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Adaland did not rape Nick


She did what men have been doing for years, she lied to get in his pants. If Nick was a minor then yes it would be rape but Nick is a grown man. Was it morally wrong yes it was. If lying and deception was the standard for rape then 90% of the male population would be in jail.

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oh no, not again. :(

My counter argument is that I'm offended.

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regardless Nicks over it and he loves his son so it is mute to argue over it they moved on and are together both committed to raising a family and building a future.

plus he really really really enjoyed banging Juliette in Adalinds form so much so he hooked up with the real deal. =;


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I know they are happy and I hope Nick and Adaland end up together. I'm sick of people calling Adaland a rapist. Nick and Adaland were at war with each other and all is fair in love and war.

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Yes she did rape him. She deceived him into having sex with her, by transforming herself into Juliette's image.






I am Judge! Jury! and Executioner!

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Deception is not rape. Was it unethical and morally wrong yes. But that is not rape.

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So if a man's identical twin sleeps with his wife or girlfriend pretending to be his brother you wouldn't consider that rape?

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I don't think it would be deemed as rape but rather sexual assault. Not every sexual assault is rape but every rape is sexual assault.

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That's not called rape. You're describing a different crime. If you consent to having sex, which Nick did, you aren't raped. If you go to a costume party and have sex with someone wearing a mask because you thought it was your significant other, you weren't raped - sex was offered and you consented. Rape is a horrible crime that involves the victim not consenting to the sexual contact. Nick consented. He was tricked, yes, but he consented to engage in sexual activity. He was not raped. There is no "rape by trick" or "rape by fraud" statute. Being tricked into willingly having sex is a battery, an unpermitted touching. Stop saying she raped him.

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Thank you that was worded perfectly.

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That's not called rape. You're describing a different crime.
Totally agree.
If you consent to having sex, which Nick did, you aren't raped.
Yeah, technically, I don't think Nick consented to that first act.

While some lazy reporters say Julian Assange faces rape charges what he is actually suspected of doing is tricking multiple women into thinking he was being monogamous with them, at the same time. My prediction? The anglosphere will move towards the Swedish model...

Here is a question about that episode... On the car ride to Rosalee and Munroe's wedding Nick and Juliet figure out that Nick banged Adalind, while she looked like Juliet, and he thought she was Juliet.

Juliet is angry, furious. My recollection is that Nick rolled with it, not realizing it would strip him of his Grimm-ness. My recollection is that Juliet was furious, shockingly unreasonably furious -- with Nick. Since Nick was deceived, why was Juliet so furious?

Was it that she realized that he was way more enthusiastic about this most recent act of coitus, than he had ever been when it was really Juliet and Nick? Was it jealousy, because Adalind satisfied him in ways she was incapable of doing?

Was this foreshadowing that Adalind would take Juliet's place as Nick's gal?

Some people, including maybe Grimm's writers, say no real man can ever be raped, because all real men are ready for, um, action, anytime, any place, anywhom. It is a terrible meme, of course.

Some people mocked the Guantanamo captives who complained about female interrogators sexually assaulting them. And I would ask them to consider being a straight man captive, being interrogated by a sexually aggressive male interrogator. Does the any action, anytime, any place, anywhom rule apply then?

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only that real world law does not take illusions into count, which is a whole different deal, but real world law does consider rape if you have sex with someone under the influence of a hallucinogen, even under the influence of alcohol, which would be a parallel to this case.

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That is not parallel to this case. The problem with alcohol is that the person giving consent has been rendered impaired and not able to actually give consent. Nick was not drugged or under any influence. He was completely sober and 100% in control of his faculties. He was very legally able to give consent. He thought she was someone else, but he wanted to have sex with the woman in the room with him. He consented to having sex with the woman in the room with him. He thought it was Juliet, but it wasn't. Oops.

Look, if a girl has sex with a man and then later it turns out the girl is underage, he can't say she raped him. He can't say: "Well, I thought she was 18 and that's the only reason I gave consent. She tricked me; therefore, she raped me." Good luck with that in court.

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you make for a lousy lawyer

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^^
This

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Then Juliette/Eve is also a rapist by this standard because she had sex with Renard's mistress (can't remember her name) while in Sean's form.

But for the record, I don't think either case was one of rape.

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her name was Rachel Wood did they have sex? it's not like you can fake it like a woman you really have to be in to it to get the plumping pumping you know so in less Juliette was in to Rachel she would have issues that make it hard to ignore.

If the mind is iffy you don't get a stiffy.....

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her name was Rachel Wood did they have sex?
I think Juliette masquerading as Renard started to make woopy with Renard's g.f., but didn't actually, um, rise to the occasion.

Renard's g.f. thought she was Renard, which would make Juliet more guilty than Julian Assange.
it's not like you can fake it like a woman you really have to be in to it to get the plumping pumping you know so in less Juliette was in to Rachel she would have issues that make it hard to ignore.
Maybe this is true for ordinary human males... But is it true for those who possess supernatural powers, including telekinesis? Maybe, in an emergency, they can summon up some telekinpenis?

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Totally agreed

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And here men, we've got a feminazi speaking.

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Oh rush, is that you?? Poor man.

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