Mark Wallace Was very clear
Palin constantly slipped into catatonic stupors and they were totally untreated.
shareAnd what is Mark Wallace's medical degree in?
shareThe behavior he and other campaign people witnessed was so shocking that you didn't have to be a doctor to know something was off mentally and then they had a doctor profile her at the party but that was a normal day I guess so he didn't see the behavior that got him to the BBQ and it was never treated or investigated.
shareYou state that Mark Wallace was very clear that Sarah Palin suffered catatonic stupors.
Again, And what is Mark Wallace's degree in?
When mark wallace is talking about palin catatonic stupors no one disputes even once. They all immediately beleive him. And take him at his word. That he is intelligent enough to know the symptoms of something and report it honestly. No one doubts at all. By his words schmidt calls mccain and mccain believes schmidt and then a doctor is hired to observe her at the arizona bbq. The doctor says not half bad but only wallace was a witness to the worst of the stupors so they just are comforted by the doctor saying not half bad and the catatonic stupors are not mentioned again but palin's behavior is not really any better like when she refuses to meet with pro choicers or stem cell ad or talks about a VP campaign and demands a concession speech.
shareNiv-1 states; "When mark wallace is talking about palin catatonic stupors no one disputes even once. He is talking on the phone, to one person.They all immediately beleive him."They all"? He's talking on the phone, to one person. And take him at his word. That he is intelligent enough to know the symptoms of something and report it honestly.Had Schmidt (the person Wallace was talking to) believed that lawyer Wallace was capable of diagnosing Sarah Palin as mentally ill, Schmidt would have had Palin undergo complete psychiatric evaluation, for the protection of the campaign.
By his words schmidt calls mccain and mccain believes schmidt and then a doctor is hired to observe her at the arizona bbq.No doctor was ever hired to profile Sarah Palin for mental illness Niv-1, no matter how many times you say it. The doctor says not half bad EXACTLY Niv-1! The neighbor said Palin was fine considering what she'd been thru!
but only wallace was a witness to the worst of the stupors What stupors Niv-1? You never cite where Palin is incapacitated, unable to feed herself, or go to the bathroom. What stupors Niv-1?
so they just are comforted by the doctor saying not half bad and the catatonic stupors are not mentioned again but palin's behavior is not really any better like when she refuses to meet with pro choicers or stem cell ad or talks about a VP campaign and demands a concession speech." None of which is indicative of mental illness Niv-1, only of Palin reneging on her campaign promises and her word. And her betrayal of John McCain.
No one knows why you are obsessed with insisting Sarah Palin is mentally ill Niv-1. You lie, you exaggerate, you fabricate. Personally, based on the fact that your IMDb activity is hundreds of postings about Sarah Palin being mentally ill makes me think that it is you Niv-1 that needs "to be profiled for mental illness".
The movie is very clear. Schmidt, the wallaces and Rick Davis all get info or witness from palin in person that she is totally mentally off! Nicolle Wallace can't even vote for McCain because of what she saw and mark Wallace talks about palin having catatonic stupors Which both davis and Schmidt believe. Schmidt confronts Palin over her diet and abandons trying to teach her anything because she can't learn. She says learning is flipping awesome but can't retain any info. Then there is the whole thing about palin wanting to give a concession speech for the vp campaign which is treated as really the culmination and peak of her insanity!
share"The movie is very clear. Schmidt, the wallaces and Rick Davis all get info or witness from palin in person that she is totally mentally off!" Or, as was said Niv-1, the concern was that she was exhausted, and in over her head. "We threw her in the deep end"- John McCain.
"Nicolle Wallace can't even vote for McCain because of what she saw" Tell us Niv-1, exactly what was the reason Wallace gave for not voting for McCain&Palin? Did she really say it was because Palin was "mentally off" as you obsess? Or was it because of Palin's political ignorance, unprofessional behavior and her ultimate betrayal of John McCain? Actually, in the movie Niv, she didn't give a reason.
"and mark Wallace (a lawyer) talks about palin having catatonic stupors Which both davis and Schmidt believe." Really? They really believed that Sarah Palin was having catatonic stupors, was incapacitated, unable to speak or eat, and they didn't have her committed for psychiatric evaluation but instead took her to a BBQ in Arizona? How irresponsible of them!
"and then Schmidt confronts Palin over her diet and abandons trying to teach her anything because she can't learn." In the movie Schmidt never said Palin couldn't learn. The consensus was that she does better with memorization, which is true. "She says learning is flipping awesome but can't retain any info." And yet she does so well in debate and speeches Niv-1, for a person who is as mentally ill and "catatonic", as you claim she is.
"Then there is the whole thing about palin wanting to give a concession speech for the vp campaign which is treated as really the culmination and peak of her insanity!" See, you call Palin wanting to give a concession speech insanity Niv-1 because you have over 100 posts obsessing about Sarah Palin being insane. However others, including the people who were there and witnessed Palin's repeated attempts to deliver a concession speech, saw it as evidence of Palin's out-of-control need to be in the spotlight, to be the center of attention. Which is why the '08 campaign has become sarcastically known as "The 2008 Sarah Palin Vice Presidential Campaign."
Clearly Niv-1 after you've made over 100 posts about Sarah Palin being insane and you are still here ranting about catatonic stupors, you are desperate to convince somebody, anybody, that Sarah Palin is mentally unstable and a danger to her children, but yet you never cite evidence in the film of her being catatonic, or "a danger to her children”, or "crying and shaking saying "where is my baby" over and over again.”, or that ”they had doctors trying to do visual diagnosis of insanity” on her, or ”McCain saying she is such a stupid woman". Or any of the other ridiculous fabrications you rant. But you just keep ranting Niv-1 about catatonic stupors and Sarah Palin being insane, and we'll just keep asking you to provide proof, or cite the scene, etc...which of course you never do.
It is also The Hollywood Reporter and New York Magazine and other sources. The movie is very obvious and heavy handed about its agenda to make Palin appear that she is mentally ill and in need of help. You are totally distorting scenes and lying about what is in the movie. Yes Schmidt does say she can not learn and that is why he says they have an actress and have her try to memorize lines. And also before that he thinks she is mentally off and that a doctor needs to observe her the arizona bbq. Catatonic stupor is a direct quote from the movie! That is in the movie. It's not clear that you have ever seen this movie. Otherwise you would know mark wallace says catatonic stupor and a doctor observes her at the bbq and she does cry and shake while talking about her baby and all of the stuff that includes her lying on the floor in the fetal position surrounded by paper. This is all in the movie but you want to talk about the movie like all that stuff is not in there or doesn't mean anything.
share"Nicolle Wallace can't even vote for McCain because of what she saw"
Niv-1, where exactly in the movie did Nicolle Wallace say she couldn't vote for McCain because Sarah Palin was mentally ill?
Well, there's this scene.
Nicolle Wallace: Steve... there's something I have to tell you.
Steve Schmidt: Sure...
Nicolle Wallace: I didn't vote... I couldn't do it... I didn't vote
[starts to cry, moves to be hugged by Steve]
Nicolle Wallace: I couldn't do it.
I guess you *could* argue Wallace doesn't specify exactly why she couldn't vote. But considering they've just made a whole film which has a pretty clear theme, you'd have to be very, VERY, unaware to to believe her reason for not voting is anything else than Palin's presence on the ticket.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
T-Mex, I was asking Niv-1 where in the film Nicole Wallace said she couldn't vote for McCain because Sarah Palin was insane (which Wallace never said). But Niv-1 posts incessantly that Game Change shows Sarah Palin is insane, that she suffers catatonic stupors, is a danger to her children, etc.
So I asked; "Where exactly in the film does Wallace say she didn't vote for McCain because Palin is insane?"
But thank you for responding T-Mex. I remember thinking during that scene how devastatingly conflicted Wallace must have been (and how well actress Sarah Paulson played it) because this was years of Wallace's life, and all her work to get McCain elected, and her own professional reputation, and it was all crashing down for her because someone made the disastrous decision to have a totally unqualified, unprofessional, twit be John McCain's running mate.
I imagine it had to be heartbreaking for Wallace.
That's true. Wallace never says that. I think she doesn't vote because she just doesn't want to contribute to Palin being "one 72 year olds heartbeat away from becoming the President of the United States" [to cite Jack Cafferty].
However, I do think Wallace thought Palin was mentally instable. Her second book, "It's Classified" is about a fictional presidential campaign where the vice-president candidate is mentally ill. Wallace has said the premise was inspired by her experience as a Senior Adviser to the McCain/Palin campaign.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
She didn't have to say it so explicity in the movie. It is obvious from the way Nicolle Wallace was written and how Paulson plays her that she thought palin was insane. Like the way she looks at her in the car and he way she looks at her in he hotel room and her line "and your just like Hillary" and how she quits having anything to do with palin. Plus her husband mark Wallace talks about witnessing catatonic stupors. And then Nicolle Wallace in real life not a part o the movie wrtites that fictional book inspired by palin about he insane vice president. New York magazine the Hollywood reporter and other reviews all talk about the movie portraying palin as mentally Ill.
shareIt is obvious from the way Nicolle Wallace was written and how Paulson plays her that she thought palin was insane.
Seriously, the more you post, the more I think you're completely unaware of how the term "insane" is used in English conversation.
Like the way she looks at her in the car and he way she looks at her in he hotel room and her line "and your just like Hillary" and how she quits having anything to do with palin.
If you'd ask me, she looks at her thinking Palin is not cut out for this job. Palin is a very small foot in a very large shoe.
Plus her husband mark Wallace talks about witnessing catatonic stupors.
Yes, that's something a layman may say in casual conversation. That does not mean he is in any way qualified to to give a diagnosis of REAL catatonic stupors. What it means is Palin clammed up. It's a defense mechanism based in regression. It has NOTHING to do with REAL catatonic stupors.
Please, take note of this once and for all. I've seen quite a few posts from you on these boards and you'd do yourself a favour of acknowledging that you understand. Unless, of course, you aim to be like Palin yourself.
And then Nicolle Wallace in real life not a part o the movie wrtites that fictional book inspired by palin about he insane vice president.
OK, let's do this again. Mentally ill does not mean insane. Pls, repeat.
New York magazine the Hollywood reporter and other reviews all talk about the movie portraying palin as mentally Ill.
Do they use the word "insane" at any point?
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." share
"However, I do think Wallace thought Palin was mentally instable."
Probably she did. They may have all thought Palin was unstable. But the movie doesn't show Palin in catatonic stupors, or being a danger to her children or Wallace saying she couldn't vote for McCain because Palin is insane or any of the other drivel that Niv-1 rants about.
The movie does show Palin being uncooperative, rude, difficult, self centered and untrustworthy. I'm sure for those working in the highest echelons of the GOP, this type of unprofessional behavior was incomprehensible.
But still, nowhere in the movie is Sarah Palin shown having catatonic stupors, unable to speak, or eat, or clean herself. Nor does it show John McCain calling Palin a "stupid woman", or Nicolle Wallace saying that the reason she wouldn't vote for McCain because Palin was insane.
But unfortunately that won't stop a certain poster here from posting incessantly that Sarah Palin is insane. share
But the movie doesn't show Palin in catatonic stupors, or being a danger to her children or Wallace saying she couldn't vote for McCain because Palin is insane or any of the other drivel that Niv-1 rants about.
Agreed.
It's as if Niv-1 isn't aware of how the word "insane" is used in casual conversation. Not to mention Niv-1 seem to think just because they use the term "catatonic stupors", it means actual catatonic stupors.
Personally, I think the film just shows Palin as completely unqualified for the task. On all levels unqualified. Mentally as well.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." share
It's as if Niv-1 isn't aware of how the word "insane" is used in casual conversation. Not to mention Niv-1 seems to think just because they use the term "catatonic stupors", it means actual catatonic stupors.
You bring up a very good point T-Mex that makes me wonder if Niv-1 is not American and therefore doesn't understand American casual conversation.
Obviously Mark Wallace is not a doctor giving a diagnosis when he uses the term "catatonic stupor" to describe Palin's refusal to cooperate with her media preparation. But Niv-1 has latched onto this phrase "catatonic stupor" because they believe that it proves his/her obsession that Sarah Palin is insane.
Also, when the doctor neighbor at the bbq uses the phrase "Not half bad" to describe how Palin is doing, Americans would know that this is a positive assessment. It means that as far as how Palin is doing...not bad. But Niv-1 rants about John McCain not being told that the doctor said "Not half bad" as if it was something dire, instead of what it is - not bad.
I think you may have hit upon something T-Mex that would explain this particular poster's obsession that Sarah Palin is insane based on his not understanding American conversational expressions. share
stilavictor --- have you not paid attention during the movie ?? her STUPOR: when she wasn't responding to Nicole Wallace time and time again , appearing zombie like. Watch that part again. That was what got them all concerned about her mental state.
but quite frankly, among other things, she was more of an ADD type .. and had weak memory.
I have tried to point these scenes out but it just doesn't work! Because it is not totally explicitly named as a catatonic stupor scene and that is what gets the campaign to get the doctor to observe her.
shareI wouldn't waste my time on that dense troll.
Just tell him/her that Palin was as bright as a star, and be done with it.
I think we're dealing with rednecks here.
daze, numbness, unconsciousness, trance, coma,
Oh good! Buff70, please cite where in the movie Sarah Palin is shown in a catatonic stupor. Please tell us where she is shown as unable to feed herself or clean herself, or dress herself, which is what catatonia is - the inability to function. Please tell us Buff exactly where the movie shows Palin in a catatonic stupor. Hint; People in stupor don't text. Nor do they talk, or throw temper tantrums and cell phones.
So Buff, where exactly does the movie show Sarah Palin in a catatonic stupor?
Where ???
After all we have said and explained, and revisited the movie ....
I guess you are DENSE -- and ridiculous.
I have nothing more to say to you.
"I have nothing more to say to you."Of course you don't because you cannot cite a scene in this movie where Sarah Palin was shown in a catatonic stupor.
But give it another try Buff, just cite one scene where Palin was shown as incapacitated.
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Her BRAIN IS INCAPACITATED.
HER HANDS AND HER GENITALS ARE IN TOTAL CONTROL OF HER, SO IS HER VULGAR TONGUE.
"Her BRAIN IS INCAPACITATED.Wow.
HER HANDS AND HER GENITALS ARE IN TOTAL CONTROL OF HER, SO IS HER VULGAR TONGUE."
And where is that in the movie Buff? Where does it show Sarah Palin's genitals in control of her?
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SARAH PALIN'S "GENITALS ARE IN TOTAL CONTROL OF HER".OMG!
Ranting and raving Niv-1 has finally found her soulmate in Buff70!!! share
You really know nothing of context. It is when you see her lying on the floor in a ball surrounded by paper. LOL you make up some lie that says she just fell asleep but all the context is about catatonic stupor and the scene doesn't say how long she was on the floor! It is all in the movie. Why are you acting like even though the movie talks about catatonic stupors and a doctor is hired it doesn't show one! I don't get it.
shareWhen the term "catatonic stupor" was used, I believed it to be explanatory of her behavior not a mental diagnosis. However, what is shown and explained seems more to be focal seizures, possibly stress induced or just plain mentally withdrawing from a stressful situation. If the woman is as bright as we are given to believe, her inability to grasp the complicated political scheme and lack of any real knowledge must have been horrifying and humiliating. She is presented as a woman very caught up in an image and when that image is challenged, she shuts down. Like Mr. Obama, she is a wonderful orator. People are so drawn to that, they forget to look under the words or examine the content.
shareBut when the campaign brings in a mental professional or a doctor of some kind they should have put her through the whole examination of her mental state. The doctor they bring in says not half bad for a woman with a baby and a son going to war- not half bad for that! but for vp? Bringing in a doctor the way they did but not get a real diagnosis of palins mental issues would lead to her remaining on the ticket only to become the most uncooperative runningmate in decades! Was that because of her mental issues? You are only left with the amateurs saying nervous breakdowns and catatonic stupors and what if that Happened as president If McCain died?
share"When the term "catatonic stupor" was used, I believed it to be explanatory of her behavior not a mental diagnosis."
Sarah Palin is not mentally ill, obviously. But she is a bitch. She behaves exactly like my teenage niece does when she's angry or doesn't get her way. She becomes sullen, won't talk, won't cooperate, has tantrums and blames everybody else for whatever's wrong. My niece is not mentally ill, nor is Sarah Palin. They're just brats.
"She becomes sullen, won't talk, won't cooperate, has tantrums and blames everybody else for whatever's wrong."
That is exactly what she did and probably still does.
Add in a con artist factor of the highest order combined with lacking the ability to tell the truth and you have Palin.
Because the movie presented this as true The question is even though she was destroying the McCain campaign in every way why did the keep her? Polls all bad? Money? McCain had already accepted matching funds!
share"When the term "catatonic stupor" was used, I believed it to be explanatory of her behavior not a mental diagnosis."Save your breath otr2005, you are addressing someone that is obsessed with Sarah Palin, and specifically that Sarah Palin is insane. Niv-1 has hundreds of posts that Sarah Palin is insane, that she suffers catatonic stupors and is a danger to her children. And that John McCain could have, and should have kicked Palin to the curb and there wouldn't have been any negative repercussions for him or the campaign, because Sarah Palin is mentally ill!
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Because the movie says palin is insane and it makes the movie impossible to believe because why keep someone who needed to have a doctor observe them secretly ? When the movies shows the doctor secretly observing Palin what other conclusion can you reach? Yeah that the scene that shows her on the floor in a robe surrounded by papers is her "taking a nap"!! Lol. yes what kind of mother is someone who Other adults call doctors to secretly observe and who they say total breakdown and catatonic stupor about?
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