Endgames?


I didn't hate the couples who ended up together but I would have preferred an ending more in line with the direction we were heading a season ago.

So who are your ideal choices for endgame?

I would have liked:

AB/Lavon
Lemon/George*
Wade/Zoe*--I'm fine with

(*my biggest desire was Wade/Lemon but that would take a good couple of seasons to develop properly)

A rose is just a rose.

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I actually loved Wade and Zoe together. For some reason it was hard for me to decide between AB/Lavon or AB and George. I liked George with Tansy but this was when Zoe still battled feelings for George and it got old after a while.

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Really, Lemon and Wade? I don't know how much support you'll get for that pairing. I like them as friends but I never, ever saw them as a viable, potential couple. I can't see Wade putting up with her bossing him around like she does. She likes men who will basically just do whatever the heck she wants them to do, like George did for a long time, and like Lavon no doubt is willing to do.

I loved Wade and Zoe together. I really did think they were good for each other and made each other better, more well rounded people. Wade got Zoe to loosen up while Zoe got Wade to grow up.

I agree with you on AB and Lavon. I really liked them together and would have loved to have seen them end up together but sadly it was never going to happen because the EP always loved Lavon and Lemon.

I never really liked anyone they had George with, with the possible exception of the very short lived Presley in season 2. I am not a Tansy fan and did not enjoy her with George at all although she was slightly better than the awful Lynly! He and AB could maybe have been cute but we didn't get to have any sort of build up to them as a couple so it's hard to know. The other problem with them is that I feel like putting them together is giving AB another one of Lemon's castoffs and I like AB too much to think of her as only getting what Lemon doesn't want anymore.

As for Lemon, I wasn't crazy about any of her relationships either. I never understood the fan love (or EP love) for Lemon and Lavon but again, maybe if we had seen more of it I could have gotten on board. The closest they came to finding someone I liked her with was the short lived Peter thing.

I actually think a reunited Lemon and George could have worked. They've both grown up, changed, they've been in other relationships, seen what else is out there. I think it could have worked to have them find their way back to each other.

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Really, Lemon and Wade? I don't know how much support you'll get for that pairing. I like them as friends but I never, ever saw them as a viable, potential couple.


Haha, yeah, I know the support would be minimal (there is a minor fanbase on Tumblr for the couple though) but that's why I'd want potentially 3-4 more seasons to develop it. It would have to start with some random drunken hook up and then, while they're with other people, they'd realize they had more intimate feelings for each other (in my mind).

I saw Lemon and Wade as each other's number 1 fans and support systems. I know the friendship turned to lovers trope is old (and I rarely, rarely support it), but this was a case where I just immediately saw it working. After Wade cheated on Zoe, I was somewhat permanently turned off from Wade/Zoe and I didn't really buy season 4 with Zoe trusting Wade again. Idk, maybe it was the writing, but I needed more. While as with Lemon, she already knew what his flaws were and he was changing himself *while* he was with her (by opening that business together, and then going their own separate ways). She never really judged him for his flaws, like Zoe does; instead she's there for him while he works on himself. They were also together for the biggest events of each other's lives (his/her business, relationships), in a way that neither Lavon nor Zoe had been.

Yes, Lemon was bossy as hell, but Wade knew how to push back and when to push back. That to me was good for both Lemon and for Wade. He agreed to faking it as her boyfriend because he knew she needed it but doesn't agree to all her crazy schemes. He sacrificed his position in that contest for her because he knew it was the right thing to do. I know Zoe is credited for making Wade grow as a person, and I agree that she is (hell, I was the biggest Zoe/Wade fan back in s1-2) but I think Lemon is a more realistic presence in his life. Zoe was the Ideal, and he f-cked up because he couldn't handle it, while as Lemon was the best friend and Real. I could see Wade in 15 years somewhat resenting Zoe for whatever it is she's made him change about himself, while as I don't see that with Lemon? Bc he wouldn't be trying as hard (to the detriment of himself) to please her; they'd compromise more.

Sorry that was so long! Lemon/Wade was just something I felt so strongly about in its earliest scenes that I've had a lot to say.

But anyways I 100% agree about Lemon/Lavon--I never saw the reason for that storyline. And I like the idea of Lemon/George the same reason you listed. They both grew, w some well needed time apart, but they always had that chemistry and historical bond that made me believe theyd find their way back to each other.
I don't hate George/AB because they wrote the story well enough but I can't help but be bitter of how they were the leftovers.

A rose is just a rose.

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Hmmm, I have to disagree that Lemon never judged Wade for his "flaws"(I prefer to think of them as short comings), she was pretty dismissive and condescending to him in season 1. She did get better later on in the series, largely because she was exposed to a life she had never lived before (she finally had an idea of what Wade's life has been like since he was pretty young, having to support himself). She had been publicly humiliated by being left at the alter, had to get a job for the first time in her whole life with no experience or practical skills, lived on her own for the first time ever, basically she had been knocked down a peg which I think she desperately needed. She still went running to her father for a hand out when she needed money though so she was still the spoiled little rich girl deep down at the end of season 2. She evolved slowly but she was certainly not accepting of Wade as he was from the get go.

I know there are people who were never able to get on board with Zoe/Wade after the cheating and if it was real life I probably would agree but on a tv show, with the reasons behind it, I was able to see them getting past what happened when they were together the first time. I do agree though that it wasn't handled the best. I think they had to rush it because of Rachel's pregnancy. Leila Gerstein said in a pod cast that they had decided about mid way through season 2 that the George/Zoe thing wasn't going to happen and eventually Wade and Zoe would get back together but I think she had to speed up the process when Rachel got pregnant because she wasn't going to have Zoe have a baby with anyone but Wade. I didn't care for how they had Zoe all of a sudden deciding she loved Wade when they really hadn't spent much time together. I would have liked to have seen them spending more time together as friends so her deciding that she did love him, and was past the cheating, would have felt more natural. As for Wade, I don't think he ever stopped loving Zoe so it wasn't hard at all for me to believe he would be on board but I liked that he was a little hesitant because she had hurt him too.

As for Zoe changing Wade, I don't really agree that Zoe changed him so much as Wade grew up. Before Zoe came into his life he was still acting like a teenager/frat boy. He was staying up late, playing music, drinking, sleeping around, had a job but not a career. He really didn't have much focus or purpose or direction in his life. He knew he needed to start acting like an adult not just to be with Zoe but for his own good too, and being with Zoe who herself is very driven, was the push he needed but I don't believe Zoe changed him. For that reason I don't see Wade resenting Zoe down the line because her coming into his life allowed him to have a life he didn't really let himself believe he deserved or would ever have. Wade hasn't really had a family since his mother died because her death tore his family apart. Earl became a drunk and was emotionally unavailable to the boys, Jesse took off right after high school so he wouldn't have to deal with Earl, and Wade was left taking care of Earl on his own. Zoe coming into his life, and then having their baby, has given Wade a family again for the first time in 20 years! I also think after everything that happened with them that Wade took Zoe down off the pedestal he had her up on and that helped them to have a healthier relationship.

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Lemon with Wade could be interesting... :)

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