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It was decent but so dark! I know it's a ghost/scary show but sometimes it's not very realistic when no one turns on lights. lol. I get that it's for atmosphere & possibly for this ep. it could have been due to passed due bills so the power was off (they were using candles)? Sometimes, it's just hard to see!
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I wondered about the candles at dinner & such. Then I remembered the lady of the house was hiding the bills, so it could be that they were shut off. They did not go into detail.
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Yeah I wondered about the lack of lighting as well. Your house is haunted and you don't turn on any lights? Yeah that makes sense lol. The episode wasn't very good. The second one was much better.
shareRegarding the doctor, did anyone else think it was a bit odd that there was no time-line mentioned? The reason I ask is that this doctor that did illegal abortions could have existed anytime before Roe v Wade, unless it was a late term one.
Ok, no one has to agree with this. However, I think it is interesting that they are doing an episode about a doctor that use to do abortions at the same time that all this is going on about defunding Planned Parenthood. Now, about this Phoenician God, which also was a Hebrew one as well, or demon, whatever. I think it is just convenient timing that they are doing this particular one when all these things are going on, regardless of how you feel or think on this issue, you have to admit it is a bit "coincidental."
Oh, and the man of the house was in politics and a Republican. And, an officer no less, meaning that he did not work for a living. If you were never in the Army, you will not get that part.
My husband and I thought the same thing. And then you add in the bleeding walls and exorcists. The exorcist priests who looked oddly familiar - like characters in a movie about.... an Exorcist (older man, young man). And bleeding walls? A la Amityville.
So add, the PP nonsense and people who have seen too many movies and you get this BS episode.
Seem Bob wrote a book about his so called paranormal experiences at the house. The previous residents have disputed his claims.
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/south/2014/10/26/Former-residents-of-Brentwood-demon-house-dispute-book-s-claims/stories/201410210213
I wouldn't be surprised if this story was made up from. Listening to them you got the feeling they were fabricating this stuff.
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This episode was just...meh.
I liked the setting and the storyline though. Very dark and horrific, but other than that, no, didn't like the overall episode. So far, the second episode is still the best...hence, so far.
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I found it upsetting that they left out Ichabod Crane, although it's apparent the writers have been watching Sleepy Hollow the past two years.
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Yep the Molech episode was, this viewer quite agrees, far too dark - production wise.
Albeit, the narrators were very credible/believable, and what's more - very middle class - so none of the usual "they were so poor and must've needed the money..." cynicism could apply here.
OTOH, there was something about this episode that I too found a little meh. Despite the undoubted credibility of those narrating I'd also be surprised if any of us would rate this one as their favourite episode. Can't quite put my finger on the reason why I didn't find it that interesting. 5/10 methinks, & time for another hmmmm
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Let's see of this helps. What I found almost laughable is like I said earlier in this post. It all seemed a bit "convenient" given that he was a Republican, which now means that there are now a bunch of people in the R party, I call them the Pod People, that believe that they have higher morals than most people, are vehemently against what I can only guess the "feeling" of the show which was the idea of abortions. Now, you can be pro life and I really do not care if you are. However, what they failed to mention is that there was a time in the US where women had very few rights, the Compstock laws were in effect and women would not even talk to their doctors about forms of contraception of any kind.
Another thing is that it sounded like a bunch of Catholic, right wing *beep* to me. If this "god" Molech was conjured, then I am sure that more what have happened than just some haunting of a house. I think Bob was an opportunist who wrote a book using something that Carl Rove encouraged, using right wing outrage points so that he could make money that way instead of doing his job. I am not saying that nothing happened at the house, but didn't his wife say that something smelled like "birthing fluids?" Just what the hell is that suppose to mean? Is there a distinct smell that she knows about but is lost on the rest of us who have had children? Birthing fluids, really? These people did not only drink the Kool-Aide, they drank the entire punch bowl.
There was a fake and phoniness about it that screams personal agenda.
I first heard Bob's story some time back when he was chatting up George Norry on Coast 2 Coast. I liked enough of his tale for me to get interested in it and do the usual Google-digging. I wasn't interested in it enough to shell out the money he wants for his book. But I also caught the episode of Discovery's Exorcist Files that also related his tale.
I don't know , he's a politician. Which in my cynical and jaded brain translates into something like "professional bull$hit artist". Some of the things in his story are very similar to the Amityville Horror, (both the book & movie) as well as the Haunting in Connecticut and the Smurl Haunting case. Now the true believers are going to say that such similarities are the result of shared experiences of the same or similar phenomena, while the skeptics are going to say they are just robbing from each other to make a good money spinning story. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle but never the twain shall meet.
Considering though that the next case-episode is the "true" Conjuring case, (Sorry, but I have major problems with the Warrens and the validity of their numerous claims-especially after they've been publicly called out on some of their tomfoolery), I can't help but wonder if SyFy is worried about the shows ratings. When shows start bringing out the "big guns", (Like in the last season of Quantum Leap when when Sam was leaping into everyone but Christ Himself.), it means viewership is down...
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Interesting that there was no mention of their other son, Charles, who called the cops and had Bob arrested for beating the hell out of Bobby Jr. for using his bathroom.
Ole Bob blamed it on Bobby Jr. being "bi polar." And that Bob was just using "self defense."
The abortion angle totally makes sense now that I read Bob was/is a huge supporter of Rick "I think about nothing but abortions and gay sex" Santorum.
I'm still wondering about this episode. It's been lingering on my mind, that there was just something about it, that wasn't adding up for me; that I wasn't happy about; and I couldn't put my finger on it, last time I was on this thread...
So, here's what I did. I've since sought out the Exorcist Files (an excellent documentary if you've not seen it already), to compare/contrast its portrayal of what should have been approximately the same retold events... against The Molech episode, and wow, I mean WOW - what AN EDITING JOB!!!
There were so many things which Mr. Cranmer had recounted on The Exorcist Files which were edited out completely from the PW Molech episode. For instance an exorcist named Adam Blai visited the house multiple times, along with others from the church. Mr. Blai experienced several paranormal occurrences while working on this case, including his being scratched on the head by the usual 3 lined mark, yet it lasted barely over a minute before the scratch (as it was alleged) totally disappeared. In T.E.F., it was also revealed that Mr. Blai was present when they smashed through a sealed cavity room (ie., sealed for around a 100 years) in Mr. Cranmer's house, and in there found their son Bobby's leggo pieces etc., which made no sense whatsoever at the time, as well as a crumpled drawing of a house and family on it on one side and demon on the other. Yet Mr. Blai is nowhere to be seen in PW's episode.
I have to stress this now - I'm not saying that there are two completely different stories; albeit some details appear a little mixed up. The problem with The Molech is moreover that Paranormal Witness did, what can only be described as "a hatchet job" of scything out so many arguably relevant details in The Molech episode; details which were both extremely interesting and most unusual; that it arguably made no sense at all, that they were edited out in such a manner.
And now, I must hold my hands up as regards an unrelated point, insofar as I, admittedly, would have great difficulty in telling fact from fiction (which is usually very easy for me), when someone of Mr. Cranmer's training comes to recant events, as he believed them to be. There were no tells whatsoever of dishonesty in anything Mr. Cranmer said. More to the point, and with absolutely no disrespect to any other contributor to this show, he was one of the most honest looking people who ever appeared on 4 seasons of this show! So one can't find any reason from anything he said, nor the way he said it to doubt him. Any apparent inconsistencies between the two programmes (e.g. the way the light's chain was presented in each) were more likely to do with memory lapse, and how PW handled what was said in interview to them. B.U.T., having said that, I can't help thinking that such a rare someone of Mr. Cranmer's training and genius (for there is no doubt in my mind, he is an extremely intelligent man) could probably tell us that "Mars is made of green cheese" and I'm very confident that it would appear no less convincing too. He speaks so eloquently, with such professionally polished delivery, it's almost as if the cameras aren't there in front of him. I'm not calling him one of them, rather if he had to act as well as DeNiro, I just wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he was one of the few who could easily do it. And I'll say no more on that point.
My problems with this episode (assuming, that is, that there was no doctoring of any facts, at any time) were most definitely as follows: PW's hacking out so much unusual detail, and so many involved characters from the story, meant that altogether, as an episode, it fell well short of their usual brilliance. Many more credible witnesses could have testified in this episode and either weren't called, or denied PW an appearance. Still, it's really no wonder I wasn't the only one who found it to be an 'okayish' episode, when I first watched it.
In conclusion and in all fairness, I just can't understand why this episode was so brutally edited, because the Molech had all the ingredients of what should have been a first rate episode, of Paranormal Witness, but it ultimately and needlessly fell flat on its face.
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Hahaha. I literally commented this to my brother while watching it yesterday. Does this house not have lightbulbs?
shareOne of the few episodes this season I didn't care for. It reeked of anti-aboriton propaganda.
shareI know this is an older post and sorry. I did comment further down, but I so not have a lot of free time as I am caring for my sick mom who is not in remission. So, here is my thoughts.
OK, first off, I did some digging about Bob Cranmer and he went right from college to an officer which does not surprise me as his father was so he was never enlisted and God only know what he did. The awards he received were not anything exceptional and received less than most enlisted I knew when I was an enlisted woman in the Army. He may have been pretty good, it is hard to tell, and I will give him a little of the benefit of the doubt that he may have been a moderate, Eisenhower type Republican and they are pretty sharp. However, being that he was an officer and probably thought he was something special and got away with a lot, if that is indeed the case, then it could be the enlisted people, the lower enlisted people did not rush to make him look good. But, I do not know this.
I also thought it was strange that he was a Roman Catholic Republican politician and more than likely, the Church dictated his politics as well. Now, that being said, I know many Catholics and even Roman Catholics. My aunt and uncle are as well as my two cousins and I adore them all very much. However, I do not think that someone who is possibly rigid and he did seem like he was, was more uptight on what we use to call controversial issues and what has become the checklist of things you have to believe in order to be a good "Christian" and a member of today's Republican party, even though most of them despise Catholics. The episode was very weird and by that I mean that I didn't buy a part of what he was saying. I do believe that things like this can happen, that places can hold onto things long past and in part it reminded me of the Amityville case. Yes, I do believe something was there, an energy of sorts and give the past of what happened, I think some of it was there in the beginning. However, in order for some of the things that are claimed happened there, it led me to believe that it fed off the energy of the people who occupied the house, more specifically George Lutz. He is older now but he was not that old back then and his step son told his story of the very negative impact that George had on the family, of always being in control of everything and any time you have pre adolescents in the house or adolescents, there may be some kind of "poltergeist" activity. And, I think the same sort of things happened here.
What I think was this man and his family moved into a house and he found out the history of who might have lived there before. Now I said in a following post that the "doctor" that lived there was rumored to have done abortions, something that could have happened around the time of the Compstock laws to Roe v Wade and women had them done, contrary to what people may want to think. However, and I could be wrong about this, but they could have been very early, in the embryonic stage. However, this guy, Bob, led everyone to believe that they were late term ones and even back then those were very, very rare. According to him, it happened often and I am not sure if I believe that because what I would want to know is the truth about that. Women get branded while the men get nothing for an unwed pregnancy and that was and still is the way it is. I think in his mind, he created this and I think he did it for personal gain. The reason I say this is because the idea of walls bleeding seems to be a very serious and severe type of haunting like what was claimed in the Amityville case and seems to indicate the end of days *beep* type of things happening.
It is very possible that he found out a doctor who would do them in secret and he blew it all up and created the activity himself with the help of his wife. I also found it strange that they aired this show right around the time of the Planned Parenthood nonsense. Hearing babies crying? Come on and then this "demon" which if you look at the history of the definition of demon or daemon has changed meanings over time and is not the same from culture to culture. Now, the "exorcism" was a bit of a joke, I am sorry but it was. It seems like just about every other show is about exorcisms and I am not saying that some rituals cannot be done from time to time given the situation. But, this was a lot of bologna mixed it with some sort of other agenda that I can't even fathom.
So, agree or not, this is my thought on the episode. Didn't he write a book and it was disputed? So, he did profit from it monetarily so your guess is as good as mine.