Liberal Hollywood Hit Job? You bet. But... - Game Change (2012) Discussion

[–] bethebestforthejob 10 years ago

Yes, I fully agree with you! Besides, I absolutely loved this movie :)

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

He had all the power in the world to get palin removed from the ticket. He was aware of her catatonic stupors and had that doctor follow her around the party BBQ in Arizona to check her mental status. He was a trusted adviser of McCain. He heard palin say queen Elizabeth ran all policy of UK and didn't know what the fed was, didn't know about either Iraq or Afghanistan and thougt saddam attacked the wtc. He saw severe mental illness and stupidity and did nothing. Why didn't he have palin removed and tell McCain the truth about palin. Why did he continue to work for the potential palin presidency? Same thing for the Wallace's. why did they work every day to potentially have Palin be president?

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[–] CharlesVariations 10 years ago

In my opinion he felt he couldn't take her off the ticket because she was already introduced to the public and she immediately became very popular. She garnered a lot of momentum and support and to boot her off after she had been very well established would have dealt a huge blow to the McCain campaign. It would have been a worse decision for them to take her off than it was for them to pick her. It was pretty obvious when election day approached that they were going to lose but the loss would have been more humiliating if it was due to them taking her off. They would have been further behind than they were when Obama won.

I'm not trying to sound rude; you make a good point but I'm not sure what your post has to do with whether this movie is accurate or not.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think what you're trying to say is that you believe this movie to be untrue based on the fact that Schmidt kept her on despite her outrageous behavior, incompetence, and ignorance. So the fact that he kept her on the ticket makes you think she couldn't have done all those things because if she did than nobody would have kept her?

If that is true then my response is already listed above. She had gained too much momentum for them to simply boot her off.

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

Her popularity and support from some people would not have surived the disclosure of all her mental problems like the catatonic stupors. Who would go on TV and say they want a catatonic support prone president even vp? Tons of media famous conservatives were already demanding her removal from the ticket like Murphy krauthammer noonan and others. McCain campaign had the ready excuse that who could have predicted catatonic stupors? McCain is supposed to have a vp who has catatonic stupors? But then even if not removing palin the Wallace's and Schmidt and everyone who is shown hating her could have resigned. They are all shown working for her to be president possibly every day! Nicolle Wallace has that big scene where she says she didn't vote but why did she work for palin every day? A mentally ill ignorant Idiot! They had the doctor follow her around. She's never been formally clinically evaluated.

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

I don't understand how McCain removing the cause of so many not voting for him would have hurt him more than dumping her when he would have the excuse of the catatonic stupors or whatever. They had the doctor follow her around for some reason. The reason why I believe the movie makes no sense is because people act like they need to keep her for some reason. In real life Nicolle Wallace said they all talked about removing her after the vote if McCain won. But McCain was losing becaue of palin. This movie is about palin being mentally ill and having catatonic stupors so why keep her when that's a perfect excuse to drop her? The movie makes no sense and she had to have at least one supporter in the campaign when she's the one destroying it. The movie is either a lie completely or has sins of omission so bad that it makes it incomprehensible.

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[–] bethebestforthejob 10 years ago

Niv-1

This movie is about palin being mentally ill and having catatonic stupors so why keep her when that's a perfect excuse to drop her?

Because dropping her mid-campaign would create a historic precedent, it would also provoke diligent investigation by American and International press. Palin would have probably given an interview or two teary-eyed, with the American flag in the background, crying conspiracy and urging people to stock up on guns, since New World Order is coming.

The whole mess (that we know of today) would have been uncovered: complete lack of vetting on McCain's part, Palin's ignorance, political opportunism of both and probably - much more.

This would literally - sink McCain's career and ruin the reputation of the entire Republican Party; reputation already seriously railroaded by the economic crisis and Bush Presidency (an hey, don't start b!tching about me, look at the polls in 2008).

Palin's charisma and populist support may have brought about not the Tea Party movement: but the Tea Party - the Party! Which would most definitely gain some seats in the Congress and temporarily - completely de-stabilise American political scene.

Reasons enough not to drop her mid-campaign?

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

Palin was already ruining the reputation of McCain and the entire republican party. Every day she was on the ticket more and more republicans and conservatives were demanding her removal and or endorsing Obama. Powell, Murphy, noonan, Parker, krauthammer, Buckley, mccain employees such as Nicolle Wallace. etc etc. So many because she was destroying the reputation and presidential prospects of the Republican Party. They had a bulletproof excuse in the severe mental illness shown by catatonic stupors and weird obsessions. They had the doctor follow her around. Wallace and Schmidt could have gone on TV and told their stories on a Friday and new vp candidate on Monday. Boom over in a weekend and palin is seen as mentally ill so no one complains. They say she just had a total unforeseen nervous breakdown. Easiest thing in the world with no controversy.

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[–] bethebestforthejob 10 years ago

Niv-1

Every day she was on the ticket more and more republicans and conservatives were demanding her removal and or endorsing Obama.

Peggy Noonan never called for Palin's removal from the ticket, neither before nor after elections. Christopher Buckley, General William Powell, Charles Krauthammer and all the other commentators you mentioned: did not call for her removal either.

I dare you, refute me with a quote.

Kathleen Parker in her seminal column Palin Problem available here: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/225784/palin-problem/kathleen-p arker said this:

McCain can’t repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP’s unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.

Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

Do I need to say anything more?

Niv-1

They had a bulletproof excuse in the severe mental illness shown by catatonic stupors and weird obsessions.

Who are they? The hierarchy of American presidential campaign is: The candidate, the VP at the top of the pyramid, everyone else below. Do you claim an advisor can remove the candidate from the ticket? Who do you think pays the advisors?

Wallace and Schmidt could have gone on TV and told their stories on a Friday and new vp candidate on Monday.palin is seen as mentally ill so no one complains. They say she just had a total unforeseen nervous breakdown. Easiest thing in the world with no controversy. (...)

You are funny :). I will tell you what would be controversial: removing only second female VP candidate in history from a ticket mid-campaign claiming hysteria.

Do you know how Palin could have responded? Claiming McCain has dementia.

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

You need to look up the video where both Murphy and Noonan bash Palin strongly. I will edit my comment to say more and more conservatives were demanding her resignation from the ticket or endorsing Obama. I don't see much of a difference in resigning and removal.

Schmidt and the Wallace's were working to get McCain elected president! They had tons of evidence that palin was going through major mental problems including catatonic stupors.

Catatonic stupors and nervous breakdown is not hysteria.

There was no proof or eyewitnesses to any McCain dementia. What is a proven fact is that McCain and Schmidt hired a doctor to follow Palin around a party because of the mental problems she was displaying. Where is the doctor hired to follow McCain around to see if she has dementia or any eyewitness accounts of McCain having dementia?

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[–] CharlesVariations 10 years ago

Why they didn't kick her off? I have no idea. But they still said this movie as accurate; Wallace and Schmidt.

Schmidt liked John McCain and respected him so he wasn't just going to abandon his campaign. But no actually Palin brought his campaign a lot more attention and a lot of those ignorant simpleton ultra right voters that were in campaigns audience loved Palin. The voters I'm talking about are the ones that appeared out of the woodwork once they started talking about Bill Ayers and started saying "He's a traitor!" "He's a muslim!" "Go back to Africa!" and then that famous old fat lady "I don't trust him, he's an Arab." Those people LOVED Palin.

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

All those people were destroying mccains ability to actually win the presidency. He was not running to please Obama haters but to win the presidency and palin was the Number one reason why he lost. He could have easily dumped her with no controversy because of the severe mental illness catatonic stupors. Schmidt and wallace were working every day for palin to be president too potentially. That's why it makes no sense! The movie excludes Wallace saying after the campaign that they all agreed to try to dump her before she took the oath. So the movie makes no sense without that if its true.

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[–] CharlesVariations 10 years ago

Do you think this movie is accurate or not?

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

If it is entirely accurate and truthful it doesn't make any sense. It only makes sense if something not in the movie really happened and that's the discussion Wallace revealed that they all talked and agreed that they'd all try to keep palin from being sworn in. That way the scenes of including the real enthusiasm she generated along with the money make sense- they were just using her. It also gives credibility to the catatonic stupor and bizarre behavior scenes. The doctor following her around the BBQ observing her? It could all be true but the movie makes no sense! Why work for this woman to be president potentially? Wallace says they weren't but that's not in the movie! It also makes Wallace's "I didn't vote scene" baffling. So she didn't vote for McCain because what if they couldn't prevent her from becoming vp?

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[–] CharlesVariations 10 years ago

My only answer again is that she garnered a lot of popularity and attention and they just simply didn't want to kick her off as they would face a serious backlash. The campaign was doomed to begin with. Obama campaign was one upping the McCain campaign every which way but Sunday. That's why they felt they had to "do something bold" to try and win, as Schmidt said. So then they picked her, she turned out to be an airhead and then they figured out they could just give her a script and she'd do well. But that wasn't enough and her incompetence still shined. Esp. during the Couric interview. Whew that was painful.

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

Yes so when she is turning out to be a disaster and having no benefit to electing McCain while also experiencing catatonic stupors why not use that excuse to remove her from the ticket? No one could possibly have supported a catatonic stupor prone potential president! There would have been no backlash! They had a doctor who followed her around. They were so concerned she was going insane they took action! Every day post Gibson "bush doctrine answer" was a wretched horrible diaster for McCain and with the catatonic stupors perfect reason to dump her with no backlash as no way to predict catatonic stupor nervous breakdown.

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[–] bethebestforthejob 10 years ago

Niv-1

why not use that excuse to remove her from the ticket?

Who would be doing the removing? Who? Not talking about how bad she is: but actually removing her?

And can you show one example from recent history (so post-1945) when such a thing happened?

It would be historical precedent! It would destroy McCain's credibility and seriously affect Republican Party's credibility in times of crisis! How do you not see that?

If McCain himself gave up the candidacy it would be less messy than dismissing the VP mid-campaign.

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[–] CharlesVariations 10 years ago

It would be historical precedent! It would destroy McCain's credibility and seriously affect Republican Party's credibility in times of crisis! How do you not see that?

If McCain himself gave up the candidacy it would be less messy than dismissing the VP mid-campaign.

That's exactly what I've been trying to explain to him, you just worded it much better. I can't really make it anymore clearer to him.

It would have been a mess had McCain just removed her especially after she's been cemented in the campaign as his definitive VP. And you're right they can't just "remove her." I guess the only person that could have done so was John McCain? I don't know.

But yeah I'm done trying to explain it to him and I'm just going to cease answering any of his replies. If someone else comes on to the thread, like you did, then great. It's a breath of fresh air.

I'm done.

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[–] bethebestforthejob 10 years ago

CharlesVariations

But yeah I'm done trying to explain it to him and I'm just going to cease answering any of his replies.

Yeah, I can see that :). Well, what can I say: I am obviously in the mood for a little talk :)

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

The VP candidate is dependent entirely on the presidential candidates approval. Yes a Presidential candidate can just remove a VP candidate: see Eagleton. The evidence that was not presented to McCain by Wallace and Schmidt was gross negligence.

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[–] bethebestforthejob 10 years ago

Niv-1

The VP candidate is dependent entirely on the presidential candidates approval. Yes a Presidential candidate can just remove a VP candidate: see Eagleton.

First of all, I appreciate your effort in this exchange and recognise you are a true believer :).

Going back to the issue:

1) McGovern and Eagelton were Democrats. I repeat, Democrats. Removing Sarah Palin from Republican Party ticket mid-campaign would create a historical precedent. My point still stands!

2) There were books published on McGovern and Eagleton and only because of Eagleton stepping down. Now I repeat: Eagleton stepping down, not - Eagleton getting fired. Please, don't take my word for it: listen to James Eagleton admitting this himself: Eagleton speaks after stepping down as VP candidate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIB6yH0yvPk

3) The enormous scandal of McGovern campaign and failure to uncover Eagleton alcoholism and past mental health problems singlehandedly launched the process known today as diligent vetting of political candidates:

"We went over names casually, didn't do any 'background checking,' " Hart says [former Colorado Sen. Gary Hart, who served as McGovern's campaign manager] "It wasn't mandated in those days as it is now. Certainly after '72 it came to be mandated.

Steve Schmidt repeatedly said McCain's staff failed their candidate and the Party by not subjecting Sarah Palin to proper vetting. This was an enormous failure of judgment because after she was sworn in and launched on National stage - it was impossible to remove her!

Even if it was remotely possible, by threat, bribery or (family members) intervention - neither Schmidt nor Wallace could have done anything about it! It was all McCain's decision.

I am sorry, but if anybody competes for the most powerful office in the world - and has no spine to make difficult or controversial decisions, nor informed decisions for that matter - such person is automatically disqualified.

There was no good way out of this, unfortunately. There was only the option of saving the cadaver of ones former reputation, and not creating a political f!ck up of epic, historic proportions.

Nobody (and rightly) absolutely nobody showed McCain the disrespect of coming to him and telling him openly: I think you should do what I think is right.

They were advisors. Political advisors. Not decision-makers.

Do you think, just for the purposes of this discussion: you could suspend your prejudice against Steve Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace for just a moment? They may well be bad, shifty, morally bankrupt people, as you suggest - but because of the positions they held during the McCain-Palin Campaign, - there was really nothing they could have done!

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

Unless McCain had palin medical records saying she had been mentally ill in the past and had had catatonic stupors there would be no reason to believe this was a failure of vetting like McGovern eagleton. Everyone seemed to be surprise palin was going through catatonic stupors and was mentally ill to the point they hired a doctor to follow her around and moved her across the country. Even in the Republican Party the presidential candidate has absolute power on the vp selection. He can force their resignation from their ticket which is same as firing.

It is not disrespect to McCain to tell him all the facts of what were going on with palin and suggest removal. She was already destroying the ticket and in private showing severe signs of mental illness. She was going to be president potentially with catatonic stupors? Being followed around by doctors secretly? They would not be disrespecting him to tell him the whole truth.

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[–] bethebestforthejob 10 years ago

She was already destroying the ticket and in private showing severe signs of mental illness.

What was the illness? Name the illness please! Please, genuinely, name the mental illness!

Man, you are running around in circles. You are providing no arguments to refute mine. Zero. Your entire position in this discussion is now based on a conspiracy theory!

WHo was the doctor following her around? What was his name? Did he diagnose her? What was the diagnosis?

I am waiting! Tell me!

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

You saw the doctor in the movie! I don't know his real name! He was following her around. Schmidt and McCain know the name.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1154851-overview

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

George McGovern personally removed Eagleton from the ticket because of his past mental problems and treatment. Palin was going through mental problems during the campaign that would lead Schmidt and McCain to hire a doctor to follow her around! Why they didn't just remove her is baffling! McCain had complete authority over who his VP was. He was not presented with all the evidence of her mental illness and he himself said at the end "she might turn on me" so even he became afraid of her!

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

McCain after being advised by Schmidt and Wallace where they reveal all the facts about what happened.

Yes of course there is an example. McGovern removed Eagleton based on past electroshock therapy. McCain and Schmidt hired a doctor to follow her around a BBQ based on what they were seeing from her in stress situations.

The crisis was Palin's catatonic stupors and mental breakdown which no one had reason to suspect would happen. She was already destroying the ticket as well.

You are wrong. I don't see how removing Palin due to her catatonic stupors would have been anything but good.

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[–] bethebestforthejob 10 years ago

Niv-1

I don't see how removing Palin due to her catatonic stupors would have been anything but good.

Define bad-good in this context :) As I said, the scandal would have been severe enough to undermine credibility of the entire Republican Party, and lead to the emergence of the third party, likely named The Tea Party.

With Palin as its hero-martyr.

Would you consider such an event to be bad, or good? I mean, it would obviously be bad for the Republican Party. But for you, personally, and your sympathies?

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[–] CharlesVariations 10 years ago

He's said the same thing over and over, which I had already answered over and over. Now you, with a lot more intricate knowledge on this Palin issue have explained it all even more thoroughly than I did.

It probably can't get any clearer with the explanations you gave.

I guess his whole argument was that the fact that he couldn't understand why they would keep Palin on the ticket and if she really displayed that much stupidity and incompetence then it's unbelievable that they'd keep her.

You, like myself, have already explained that they couldn't just simply get rid of her because it would hurt their campaign, but also it'd hurt the entire party which is also true.

He just doesn't get that. It's just like Biden, he kept making all this stupid comments that was getting the Obama administration a bunch of trouble and they considered getting a new VP for 2012 but they ultimately decided against it because it was just too risky.

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

Palin was already destroying the campaign! The Gibson and couric interviews along with all the scandals like the trooper scandal were all destroying the McCain campaign! How could getting rid of her be worse than keeping her? THey had all the eyewitnesses and proof and hired doctor to show how serious they were that she was suffering serious mental illness and catatonic stupors. I don't get your point about removing palin damaging mccains chances to be president when the number one problem was palin.

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[–] bethebestforthejob 10 years ago

Niv-1

How could getting rid of her be worse than keeping her?

My friend, this discussion involved two people in the opposition, one defending (you) it lasted for several days and produced some 30 posts.

You were provided with links, quotations, informed speculation. Two people took their time to answer your important question to the best of their ability.

So far you did not even acknowledge the replies. You return back to your original question and repeat it over, and over again, as if talking to a mirror.

Perhaps here lies the problem: did you read the replies prior to posting? Which part in them (in my replies, lets say) is unclear? Can you highlight them for me? I will try to explain it better.

I am sorry, but going round and round in circles leads to nowhere. At this particular time in our conversation I do not need to even write anything, I can just copy and paste from the replies I already given.

You simply must not have read them: what other explanation could there be for your behaviour?

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

I did read them. They are totally unconvincing. If you have someone with catatonic stupors who is also destroying the ticket based on the Gibson couric interviews and trooper scandal all that's not enough to dump her? There is precendent for a pres candidate dumping the vp candidate based on past mental treatment. Palins problems were current with the campaign! Who could possibly oppose her removal? I read palin would charge McCain with having dementia! McCain would have three or more eye witnesses to palins mental problems. Schmidt and the Wallace's! Plus the doctor who was hired to follow her around.

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[–] bethebestforthejob 10 years ago

Niv-1

I did read them. They are totally unconvincing.

Please point out the unconvincing part. After I put so much effort into writing those, you could show me the curtesy of precise quotation.

If you have someone with catatonic stupors who is also destroying the ticket based on the Gibson couric interviews and trooper scandal all that's not enough to dump her?

Palin never suffered from catatonic stupors. Never. Neither according to the movie, nor to the authors. I watched the movie again: none of what you say is mentioned. I repeat, where do you get this from, if - obviously - not the movie?

Who could possibly oppose her removal?

John McCain, the entire Republican Party, the so-called base.

McCain would have three or more eye witnesses to palins mental problems. Schmidt and the Wallace's! Plus the doctor who was hired to follow her around.

The doctor deemed her healthy and reacting perfectly adequately to the situation. I will quote him in the next post. Being stubborn, stressed out, under pressure are not signs of mental illness.

Neither Wallace nor Schmidt are psychiatrists, nor did they ever claim she was mentally ill. Ever If you want to refute this statement, please do it with a quote from either one.

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

What scandal? Do you believe palin was suffering catatonic stupors and was mentally ill or not? McCain and Schmidt hired the doctor to follow her around. It wasn't anything clinical so it wasn't really official but everyone thought she was mentally ill. How would anyone know this would happen? Unless palins medical records showed she had been mentally ill in the past and McCain chose her anyway!

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[–] bethebestforthejob 10 years ago

Niv-1

Do you believe palin was suffering catatonic stupors and was mentally ill or not?

Do I believe it? Man, you are the one advocating this theory! Are you asking: did you convince me?

No!!!!!

You did not provide me with the diagnosis, name of the mental illness, name of the doctor diagnosing her, informed speculation done by medical professionals, not even examples of her political opponents calling her mentally ill!

As far as I know nobody thought she was genuinely mentally ill - at any point of her career!

If you claim there were some who did and you are convinced it was (is! she is still alive!) true: show me the very same evidence that convinced you!

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

It's in the movie? Why is the doctor following her around the BBQ? It was so stupid because it wasn't an official clinical thing so all the reports of the catatonic stupors and other things were never really formally evaluated and if it did its doctor patient privilege. You know Schmidt Wallace and others say everything in the movie is true or true enough so why are you saying I'm introducing mental illness and catatonic stupors? It's in the "true" movie. But it's dumb because why work for someone every day to be a president having catatonic stupors potentially?

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[–] bethebestforthejob 10 years ago

Niv-1

It's in the movie? Why is the doctor following her around the BBQ?

No, my friend, you will be happy to see I actually watched the movie again for the purpose of this conversation, and I can confidently claim that yes, the doctor interacted with Sarah Palin at the party in Sedona, Arizona, he deemed her healthier and in much better mental shape than Steve Schmidt :). The exact exchange was:

Schmidt calling McCain in the middle of the night saying he worries Palin may be at the verge of mental breakdown.
McCain replying bring her to my ranch, lets reunite her with her family, my neighbour is a doctor he can tell us whether she is in real trouble or not.

The BBQ wanes down, Schmidt asks said doctor how is Palin.
She is fine, says he, she is actually taking things very well considering the pressure, family separation and instant fame. Schmidt, on the other hand - looks just terrible! (doctor says)

Next scene: Palin talks with her husband, who encourages her to develop some spine and take things in her own hands. So she does, which leads to enormous surge in her popularity, and emergence of a political phenomenon that is Sarah Palin as we know her.

Where is the crazy??????????

You know Schmidt Wallace and others say everything in the movie is true or true enough so why are you saying I'm introducing mental illness and catatonic stupors?

You are introducing catatonic stupors and mental illness, because none of them, neither Schmidt nor Wallace, ever claimed such a thing!

why work for someone every day to be a president having catatonic stupors potentially?

You have answered yourself. If someone displayed catatonic stupors, one may have to wonder. Since nobody did - the question does not apply!

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

Mark Wallace EXPLICITLY uses the term catatonic stupor in his discussion of sarah palin in the movie to Schmidt. Schmidt than calls McCain to have a discussion of her mental state. Mccain then says he has a doctor friend who can follow her around and make a report on her mental health. The bbq was a calm environment with no stress and a real doctor performing real tests in a clinical environment could make a decision on palins mental state not during the course of a bbq one day! Yes there is a lot of discussion of palin possibly being mentally ill in the movie and have you seen the whole thing again? You don't seem to be putting all the scenes together and judging the context. Nor do you even add in the qualifiers the doctor adds. "recent birth son at war she's not half bad" that's basically what he says. "not half bad" Yes he says Schmidt looks like crap but he didn't even do a real psychological evaluation on palin which was caused by the reports of both nicolle and mark Wallace. She also destroyed her relationship with even McCain who announces "she may turn on me" Remember that scene". And then she refuses to make ads about stem cells and meet with pro choicers to campaign for McCain? You need to watch the WHOLE movie again and maybe take notes.

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[–] stilavictor 10 years ago

bethebestforthejob, as you know Game Change never showed Sarah Palin in a catatonic stupor as Niv-1 insists. (Catatonics cannot feed themselves or dress themselves or even clean themselves, let alone run for Vice President!)

So before you get any more engaged in Niv-1's irrational fixation on Sarah Palin and Game Change, let me tell you that Niv-1 has posted over 100 times here that Sarah Palin is insane. Niv-1 is OBSESSED with Sarah Palin and believes that Palin is mentally ill and that this movie proves it.

Niv-1 has claimed the film shows;

-Palin ”crying and shaking saying 'where is my baby' over and over again.”

- Sarah Palin has ”a severe mental disorder that lead the campaign to hire doctors to do a visual diagnosis of insanity".

-Sarah Palin "is a danger to her children".

-Palin ”curled up in the fetal position and could not function for days”.

-”McCain saying she is such a stupid woman."

-"Palin was tested for insanity."

-Palin has a "major eating disorder".

-"Palin is seen as totally insane by people according to the movie.”

-"It was irresponsible of the McCain campaign that they did not commit Palin.”

-"McCain should have dropped her and it wouldn't have hurt his campaign because Palin is mentally ill."

-”All those people saying the interview was so bad because she (Palin) is insane."

-Palin "was in a catatonic stupor".

-Palin was "unconscious on the floor of her hotel room".

It doesn't matter that none of these things were in the movie, in Niv's feverishly OBSESSED brain Sarah Palin is INSANE and the movie Game Change proves it, and Niv-1 has posted it 100 times over and over and over FOR YEARS and will continue posting the same obsessive rant to anyone who will listen.

Just thought you should know...

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

Why does the movie bring up catatonic stupors and show a doctor following her around a bbq to see how her mental Health is if it doesn't want you to consider the fact that she may be mentally ill. We disagree! When the movie shows her lying on the floor surrounded by paper the context has people talking about her having catatonic stupors . you say that scene is about palin having fallen asleep but why divorce the scene from all the context? Why would the movie show her having fallen asleep on the floor surrounded by paper?

Steve schmidt says she was eating to many health bars and was developing an eating disorder.

She cries and says over and over "my baby my baby" that's in the movie.

Its so bizarre why you write about this movie it really seems you have never seen.

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[–] stilavictor 10 years ago

Niv, we've been over this a dozen or more times. Over the years that you've been obsessing that Sarah Palin is insane, dozens of people have challenged you on the false and ridiculous statements you make about this movie. But you keep making them so let's reiterate:

-The movie does not show Palin in a catatonic stupor.

-There is no scene showing Palin crying and saying "My baby, my baby" over and over.

-The doctor said that considering what all Palin had been through she was fine.

Its so bizarre why you write about this movie it really seems you have never seen.

No Niv, what's bizarre is your freak obsession with Sarah Palin and Game Change. But hey, as long as you continue to post things that were not in the movie, I will continue to call you on it. See you soon, I'm sure.

Things Niv-1 has claimed are in Game Change;

-Palin ”crying and shaking saying 'where is my baby' over and over again.”

- Sarah Palin has ”a severe mental disorder that lead the campaign to hire doctors to do a visual diagnosis of insanity".

-Sarah Palin "is a danger to her children".

-Palin ”curled up in the fetal position and could not function for days”.

-”McCain saying she is such a stupid woman."

-"Palin was tested for insanity."

-Palin has a "major eating disorder".

-"Palin is seen as totally insane by people according to the movie.”

-"It was irresponsible of the McCain campaign that they did not commit Palin.”

-"McCain should have dropped her and it wouldn't have hurt his campaign because Palin is mentally ill."

-”All those people saying the interview was so bad because she (Palin) is insane."

-Palin "was in a catatonic stupor".

-Palin was "unconscious on the floor of her hotel room".

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[–] Mhjm6 10 years ago

HALLELUJER

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[–] johndoe83 10 years ago

well, watched the movie, read the boards, I'm pretty sure NIV-1 has a more severe mental issue than the theoretical one he suggests Sarah Palin has. Dumb and ambitious doesn't = insane. Obsession on the other hand...

You should consult someone buddy, asking for help is not weakness.

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[–] Niv-1 10 years ago

The movie shows her being followed around by a doctor! People are discussing her having nervous breakdown and catatonic stupors. Why is she shown "sleeping" on the floor surrounded by paper?

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