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This movie isn't as bad as people would have you believe

posted 9 years ago by JoshWhoLovesMovies
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Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone(especially) both were terrific in both movies. People complain about the movie having too many villains, and yeah technically Rhino, Electro, and Goblin play apart of the movie; but the movie's primary antagonist is Electro. The whole "TASM 2 feels like more of a set up" is in reality nothing more than a brief glimpse of the Sinister Six's tools of destruction towards the end, and Rhino getting more screentime at the end.

Sony went wrong(as they did with Spider-Man 3) 1. because they interfered with the creative parts (over 20 mins of deleted scenes that didn't need to be deleted). So we barely get to see Norman Osborn, Max Dillon's personal life isn't fully shown, Harry and Peter's relationship prior to this movie was never shown(and it should have been),2. They spent way too much on advertising. The budget was well over 200 mill plus all the $ they spent on advertising promo. So obviously Sony was banking on this being a near or complete 1 bill grossing film. Somehow, Transplosions Age of Michael Bay's Bombs managed to gross it but whatever.

I'll say this, many people see Raimi's films as superior, and truthfully, they may have some better qualities than Marc Webb's movies. Personally, I like a lot of TASM qualities over Raimi's; would have like to have seen Andrew Garfield in the MCU. He nailed every quality that I love about Spider-Man in an entertaining way. Aside from Spider-Man 2, both of Webb's films feel more in vein of the comics IMO. Seeing him and RDJ's Iron Man trade lines would have been magic. For one thing, Dane Dehaan was a better Harry Osborn in almost every way.

I would have loved to seen Drew Goddard's Sinister Six movie, and I hate that we won't get to. Venom MAYBE, would have worked, with the right actor cast, and a good script to back it up. Had a Venom movie spawned multiple sequels, I would have liked to seen Cletus Kassady and Eddie Brock square off. Black Cat could have been an interesting one too. Thoughts?

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[–] Exies 9 years ago

Totally agree,

It's not a phenomenal movie but it has its merits. But I understand why people critique it so hard. It's a really beloved franchise but I thought he nailed spiderman and had a lot of emotional weight.

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[–] JoshWhoLovesMovies 9 years ago

Yeah he's the best Spider Man we've had, hopefully Tom Holland pulls it off.

[–] JoshWhoLovesMovies 9 years ago

Can pull it off.

[–] filmlife-04472 9 years ago

You know what? the standard was raised so high by latest CB movies that when people feel that there is just a litlle something slightly below that standard they hate it :D

It´s mind boggling to me...CB movies era is at it´s peak and people are still not happy...
But that´s classic right?:D

I saw all MCU movies enjoyed everyone of them but I don´t think they are such masterpieces as people make them to be too...BO numbers does not equal quality everytime...

MCU movies are decent on every level but I saw so many flaws
But people seem to enjoy the thing I criticise about them...

[–] spencermalley935 9 years ago

The whole "TASM 2 feels like more of a set up" is in reality nothing more than a brief glimpse of the Sinister Six's tools of destruction towards the end, and Rhino getting more screentime at the end.

The reason people say that is because it really feels that very little is accomplished in 2 plus hours of film.

, Dane Dehaan was a better Harry Osborn in almost every way.

He had potential, bit this series completely butchered the Osborn family.

[–] JoshWhoLovesMovies 9 years ago

I'd point to again, Sony interfering with the creative process.

[–] leyenda61 9 years ago

What if this film & Spider-Man 3 were the only Spider-Man films ever made. I wonder how our opinions would change.

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[–] JoshWhoLovesMovies 9 years ago

TASM 2 Would be the better one.

[–] JoshWhoLovesMovies 9 years ago

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[–] fridaynightdestination 9 years ago

I agree, I think it's a great movie.

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[–] JoshWhoLovesMovies 9 years ago

Indeed it is. What could've been..........

[–] anirudhshiji 9 years ago

You hate the movie. Say that. No need of explanations.

[–] hideo_sakaguchi 9 years ago

It's an extremely disappointing film and remains the worst Spider-Man film out of the five but I still like to watch it sometimes. It's a lot like the Joel Schumacher Batman films. I can stand to watch Batman Forever every now and then and get some level of enjoyment out of it (and I can watch Batman and Robin as a comedy/parody and get a lot of enjoyment out of it lol). I do think that TASM 2 is a much better film than the Schumacher Batman movies though lol.

For everyone that says "it wasn't bad enough to cancel the sequels" I just say that Spider-Man 3 wasn't bad enough to cancel Spider-Man 4 and 5 either. But that's the world we live in. Hopefully the next Spider-Man will stick around longer than Maguire and Garfield did.

[–] JoshWhoLovesMovies 9 years ago

What specifically did you dislike about TASM 2?

[–] hideo_sakaguchi 9 years ago

The same issues that have been brought up a million times. The villains are a joke (all three of them), the script was bad, Garfield came across as annoying instead of entertaining, the plane scene was pointless, no one gives two craps about the sub-plot regarding Peter's parents, the film just comes across as an advertisement for a Sinister Six film/expanded Spidey-verse instead of carrying its own weight as a stand-alone film (same exact problem Iron Man 2 had, although not to the same degree), and so on.

I mean at the end of the day it's just a legitimately bad film. That doesn't mean someone can't like it though. I enjoy a lot of movies that I know aren't exactly well-made films (1995's Mortal Kombat is one of my favorite movies!). The biggest offense is that it's the fifth-best Spidey film in a franchise that has given us five Spider-Man films. I mean I would have been there day one for The Amazing Spider-Man 3, a reunited Raimi+Maguire Spider-Man 4, or a second reboot based in the MCU. I'm happy we're getting more Spider-Man films. I just hope they are better than SM 3 and TASM 2...

I'm no more happy' that Sony is killing off the Webb/Garfield continuity than I was when they killed off the Raimi/Maguire continuity. I don't like the constant "do-overs" but if they are going to do it over (again!) I just hope that they at least do it right.

[–] JoshWhoLovesMovies 9 years ago

Got it.

[–] hideo_sakaguchi 9 years ago

I just wish Sony would stick with a Spider-Man franchise lol. I mean I thought both SM 3 and TASM 2 were disappointing and each could have been way better (given that SM 1, SM 2, and TASM 1 were all good movies) but don't think either were bad enough to stop me from seeing a sequel with the same cast and director.

It sucked knowing that I was never going to get a SM 4 with Maguire and it sucks knowing I'll never get a TASM 3 with Garfield but that's life. All we can do is hope that the next Spider-Man is awesome.

And just for the record I enjoyed TASM 2. It just happened to be my least favorite Spidey film. I liked the film enough to buy it twice (once in Blu-Ray and again on iTunes) so that has to account for something right. :)

[–] JoshWhoLovesMovies 9 years ago

Sony just needs to allow Directors, and writers to have their vision fully utilized onscreen. Unfortunately, that will never happen unless we're talking about independent movies.

Honestly, Spider-Man 3 is my least favorite because they cast a guy who looks nothing like Eddie Brock in the comics...and the dancing scene...

[–] hideo_sakaguchi 9 years ago

Arguing over which is worse, Spider-Man 3 or The Amazing Spider-Man 2, is really a waste of everyone's time. Neither film did the franchise any favors. You're essentially arguing "my film is slightly less crappy than yours" no matter which film you are rooting for LOL.

I just hope the next Spidey flick is better than those two. ;)

[–] JoshWhoLovesMovies 9 years ago

Not arguing, just expressing why I dislike Spider Man 3 more.........

[–] hideo_sakaguchi 9 years ago

Wasn't singling you out. It's just that "which is worse - SM 3 or ASM 2?" has been going on around here since this film came out.

[–] somethingtofear 9 years ago

NO. its bad. really bad... its such a narrative disaster, its actually the worst SM live action movie.

[–] GreenGoblinsOckVenom86 9 years ago

NO. its bad. really bad... its such a narrative disaster, its actually the worst SM live action movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIikqPmbgvI

Green Goblin is great! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1L4ZuaVvaw

[–] ee_dixon 9 years ago

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was worst than Spider-Man 3. Spider-Man 3 was more focused(even though that's not saying much), had better villains, better pacing, better action scenes, better musical score, it was an overall better film than TASM2 even though the movie wasn't that great either.

Spider-Man 3 may have had those stupid dance scenes but atleast Raimi didn't waste the entire middle part of the film on a sub-plot nobody gave two *beep* about and yes I'm talking about the parents sub-plot and IMO that was the biggest problem with the movie, not the movie having three villains (which actually could've worked). The movie has no primary villain, all of the villains in this movie are HORRIBLY underused, the only one who could even be considered a main villain was Harry and he was only the Green Goblin for like 2 minutes towards the very end of the film. Within the first 50 minutes of the movie, Electro was build up as if he was going to be this important villain but after Spider-Man easily defeats him in an underwhelming fight scene, he just gets tossed aside for a HUGE chunk of the movie in favor of the plot about the parents, what type of main villain is that? Why did they think that was a good idea? Electro was basically just filler until it was time for Harry to become the Green Goblin and they still managed to screw that up since they deleted all of Harry scenes as the Goblin leading up to the final battle. Atleast in Spider-Man 3, the villains were more utilized even if the way they did it was flawed.

Don't even get me started the action scenes. Out of all five Spider-Man films, this movie had the weakest action scenes I have ever seen in a Spider-Man movie. Nothing in this movie beats any of the action scenes in the Raimi films, hell the school fight with Lizard in TASM1 (as well as their final fight on top of the Oscorp building) was better than any action scene in TASM2 (and I'm not a big fan of TASM1 either). The Time Square fight ended when it was starting to get interesting, the other fight scene with Electro was slightly better but still blah, the fight scene with Goblin lasted only a minute (you basically saw the entire fight in the trailers), and don't even get me started on the Rhino scene.

TASM2 was a bigger *beep* up than Spider-Man 3 was. Spider-Man 3 got better reviews even though they were still mixed and regardless of the mixed reviews, Spider-Man 3 is still the highest grossing Spider-Man movie while TASM2 made less than TASM1 (which was also the lowest grossing Spider-Man movie before TASM2 came out) despite TASM2 having a bigger advantage in making more money than TASM1 by coming out earlier in the summer in May while TASM1 came out 2 weeks before The Dark Knight Rises in July.

Another thing, that Sinister Six movie would've been a disaster. Why would you have a Sinister Six movie without Spider-Man? What sense would that make?

[–] airfaith 9 years ago

noone complained about too many villains after the movie came out, because the villains where seriously lacking in the actual movie, it was a horrible mess of drama and romance repeated over and over again, together not together together not together oh who *beep* cares anymore xD i didnt care for gwen because he part was so forced, we knew she was gona die and most of us where happy when it came, once the real action started... the movie ended... lol

[–] ItsEddieHaskellBeyotch 9 years ago

it was a horrible mess of drama and romance repeated over and over again, together not together together not together oh who *beep* cares anymore xD

The Raimi films did the same thing.

When theres no more room in Hollywood, remakes shall walk the Earth.

[–] ee_dixon 9 years ago

Both statements are false, It took Peter two movies to even get Mary Jane and then they were FORCED broke up in the third movie because of Harry (which I would admit was poorly written and make zero sense) and they got back together at the end (even though did they even really brake up in the first place which I would again blame on poor writing).

Peter/Gwen never really got back together after she dumped him in the beginning of the movie (the together, not together stuff happened off screen between TASM1 and 2). They remained friends and when it looked like they were about to be back together, she dies.

[–] subratjain1 9 years ago

the true.. its way worse!!!!