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Can someone explain the bee significance? (obvious spoiler)


That's the only part I couldn't figure out in this film, and I've seen it twice!

Hoping some of the really smart people here can weigh-in?

Thanks!

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jeez I totally forgot about that scene. hahahhaha! There were so many parts that went nowhere, I probably just ignored it too.

They weren't stinging him, obviously. Because, you know, we're too stupid to recognize he is a replicant, so they better tell us over and over to make sure we get it.

Anyway, that part didn't go anywhere or mean anything. Just like many other parts didn't:

- why the bad guy was BLIND when he makes whole humans including eyes
- what happened with the huge room of children? oh nothing.
- why did wallace birth that replicant just to gut while dialogging?
- why was everything so huge, world breaking and important, except that it wasn't and no one really cared?

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- why the bad guy was BLIND when he makes whole humans including eyes

Why is Stephen Hawking a scientist when he so clearly has a disability? Nikola Tesla was known to be very reclusive. Did that mean he wasn't allowed to do his work because he had a disability? Toward the end of his life he refused to eat anything but fruit. Great scientists often times have the greatest idiosyncrasies.

- what happened with the huge room of children? oh nothing.

That scene was there because of the memories "K" had that were implanted by Stelline. That place was were he "hid" the horse carving. The presence of the scene was not meant to "be" something, rather a key to that memory "K" had. He found the carving of the horse that he believed meant he was the child of Rachel. That room was showing how the children were being used as slave labor. Clear enough I think.

- why did wallace birth that replicant just to gut while dialogging?

He "birthed" it with the purpose to see if she could give birth. He was having an issue with not being able to mass produce his replicants. If they could reproduce on their own, then his job was done. Being blind he had a "second sight" that meant he was able to sense in her that she was defective. He killed her because she was defective.

- why was everything so huge, world breaking and important, except that it wasn't and no one really cared?

The world the original took place in was huge. I suppose you don't remember the Tyrell pyramid? Please don't try to make sense out of something if you don't want to do the mental work.

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In a movie, it's best if things tie together somehow. That makes for a great movie. Random nothings do not. They could have gone somewhere great with his blindness, yet did very little with it. And WHY was he blind??? He MAKES PEOPLE! Come on. That's totally lazy writing. He could have had eyes AND implants that let him see via floating drones.

Huge: not the LOCATIONS, the whole plot point. They TOLD us how important it was, but never bothered SHOWING us.
Fail point. Box office is starting to show where things things add up to a bad movie. YES, it LOOKED great. No, it was not a good plot.... just passable, a short ride to nowhere, not meaning much.

AGAIN, NOT just me, look at others' reviews, and the box office.

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It seems out of order to me that anyone describe Stephen Hawking living with ALS as an ‘idiosyncrasy’. It is hardly a character quirk.

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what bee scene?? i dont even remember it

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When "K" got to Las Vegas to find Deckard, he approached the building where Deckard was and before he got to the steps he found the apiary. He slid his hand inside bringing it out with a lot of bees attached to it.

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ohhhhh damn forgot about that.

probably to show that the area is habitable and that somebody is cultivating them.

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Could have been. Not sure how habitable a dust bowl is, but it might show that Deckard was able to cultivate them in some way in that desolation. Some species are able to adapt under oppressive situations.

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Bee honey is a good protein source. Deckard needed it to survive. Without protein your body breaks down and you get anemia. But the honey was a good protein source. It's also said in biblical stories that honey is the food of the gods.

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folks,

all the answers so far boarder on speculation...

The bee-protein-Dekard theory seems weak (no offense intended).

Today, bees are a crucial part of the Eco-system mainly due to the part they play in cross-pollination. Pollination=vegetation, but the bees in the scene were in what appeared to be a very arid environment, almost Saharan. Doesn't add-up.

Also, Although replikants are "superhuman" I'm not sure they'd be designed to be completely immune to pain. Could it be the bees simply lacked the ability to sting because they too are engineered??? (anyone catch the Black Mirror episode about drone bees)

Again, I am speculating as well, but it's only because the responses so far aren't convincing enough

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this is subliminal messaging, affecting teh brain.

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Hint: An homage to the VK test on Rachel.

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Voight-Kampff test (called The Empathy test in the original Bladeruuner 1982)????

Please elaborate

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"You're watching television. Suddenly you realize there's a wasp crawling on your arm"

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Rachael: "I'd kill it!"

hmmm...Still lost.

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I think the bee scene was in the movie because either the director or writer thought it would look "cool" and "weird."

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nonsense. There's a reason for it. That's why this film is so good; it challenges you to think.

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so, what is the reason, since the film is so good. Must have a reason, yet no one has come up with it? Maybe because it has no reason in the movie? How come all these bright people can't figure it out?

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LOL!

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But why would Millburn try to treat it like a pet when it's clearly showing aggressive signs to him?

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Assuming the bees didn’t build the hives (which look manmade but you could engineer bees to do that for some bizarre reason) then it seems that Deckard must be keeping the bees and he built the hives (He used to be a carpenter, right? And he made that neat wooden toy in Witness.) The usual reason for keeping bees is to eat their honey, which is a good alternative to starving.
However, since we don’t see any plants, we don’t know how the bees could survive or make honey.
We know the bees are genetically engineered so it is possible they could survive on some other energy source (bourbon!) and even have some purpose we wouldn’t normally associate with bees.
K’s reaction to the bees was as if he had never seen bees before and was curious (possible) and maybe didn’t know what they were or that they might sting (though he might be impervious to bee stings anyway).
For me this scene was distracting- I was just thinking ‘How are those bees supposed to be able to survive?’ If they were anything like real bees they would abscond in search of somewhere better to live, probably in an offworld colony.

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Good points, but your ‘How are those bees supposed to be able to survive?’ flaws your theory somewhat. That place was like no-man's land, like a once before inhabited Outback. I like what you said about the bee's giving K a clue that someone put them there and is using them as some sort of food source. I also like the idea that he (K) may have never seen real bees before and therefore was simply mesmerized for a moment. Interesting.

I'm afraid you mixed-up your movie universes with the "neat wooden toy in Witness" comment. Deckard wasn't in Witness; that was Harrison Ford playing a different character named John Book...LOL!!!

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‘Real bees could not survive in that situation and would abscond.’ That is what I thought as I watched the movie and it distracted me.

Yes, you’ve hit the nail on the head: Harrison Ford was a carpenter in real life, then he played two different characters who were both well-chiseled policemen who wore plane-clothes. So he wood obviously know how to beehive himself.

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The poster who called that scene distracting sums up my reaction to it, too. Without a plausible and valid explanation for why it's there, I'm standing by my above statement it's only there to look "cool and weird." And at 166 minutes, that scene could have easily been omitted without detracting from the story.

I still liked the film, but it wasn't perfect.

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you don't want cool scenes in movies?

anyway, it has an aesthetic purpose at least in that it adds to the anticipation, since because we see the bees, we know someone is there cultivating them... also, it adds to the strangeness of the non-inner-city scenes... not everything in film has to be about plot... that's certainly true in this movie...

I'm not sure Lawrence of Arabia would be a better movie if we got rid of the cool looking scenes to make it shorter... to put things in perspective, it's almost an hour longer than 2049...

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I'm all for cool-looking scenes in movies...within limits. 2049 already had enough awe-dropping production design throughout, in fact, maybe a bit more than was necessary. There comes a point when the visuals can overwhelm the story, and as jaw-dropping as the visuals were in 2049, I think pulling back a little here and there would have strengthened the film's narrative, not hurt it.

And to put things in another perspective, the original Blade Runner also was filled with jaw-dropping visuals, but at 117 minutes it also knew not to over-saturate its audience with them, either.

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haha.. i guess they looked at the original blade runner and lawerence of arabia running times and decided to split the difference ;)

i get it... Still, maybe this movie will inspire directors to reach a bit more with their visuals and maybe slow down the pace of edits/cuts during some parts of their movies... but maybe, the box office results will scare filmmakers off from doing so instead...

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To wit, audiences THESE DAYS need more: more plot depth, more tight edits and cuts, more action. Older movies like Blade Runner and Lawrence of Arabia were NOT made today with Average Shot Length of 2 seconds or whatever it's devolved into. One can't simply revert BACK top long average shot lengths... smart phones and a billion channels of media see to that. Cool scenes are fine... for 2 seconds max these days. :) ...as supported by noted ticket sales.

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