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The glaring problems with this movie


I see a lot of political conversation about this, but I really didn't care very much about that while watching this movie.

I did find it very obnoxious and boring, and I see others expressing the same thing, but without much reason why. I think the reasons for this reception stem from the biggest issues with the movie:

1. Absolutely no character arc. Frank and Roxy do not develop for the entire film. They are exactly the same at the beginning as they are at the end, and this just makes them boring, flat, uninteresting characters. I say boring mostly because this flatness of character makes their every action predictable, and it sucks out any potential tension from the situations they are in. The standoff with the wounded political commentator? No tension. We know they're just going to shoot him, and we don't really care if the protagonists get shot either. The "climax" in the TV studio? Same situation.

This also makes them incredibly tedious. Their opinions do not change. The beginning monologue from Frank tells you everything you need to know about his mindset and outlook, which is great. The problem is the *same message* is repeated endlessly throughout the film to the point where you just want to roll your eyes at the same old sermon coming out of their mouths right up to the end.

2. Sloppy and unsuitable writing. Again, this is in relation to the characters, particularly Roxy. She isn't a believable teenager by any stretch of the imagination (ironically, I thought Juno had much more believable dialogue for a teenage girl). "Musically, I'm all about Alice Cooper" is something no teenage girl past the year 2000 has ever said, and that's the problem here. You constantly hear the voice of the 50-year-old writer (exacerbated by her continual references to 80s culture) coming out of the mouth of this teenage girl, and surprise, her delivery is terrible. I don't think this was her fault, she was just given lines that no teenager would be able to say convincingly.

3. General incoherence, inconsistencies, etc. Frank doesn't like inconsiderate people. That's ostensibly his thing, and generally we can all relate to that. Unfortunately, this keeps getting muddled sometimes in the movie with inconsistent writing, and his character stops making sense for the duration of brief scenes. I'll put the baby-killing fantasy aside, since I'm sure people will debate that it was not something he'd really do. There's another scene where, out of nowhere, he says that he would like to kill people who use the word "actually" a lot. That's not rude, it's just a habit of speech he doesn't like for whatever reason. Alright, what? Now you just want to kill anyone? People who high-five? What? It starts to go off the rails. These people are suddenly just as intolerant as the people they're on a moral crusade to kill. Once again you can hear the voice of the cranky old writer coming through.

This is also one of the parts where the movie can exude this weird arrogance. This sort of "If you don't live your life up to these very specific and enumerated standards, you are low-life scum." Understandably it can make people annoyed.

There's a lot more, but I guess I'll stop. Half this script feels like it was cobbled together from a stand-up act. It would be much better suited for that. Instead it's being uncomfortably recited by these improbably characters.

If you like it, cool. I guess I'm just trying to lay out why some people don't like it.




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Agree with you so much on this. I loved his other movies Sleeping Dogs Lie and World's Greatest Dad. Great character arcs and believable characters. This was funny for maybe about ten minutes and then it wouldn't end. The thing with his daughter bothered me also. It just wasn't convincing that he and his ex-wife would have a daughter like that. And really was this a world where no decent programming at all, except for one documentary existed? Idiocracy (though it has problems all its own) did a much better job of approaching the subject of glorification of stupidity.

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Seriously? There are kids like that everywhere these days. Even if the parents don't raise them that way, they get it from kids at school or from TV.

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Well, I'm a parent and don't have those problems. School and TV is not excuse enough for bad behavior in kids. And you seriously believe kids are so much worse than they were when you were a kid?

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Absolutely because we live in a nation where ignorance and material possession thrives through our community. Modern American kids are spoiled, this is greatly because we have the luxury to accommodate such a life style.

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It's your choice what you expose your children to. Environment isn't up to your standards? Change it or don't have kids.

When the door goes down blow the bulbs.

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Just because you've never noticed the ignorance and pride over material possessions, doesn't mean it wasn't there.

We've met before, haven't we?

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Just because your kids aren't like that doesn't mean they don't exist.

Yes, kids are much worse than when I was a kid. Adults, too.

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Stop being stupid, the poster said that they do exist but you can't blame it on tv and not the parents.

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They most certainly are. My mum's working at a high school and even in the 15 years she's done so, she's seen a very distinct pattern - people are more rude, more selfish and care less about both others and their own possessions.

15 years ago my high school could gather ONE box of clothes/forgotten items in a year. Now they gather this in a month - all of it expensive designer brands that nobody apparently cares about.

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I have to agree with everything you said here. Interesting premise for a dark satire; poor realization.

"Live on, love all, and let live" - River Phoenix.

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Man, you'd think you people had never seen a Bobcat directed movie before. He doesn't give a sh*t what you think and he made this movie partially to see if he could get away with it and partially because he wanted to. He's not trying to make a mainstream, act structured, "acceptable" movie. He made it to give us a fun revenge fantasy for all the bullsh*t that is wrong with the world.

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That's fine. He should absolutely make what he wants to make. All I'm doing is articulating some of the reasons why some people didn't enjoy it.

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I've only seen it once and LOVED it. The only issue for me might of been that the police never caught on to them, especially with the video footage from the theatre. However, the time period may have been only a few days and I don't think this film was made to be taken serious in that manner. When and if you watch a show like Southpark, do you break it down? Not really, you just laugh and relate to the jokes, sometimes witty ones. I think that's all this film really is. I enjoyed it and agreed with many of the ideas stated, not the overall innocent killings, but I guess it's just a movie :)

P.S. I've worked as a camp counselor and I've come across plenty of teen and pre-teen girls who aren't 'teeny boppers' and spoiled. Plenty of them liked classic rock or metal or grunge or whatever wasn't playing on the radio. I don't think any of them where blood thirsty though hahaha

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Actually Bobcat is very sensitive and does care what others think of him. If you have seen how he acted when Howard stern insulted him, you would know this.

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"2. Sloppy and unsuitable writing. Again, this is in relation to the characters, particularly Roxy. She isn't a believable teenager by any stretch of the imagination (ironically, I thought Juno had much more believable dialogue for a teenage girl). "Musically, I'm all about Alice Cooper" is something no teenage girl past the year 2000 has ever said, and that's the problem here. You constantly hear the voice of the 50-year-old writer (exacerbated by her continual references to 80s culture) coming out of the mouth of this teenage girl, and surprise, her delivery is terrible. I don't think this was her fault, she was just given lines that no teenager would be able to say convincingly. "


"Musically, I'm all about Alice Cooper" is something no teenage girl past the year 2000 has ever said, and that's the problem here."


"...no teenage girl past the year 2000 has ever said..."

...are you saying teenage girls can't be into alice cooper...??

may we instead talk about YOUR glaring problems?

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Sounds like you have pretty narrow exeprience of young people.

The Alice Cooper fanship was a trait the girl had which gave her character.

She was never supposed to be normal. And there's not actually anything infeasible about Alice Cooper fandom in a modern teenager.

I actually feel sorry for anybody whose experience of other youths renders them incapable of believing that there could be one out there who is well-rounded enough to appreciate Alice Cooper.

-Iain

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I don't think he is talking about liking Alice Cooper as much as the way she says it.

I was really disappointed in this movie. What the OP says is true and it goes beyond just those 3 points. The girl is so damn annoying that I was hoping Frank would just shoot her after 5 minutes of her acting like a typical spoiled teen with a streak of psychopathic behavior. Her acting was terrible and the best part of the movie was when Frank left her. It also seems that law enforcement is so inept that even after they have her face on camera that don't seem to link her to the rampage when she returns to her family.

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Totally agree with the OP, it become a self parody towards the end.

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Roxy reminded me of Ellen Page in "Super", I wanted her dead after 5 minutes as well.

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