BRILLIANT FILM - God Bless America (2012) Discussion

[–] Neuronhead 12 years ago

I agree, it was good. One of the ironies is that Frank, who might have been a voice of reason if anyone had understood what he was saying, felt driven to be worse than any of them. It was also some of these new values that drove Frank into the isolated lifestyle where he watched TV every night and brooded over what a horrible world it is. He probably shared similarities with some of the recent mass murderers.

I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe

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[–] max-468 12 years ago

Yeah, I hear you but in an ironic way.

I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe - Love that and sadly, so damn true.

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

"We pay a hoops star 30 million to throw a leather ball but a teacher gets paid 40K. Does that make sense? No, of course not but that's what society values; it's up side down. "

- No it is not nonsense, you don't understand how money works. People get paid based off 1 criteria.

How many people can do the job that you are trying to fill?

The more people that can do your job, the less you will get paid. That is why ditch digging (something almost all able body people can do) pays so little, and professional athletics (something that very, very, very, few people can do on level that others will be willing to pay to watch) get paid so much. Want to make more money? Get a skill that lots of people want and few have.

Also "society" doesn't pay professional athletes. Privately owned corporations pay professional athletes. Those corporations only have money because people are willing to give it to them in exchange for their product.

"So yeah, for me, this film speaks in very clear terms and if you want to over moralize it, then might do well to remember that it's a satire, with elements of cold, hard truth. Perhaps it's the latter that makes you uncomfortable. "

- No, sorry. There is no "cold hard truth" in this movie. Just the ramblings of a bitter old man. This movie has no "message" or point. Its a pathetic mix of bad stand up routine and filler. It is one of the most mean spirited, resentful films I have ever seen that tells you to be nice at the end.

That's not how movies and messages work. You can't show an hour and a half of blood drenched violence with depressing hate filled speech and then wave your hand at in the last 30 sends and say "Oh this whole movie is ironic. You should actually be nice to each other, which means my bitter hate filled film isn't being hypocritical for doing and saying EVERY SINGLE THING my own movie complained about." It's lazy pompous film making.

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[–] MadMakaveli777 12 years ago

^^^
Agreed with the above. This movie wasn't even close to brilliant.

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[–] max-468 12 years ago

No one cares what you think.

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

Ah the mark of a true troll.

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[–] max-468 12 years ago

Oh come on now, you can do better than that. Make your points. I promise I'll respond. Really I will. Honestly. No kiddin'. Yep. Yes sir'e Bob. I will I say, I will...

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

"No one cares what you think. "

People care about his opinion as much as they care about yours.

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[–] max-468 12 years ago

I've read some moronic, uninformed tripe in my life, but your diatribe takes the cake. As you're unable to discern from the litteral to the implied, let me lay it out for you; When I wrote we, I was implying society at large. Comprende? Yes? No? Then no it is.

There are no cold hard truths in this movie? Huh? I'll have 3 of what you're on and the truth be damned; idiot.

Mean spirited? Wait, I need to catch my breath. Okay, here we go, tosser;

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I applaud you for introducing mirth and merriment into an otherwise busy day, filled with ameba minded individuals that swim their lives away through a cloud of inanity; you know, your crowd.

But this was my favorite, "That's not how movies and messages work." Seriously? I know that everyone, including you, are entitled to an opinion, even if you're wrong, but dude, wake up, smell the reality that's all around you. Humanity, by and large, sucks bollakoes. It's not that I believe we're born that way, but society, (yep, there's that generalization again, can you dig it?) infects us all so that the majority of us make the journey from innocent to iniquitous over the course of our lifespan. Some faster than others.

In any event, I'm sure you'll tippy-tappy your digits across the keyboard in some inane response; have at it. I'm done with this thread and, more importantly, done with you.

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

Seeing as there was no content in your actual post I will assume you have nothing to really say and are admitting defeat. Thank you.

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[–] max-468 12 years ago

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It's okay, I know you're all too familiar with being thrashed.

And yeah, that's game, set and match.

Okay, now I'm really done with you.

No competition.

Sad, very sad.

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

So you still don't have anything to say?

2 posts and nothing said. Impressive. I still win though. Let me know when you are ready to make a point.

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[–] max-468 12 years ago

And yes, ladies and gentlemen, another keyboard warrior; brilliant. As you continue to simply ignore the body of my initial response to you, you know, the meat of it all, all I can deduce is that you're about 15 and can't fathom how to respond.

No worries.

At least try, ol' bean, yes? No? Once you've attempted thus and, hopefully, made some in response, we can continue to joust. 'Til then, time for pint. No, not you, laddie. This is for grownups and do try to understand that not everything is said directly, but sometimes as a generalization with view to the larger societal issues of it all. As it were. If you get me drift, gov?

Silly boy.

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

Wow. Still refusing to make an actual point. This is amazing. How long will he go folks?

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[–] max-468 12 years ago

You do realize, right, that this could go back and forth across the Pond for ever?

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

"You do realize, right, that this could go back and forth across the Pond for ever? "

- At least until you make a point. Then we can actually have a conversation.

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[–] max-468 12 years ago

Already made several, but you continue to ignore them so...yawn.................... . . .. ...

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

They have all been childish insults and "bwahahaha".

Not any real points. Keep trying buddy.

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[–] max-468 12 years ago

Yawn...

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

Snore...

See, I can do it too

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[–] max-468 12 years ago

The yawn is a short form metaphor for me being bored. Get it? Your silly tit-for-tat just shows your age and level of immaturity. Now, silly troll girl, we're done. There's nothing worth my time here anymore. Respond as you wish, have at it. You're just not worth it; had hoped for better.

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

Yawn...Snore...

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[–] marcheurfr 11 years ago

that was actually the most embarrassing set of posts from max I've ever seen in my life. you really should've quit when you realised you were wrong. now everyone just sees you as a child with no mature opinion

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[–] max-468 11 years ago

The issue, ol' bean, is that you're another right wing, fascist *beep* with the intellect of an amoeba. So, now that the truth is out regarding you, have at it and troll away. You and me, we're done. No time for fools.

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[–] Neuronhead 12 years ago

No it is not nonsense, you don't understand how money works. People get paid based off 1 criteria.

How many people can do the job that you are trying to fill?

Nope. It is what the market is willing to pay. Society provides the market.

This movie has no "message" or point

It does have a message but you missed it. It's not saying what you think it's saying. And it's not saying it in the way you think it's saying it. There are things going on that you are not aware of.

I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

"Nope. It is what the market is willing to pay. Society provides the market."

Uh buddy. What do you think the "market" is? It's THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY. NIce try though.

"It does have a message but you missed it. It's not saying what you think it's saying. And it's not saying it in the way you think it's saying it. There are things going on that you are not aware of."

-OK, then what? What is the big message this movie is trying to convey? That people suck and you should instead be nice? THAT'S NOT A MESSAGE.

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[–] Neuronhead 12 years ago

"Nope. It is what the market is willing to pay. Society provides the market."

Uh buddy. What do you think the "market" is? It's THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY. NIce try though.

Lol. "Society" (what I called it) is the same as saying "THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY" (what you said). So " NIce try though" is kind of funny seeing as you just repeated exactly what I said and acted like you scored a point against me. Nice try to you, sir!

No I think the message is more about what the effects of the volume of reality tv, shock jocks, and the lowering of standards will have on society. In the end Frank and Roxy were corrupted by it as well, even worse than the people they hated.

I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

"So " NIce try though" is kind of funny seeing as you just repeated exactly what I said and acted like you scored a point against me. Nice try to you, sir! "

- You are the one that first told me I was wrong buddy. And I quote

"Nope. It is what the market is willing to pay. Society provides the market."

-You were the one that drew the distinction between society and market, not me. Society cannot be cannot "provide markets" and be the market at the same time.

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[–] Neuronhead 12 years ago

- You are the one that first told me I was wrong buddy. And I quote

"Nope. It is what the market is willing to pay. Society provides the market."

statement 1 (incorrect): Rage2Wrath: People get paid based off 1 criteria. How many people can do the job that you are trying to fill?

statement 2 (correct): Neuronhead: Nope. It is what the market is willing to pay. Society provides the market.

statement 3 (supports statement 2): Rage2Wrath: Uh buddy. What do you think the "market" is? It's THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY. NIce try though.

So yeah, when I told you you were wrong it was before you changed your story. Try not to twist things around like that. They're not as difficult to unravel as you think, and they just expose you as dishonest. No win for you.

Just so we're clear on why statement 1 is wrong, a hypothetical example: I have a vacant position in my business that I am willing to pay $5 an hour for. Not many people can do but it's just a luxury and my business can do without it. Someone offers to do it for $10 an hour, but I say, no, it's not worth that much to my business. Voila, your "1 criteria[sic]" fails to produce the same large income as, say, the top basketball players.

Society cannot be cannot "provide markets" and be the market at the same time.

Society (a body of individuals living as members of a community) has a market (the trading or selling opportunities provided by a particular group of people) component, and non-market components. So saying that society provides the market is quite accurate.

I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

"So yeah, when I told you you were wrong it was before you changed your story. "

- Um, I didn't change my story about anything. Sorry, I know that kinda derails your point.

" Not many people can do but it's just a luxury and my business can do without it."

Lets zoom in on that quote

"Not many people can do"

-Hmmm. That's almost like the number of people that that can do the job is the issue.

I don't know what your point is. I could need a computer programer but only be willing to play $5 an hour, know why I won't get one? Because if you can program, you can get paid more than $5 an hour. Why? Because there is not ENOUGH PEOPLE capable of programing in order to drive the cost of the labor down to $5 an hour.

If the average programer makes $50 an hour today, if you were able to multiply the AMOUNT OF PEOPLE capable of doing the the job of programing by 10 times, tomorrow programmers would make FAR LESS. Why? Because there are MORE PEOPLE able to program which means employers don't have to be as picky.

That is your economics 101 lesson for ya. I will have to charge you for anything more.

" So saying that society provides the market is quite accurate."

- No, sorry again. Society is still the "market". When cellphone companies talk about the "market" for cell phones, who are they talking about? THE PEOPLE that buy cellphones. The individuals that make up "society" are the same thing as the "market".

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[–] Neuronhead 12 years ago

Rage2wrath: Society cannot be cannot "provide markets" and be the market at the same time.

Rage2wrath: Society is still the "market"

So which one is the lie? Either way, you lose.

I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe

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[–] thebe123-484-488327 10 years ago

Wow. You are sufficiently brainwashed by advertisements, media, and propaganda.

People of this country (USA) are mostly in a frickin coma.

Here it is December so let me be the first to wish you a Merry consumer/retail season.

The movie was not real deep. It was a dark comedy and satire looking at crap that is spewed out to the public via media and just how rude and self centered so many Americans are.

It pointed out what some people see as the obvious and it was a release to watch and be entertained by this make believe movie.

... and it was effective ... or you wouldn't be here all heated up bitching about it.

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[–] Grantmac18 12 years ago

Ugh we get it you didn't "get" the movie, your nonsensical ramblings don't add value to your argument.

Firstly, people are paid based off the implied value of their specific output or contribution; secondly, you are wrong, society pays for everything?that is the basic function of consumerism.

Thirdly, this is a work of satire, as such it is a gross exaggeration. This concept seems to be the most difficult for you to comprehend, I shudder to think what your reaction would be to Johnathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal". To put it simply, you will not understand the mediocrity that passes off as substantive and for this reason Frank likely would have killed you; regardless of your delicate sensibilities.

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

"Ugh we get it you didn't "get" the movie, your nonsensical ramblings don't add value to your argument. "

- Blah blah blah

"Firstly, people are paid based off the implied value of their specific output or contribution"

- And where does that VALUE come from? It comes from a resource's supply vs demand. The greater the SUPPLY of people that can do the job that an employer is looking to fill, the lower the DEMAND will be to fill that position, therefore lowering the value of the resource.

"Thirdly, this is a work of satire, as such it is a gross exaggeration."

- The only possible way this movie is a satire is if it is making fun of people that want to commit violence and horrible things against the victims in this movie.

If there is is a person that honestly thinks that murdering a 16 year old girl on Super Sweet 16 is a good idea, then yes, this movie satire people of that mindset.

Do you think that is what this movie is satirizing?

"I shudder to think what your reaction would be to Johnathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal""

- A modest proposal was a reply to egalitarian Europeans trying to "solve" the homeless problem. It was a response to real and prevalent thought at the time.

What is this movie a response to?

" To put it simply, you will not understand the mediocrity that passes off as substantive and for this reason Frank likely would have killed you;"

- I understand someone trying to sound smarter than they are.

Mediocrity that passes off as substantive? What are you talking about? What mediocrity was this movie lampooning? American Idol? There is nothing inspired or new in this movie.

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[–] Grantmac18 12 years ago

No, the value comes from external forces that are a great deal more complex than your elementary understanding of the most basic economic principle. By your logic the scarcity of a skill would denote its value, with the rarest being of the greatest value; which it simply doesn't, as we would surely witness scientists as the wealthiest individuals in the world, which we don't. But this is entirely off topic.

As for your second statement again you are wrong, though I am glad you at the very least googled "A Modest Proposal". However, it would have served you better to have actually read it; Swift proposes eating newborn Irish babies as a solution to famine and poverty. As you can see (well maybe not you, but others can see) it is a work of satire.

Satire: the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose people's stupidity or vice's, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.

I took the liberty of defining satire for your benefit, it is quite clear that it is yet another concept that you simply do not understand. Secondly, satire is a noun and cannot be used as an adjective which you did when you slaughtered the English language. As for my last point, I'll assume again it escaped your comprehension. Coincidentally, you are quite similar to Frank's neighbor, which is highly entertaining for myself and most others in this thread.

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

" as we would surely witness scientists as the wealthiest individuals in the world, which we don't. But this is entirely off topic."

- Your lack of understanding in economics in surprising. The richest people in the world, for the most part, are people that start billion dollar business.

There are far more people in the world capable of being a scientists than people capable of starting billion dollar businesses.

"Swift proposes eating newborn Irish babies as a solution to famine and poverty. As you can see (well maybe not you, but others can see) it is a work of satire."

- And again you embarrass yourself. 1st I was in high school once too, so I am familiar with the work outside of Google and anybody who graduated 11th grade is not impressed by your reference to it, 2nd, Swift was SATIRIZING the egalitarian Europeans by suggesting they eat the poor, which is exactly what I said.

I can always tell when someone has poor reading comprehension when they try to "correct" me by just repeating what I said in a different way.

"Coincidentally, you are quite similar to Frank's neighbor, which is highly entertaining for myself and most others in this thread. "

- Yeah, I am just like that guy. I park my car in front of your house and having a crying baby that annoys.

Really clever reference there.

Probably would have made slightly more sense if you compared me to his coworker, but that would still be pretty stupid.

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[–] Grantmac18 12 years ago

As already mentioned your lack of economic understanding is obvious, your absurd theory makes far too many assumptions that don't bear discussion.

But I am happy you are familiar with Swift and perhaps now the complexity of satire has been lifted. Barring a mental illness I cannot seem to grasp why you fail to understand ANY subtleties this movie presents. It's surely nothing particular deep and complex which makes it all the more puzzling.

I can see that you simply can't be reasoned with, stupidity has it's own faults. But an individual who is also infantile, self-obsessed, and all together lacking socialization skills is already poorly received.

Perhaps I can look forward to your fatuous "I just didn't get it" posts on various other movie threads. Then again, Transformers is always an option, there are plenty of shiny colors.

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[–] marcheurfr 11 years ago

^^ Agree with this wholeheartedly, the movie was a sham

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[–] dabooneman81 12 years ago

I think it's a brilliant film too..It put a spotlight on society..and all the things goin on today's world and media..Frank had great points and ideas..He just went about it the wrong way.. Roxy was along for the ride but she was smart and intelligent and understood Frank...These characters were funny,tempermental,sad,tragic,witty,smart and somewhat crazy in a crazy world..lol..ive seen the film 7times now..Best film i seen in 2012..It reminded me of Natural Born Killers wit a lil bit of Falling Down thrown in..Our Society in this crazy world can breed violence.There are many Frank's and Roxy's amongst us..And can be triggered at anytime..We gotta change

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[–] Neuronhead 12 years ago

There are many Frank's and Roxy's amongst us..And can be triggered at anytime..We gotta change

Great summary of the of the main theme, imo.

I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

Please.

Will somebody please tell me when we had a "nice society" and when did the media and reality TV ruin it?

Until you can say that, no, there is no message in this movie, because people have never been "nice".

There was never point at which society was good for the media to have corrupted it.

This movie is just the ramblings of a bitter old man that appeals to people's pie-in-the-sky view of the past. We are supposed to watch the film and long for the "good-ole-days" back in 19xx? He is getting old and doesn't like change so he made a movie about how people used to be good but now they suck.

If this movie was really trying to make message about violence and mean-spiritedness, then why does the main characters kill people that the writer and the audience don't like? It becomes an exploitative movie at that point.

You think the Westboro Baptist Church people are horrible (the God hates f@gs people in this film)? So the movie shows the main characters killing those people.

These are real questions I would like explained to me by someone who likes this movie. How are we supposed to feel about that in this movie? Are we supposed to enjoy watching those people get killed? Is it supposed to be fun to watch them die?

If yes, then how can this movie possibly try to make the point that people watch too much violent and mean content? How is that anything other than violent and mean?

If no, what makes you say that? What point in this movie do you think was trying to make the audience feel bad for enjoying the death of those people?

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[–] dabooneman81 12 years ago

Rage:I think youre putting too much thought in this film..Im one that likes it..Frank made good points..him and Roxy went about changing them in the wrong way..To answer some of your questions..Society hasnt always been nice..but it has been better..Too much crap on tv,on radio,people famous for all the wrong reasons.not because of actual talent.Shock jock..tabloid.. Shows encouraging it and laughing at the sametime..But its entertainment right?? The point of the movie wasnt just about violence. But violence bein used as a tool by two characters. Who were"in the moment" and random at times.Amimals were wiping animals out..Good people can turn bad.People can snap...themes along that sort.. But if you didnt like the movie..i can understand that ...to each his own

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[–] Neuronhead 12 years ago

Until you can say that, no, there is no message in this movie, because people have never been "nice".

Lol. So there is no message because you don't agree with the message? How can you disagree with the message if there is no message? I think your argument just cancelled itself out.

You're also getting confused into thinking that the main character in the movie is the guy who made the movie. He is a character in the movie, not the guy who made the movie.

I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe

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[–] Rage2Wrath 12 years ago

"Lol. So there is no message because you don't agree with the message? How can you disagree with the message if there is no message? I think your argument just cancelled itself out. "

- LOL. HAHAHAHA. Look I can be patronizing too. Aren't you impressed?

Answer my questions then. When did we have this good society that tv and the media corrupted? Just give me a time frame. 1950s? 1980s? 1870s? When? When were people nice to each other didn't enjoy violence?

If I am wrong, just tell me when this happened. And how were we, the audience, supposed to feel during the murder scenes? Were we supposed to enjoy those people's deaths?

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[–] ackleholic 12 years ago

Hear hear!

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[–] dbb79 11 years ago

There's so much wrong in that OP, that I have to say your understanding of the world is beyond retarded.

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[–] max-468 11 years ago

One can only assume from your post that you're another believer in the Invisible Sky Monkey; yawn.

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[–] dbb79 11 years ago

lol what?

As an atheist I don't believe in "Invisible Sky Monkeys". You will just have to realize how ignorant your OP is.

One example:

"We pay a hoops star 30 million to throw a leather ball but a teacher gets paid 40K."

There is no "we". There is only a free market. If you have a talent that is very rare, you get to earn more. That is how a market works.

Do you reject the market? Then you are a commie and more retarded than I thought.

Then you mention teachers, who according to you, do not earn enough. First of all, public schools in the US are a disaster, and it's not because the teachers do not earn enough. Many earn over $100K /y. The education system in the US sucks because it's controlled by government bureaucrats and labor unions, who generally only care about their paychecks instead of the children they're supposed to educate.

This is just one example, but I could go on.

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[–] SteveResin 10 years ago

Yeah, excellent movie, agreed.
I just wanna know htf they didn't get a lawsuit on their asses for that Woody Allen rant 😂

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[–] max-468 10 years ago

Yeah, true, but I don't believe it fell into the realm of 'slander' because it's basically common knowledge.

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