Sorry all I'm working today and had to wait for my luch break to respond properly.
It's okay henny. I'm not living on here like some people do, so you take all the time you need to reply.
People have been screaming torture porn improperly here for going on two years now. It's not torture porn it's gore like I said before. Torture porn is a stupid *beep* term people try to use as a club to bludgeon something they don't like much like 'pseudo-science' or 'conspiracy theorist' which is used in an attempt to discredit anything that goes against established dogma, it's lazy.
That's not technically true. I mean, I'm sure people have complained on these boards about torture porn before, but torture porn itself as a term isn't one like "conspiracy theory" used to discredit something or rail against horror in general. Torture porn doesn't even refer to porn, it refers to excessive and gratuitous violence in place of actual storytelling or creating tension and dread through things like atmosphere and implied shock/horror.
One of the things that makes this show so great is their ability to change styles every year which they've done again this season, so it's pretty stupid to claim that the show sucks because of it. There have been plenty of threads over the years complaining about the lack of gore or it's use as a counter weight for all the sex like people complained about last year, ask anyone that's been on this board longer than a year.
I agree with you that one of the fabulous things about this - and any anthology show really - is its ability to switch up styles again and again. I also have been around, I don't doubt or refute that people have complained about those things over the years. What I take issue with is applying those requests for more gore during previous seasons as an argument to defend it here in this season, because the storylines and tones are so different from season to season. One of the reasons why I take issue with episode 7 in particular is that they forsake character development and tension in favor of upping the ante with violence and gore. The argument that there's too much of that - aka, torture porn - makes sense when you apply it to that episode. You can't discredit it just because someone complained that there wasn't enough gore during Coven or Freakshow.
I'm perfectly aware that this is a message board which I've already stated. People are more than welcome to complain about this show whenever they want, just don't make the rest of us look like idiots while doing so.
Trust me, there are plenty of people I've come across all over IMDb that need no help in looking like idiots. Especially those who are so quick to cut down others just because they don't care to hear what they have to say.
As far as nobody on the show looking at these boards goes, this is where the fanbase of this show originated. Call me a dreamer if you want but there have been several instances where fans here have suggested things that the writer's have gone on to use, especially in the earlier seasons when the fanbase wasn't as big, hence me saying "if you are listening".
You are very naive if you think that writers and producers from television shows - or even major mainstream actors - are reading these forums. These boards are host to tons of trolls, for one. Secondly, there would be a whole host of legal issues if a writer actually got their ideas from a fan forum. Thirdly, you can bet that if they're anywhere, they'd be somewhere like reddit where the community is larger and they can interact through official channels, such as with an IAMA (I am a "ask me anything") event.
So thank you for attempting to educate me on my own thought processes, but everything I stated before stands.
It's sweet that you still think that. :)
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Meldove
8 years ago
You are very naive if you think that writers and producers from television shows - or even major mainstream actors - are reading these forums. These boards are host to tons of trolls, for one. Secondly, there would be a whole host of legal issues if a writer actually got their ideas from a fan forum. Thirdly, you can bet that if they're anywhere, they'd be somewhere like reddit where the community is larger and they can interact through official channels, such as with an IAMA (I am a "ask me anything") event.
Yes, I have known of cases where the writers from Mr Robot have been on the reddit forum. Of course never to get ideas, this is well after the season is written, just to look at members theories. They have even acknowledged an individual who had predicted a theory correctly on one of the Mr Robot after shows.
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Benjen_Snark
8 years ago
Yup, the creators of Black Mirror also did an IAMA event shortly after the premiere of Season 3 of Black Mirror. It's a semi-official channel where they can answer whatever questions they choose about something after it's already been put out there. It's done that way so that they don't get sued for stealing a random fan's idea. Plausible deniability that they ever saw/had access to the theories before the episodes were released for the public.
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SensualSpiveySkeetones
8 years ago
Shouldn't have included the conspiracy theorist part I mostly used that because it's another abused word. Actually from what Dani's research would seem to suggest it was originated to describe porn specifically the money shot. Either way people have been using it to describe a plethora of different things mostly sex like they complained last year and w violence this year, both incorrect. The violence fits perfectly this season. When you have people that butcher others w a meat cleaver, human sacrifice, and cannibalism, those are all extremely violent acts they should be portrayed that way. Now if it serves the season like I'm saying here it does then it simply can't be torture porn. I don't think two seasons is too quick to cut someone down either, it's been a long time coming. You can call me naive all you want, Murphy has commented on fans theories or suggestions while seasons are ongoing during his weekly interviews. Whether it be imdb, reddit or twitter they definitely take notice. However AHS didnt have much of a twitter folkowing in the beginning, and correct me if I'm wrong bc I don't mess w reddit very often, but hasn't that site only blown up in the last two or three years? That would take it out of contention too. This pretty much leaves imdb, and fan mail which I'm not sure is much of a thing anymore since the invention of social media.
These points aside I feel like were pretty nuch agreeing on all the important stuff at this point.
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danloki
8 years ago
The money shot comment from Edelstein wasnt to say torture porn includes a money shot but was simply an analogy. Porn is a vehicle for sex on screen, and sex requires the happy ending otherwise the viewer would feel unsatisfied is what he suggested. 'Torture porn' is a vehicle for torture and gore, and the money shot is the victim/victims ending up with the final ejaculation of blood. People then confused that because of his derisive use of the word porn. He was just taking a stab at Roth by implying he cant tell a story/write a plot, and the term became a runaway train. Other critics then picked up the term when they hadnt even seen Roth's movies, like that broad in one of the articles I linked, and it then became totally bastardised. I've even seen comments that WEstworld is torture porn because robots get killed and people have sex in it. WTF? It goes on and on.
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