Does 13 Reasons have more of an appeal for people in their teens and early 20s (or those who read/watched it at that point in their lives)?
I've seen a lot of buzz about it and I know it's very well-regarded and about critical issues, but from the promos I get a very teen-oriented feeling. I tend to not like most properties (movies or books) aimed at that audience, but I love the exceptions I discover. I survived high school and college (and graduate school), so I tend to just be glad it's done and move on.
Does 13 Reasons transcend that and really appeal across to older generations?
No, it appeals to all the needy special snowflakes that believe that the world should be stepping on eggshells over what they say infront of them because it could lead them to suicide. I'm 28, so while I'm still technically part of gen Y, I'm definitely on the older part of the spectrum. And I have friends on Facebook from every age group and I can tell you right now, everyone making a hoot over this show are the 18-24 yearold crowds. The generation responsible for such ridiculous ideas as gender pronouns, 76 genders, trigger warnings, safe spaces, cultural appropriation and other such batshit insane lunatic garbage. It's a "woe is me, people think I have a nice ass so feel sorry for me" show. Nothing but one big circle jerk of millenials crying about their first world problems. It;s ridiculous. I can't relate to anything on this show. I remember the days when I was in high school and my parents and teachers would just tell me to "get over it". And that's what I did. Guess what, I'm still breathing.
I did. Can you answer the question please? I just want it on record that you're a hypocrite, as is typical of the lefty millennial crowd, and only favor suicide when it's against people you don't like. Just say yes for me. Just let me know you're no better than the bullies you love to shun.
What desparation? Other than to get an answer out of you of course. Clearly you have no problem using suicide as a joke when it fits your agenda. Just admit it. Suicide is joke to you and you support it.
Of course they're bigoted assholes. Have you been keeping up with the events on Berkely and Toronto? Setting fires to these campuses whenever a speaker they don't like gives a lecture? Yanking Trump voters out of their cars in the iddle of the streets and beating them senseless? Their bigotry is a different kind of beast altogether. Where conservatives would refuse to bake you a gay wedding cake, millennial libbies would set fire to your house. You want to tell me they aren't bigoted assholes? Calling anyone who doesn't agree with them a bigot? misoginyst? sexist? Islamophobe? racist? Nazi? #literallyhitler? Every time someone doesn't do or say exactly as they want, they are then compared to one of the most ruthless tyrants in human history. You call that open-minded and empathetic? They're absolutely insane. This is what comes from a generation of coddling and weakness. "Oops someone said I have a nice ass, so that means I was raped watch me break down and kill myself over it". Pathetic.
It's derivative of eighties teen dramas like those by John Hughes and Cameron Crowe so it might appeal to middle aged people who grew up watching those... it's very dark though so I'd caution anyone who doesn't like watching heavy subject matter. It's a blend of a teen romance with something more like Less Than Zero. Good show though if you can look past the central plot contrivance.
Thanks, I've seen about half of the major entries in the John Hughes catalog. They were never huge mile markers for me, but they helped me understand other people and their cultural references. (I did really like Some Kind of Wonderful though.)
I think one of the things that I have trouble connecting with in a lot of teen-oriented properties is the way that adults are often disconnected if not completely absent. I know everyone has a different upbringing, but the adults/parents/teachers that my friends and I knew as we grew up were incredibly connected. We would never have been able to have the stereotypical huge party with tons of alcohol, loud stereos and no adults in sight. I know it really does happen, and has been happening for decades, but it's really alien to my direct experience in a smaller town, so I have trouble understanding a world of relatively autonomous teens.
It's interesting that just yesterday this came up at work. We have a stack of paperbacks (13 Reasons Why) sitting out, and one of my co-workers, a woman about 20, who is ordinarily very laidback and positive, was really vigorous in telling me how much she didn't like the show. To her, she said, it felt like revenge porn in that the main girl wanted to take shots (her words) at so many people after the fact, when no one had a chance to respond, make amends, or give a rebuttal. My co-worker said she couldn't identify with the main girl, and she felt that in some ways she'd even made her own situation worse through some of her reactions.
Again, it's not fair of me to form opinions when I haven't read it or seen it, but this was an interesting point to me. I've lost two people close to me to suicide. One was very mentally ill and the other was an addict facing prison. As sorry as I was, I could understand how they'd arrived at their decisions, even though I didn't agree with them. I've never been in a situation where someone close to me felt pushed to suicide by others and then left communication, from beyond the grave almost, that assigned blame and pointed fingers. I think that would seem in some ways like a desire to have the last word and a big exit rather than trying to resolve a situation. But then if you get to the point of suicide, you might well feel like there's no point in even trying to resolve anything anymore.
I should probably stop posting and start flipping coins to see if I'm going to watch it or not. :-)
That is how the show appears on the surface, especially in the early episodes. I think it is intentional. By the end, it is made very clear how bad an idea it is to commit suicide to get back at people.
I still think people in almost all cases are ultimately responsible for their decision to commit suicide, but it's interesting perhaps even telling that these people had such a visceral reaction to the story. I think the basic message is that everyone makes mistakes but our actions do have consequences, and to try to be mindful of your effect on the world. If you try your best, even if you occasionally fail, that's all one can ask of their fellow man/woman.
Just watch it... you can always stop if it bothers you. It is often painful to watch though.
It will affect different age groups in different ways. People who were in high school 20 years ago either knew people like these characters or were these characters. Watching it hit me in a hard way because I know I had a hand in driving at least a couple to the edge, and thankfully they never went through with it. Some years after high school, I did lose someone to drugs, because she didn't believe she deserved to be with me. I didn't understand it at the time, I thought I did something wrong. Before this show, I had already realized I needed to empathize more and not be an asshole to people. Watching this brought back that whole process I went through.
Younger folks get hooked in by the high school drama of the first few episodes, by then, they are very invested in the characters. They probably have been exposed to some of the stuff they say and do, so what may initially turn off adults is precisely what brings the younger audience in. Because kids in social situations make big deals out of things adults may consider to be trivial. I suspect they all have had suicide fantasies, where they'd do it just to see what everyone else says about them after they're gone. The last few episodes I think are designed to shatter those fantasies.
I've hit 60 and it affected me enough to recommend it to all of my children ranging from 27-41. I think it should be shown to every child entering middle school, but my son said no, entering high school is a more realistic age.
My aunt (in her 50s) recommended it to me (Late 30s). She was of the same opinion as 'nerverstandinalone' - that it should be a 'must watch' for kids in school. I agree as well (at least for the book), even though- there would be plenty who watch this, specially in a classroom environment, laughing and poking fun at the message this show/the book is trying to portray. I remember when my class went to the cinema to see "Schindler's List" - and how some classmates laught and joked around during some horrific scenes where I cried my eyes out and thinking how awful this kinda behavior was/is...
But, to get back to the subject- I have only talked to "older" people who have seen it and most liked it. The only complaints from those who didn't was that it was too dark and they prefer lighter kind of shows but that didn't prevent them from watching every episode anyway...
I'm 50 years old and I enjoyed it. I can't say I related to the type of bullying depicted as there was no social media when I was in high school, but some of the themes such as being mindful of how you treat others are universal. Also the adult characters are much more fleshed out than in the book (from what I heard) so it's not just about the kids.
I am 31 and I thought it was a good show. When I was in high school there wasn't really much cyberbullying. We were just getting started with ICQ and MSN messenger. So, that part might have been hard to relate.
However, the concept of bullying and how high school people can be pricks struck a nerve. I was a bit of an outcast like the main character. I cannot say I have fond memories of high school. It was very lonely and in my last year I was more than ready to leave.
But what I couldn't relate to was of how disconnected the parents of all the kids were. There were some jarring signs and the parents were clueless.
With Hannah herself, I'm surprised the parents didn't notice anything. Especially considering she is an only child. I am an only child myself and if I ever came close to anything like that, my parents would pick it up instantly.
Maybe it is because my parents are boomers and these parents are Gen X. But how can you seriously not notice your child is boozing?
A lot of parents don't consider booze to be a big issue for some stupid reason. Then their whiny brat gets blasted at a party and wonders why rapes happen. So dumb. We live in a society of idiots. We have a whiner for a president, who always cries that people are mean or unfair to him. It sends the signal to the American people that we are a country of victims.