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Construction vs. Cosmetics


One of the things that has surprised me on this show is the relative cost of what seems to be substantial construction compared to the cost of superficial decoration that, in the end, adds nothing to the value of the house.

Very often, Jonathan finds some major structural problem, like a floor on the verge of the collapse, and presents it to the owners in very grave tones. Given the build-up, you expect him to say that it's going to cost thousands of dollars and greatly reduce the scope of the "reno." But, no. After looking suitably serious and sorry, he says, "this will cost [dramatic pause] $1,500." $1,500! That's nothing! The granite countertops for the kitchen cost four times that much.

I've never done a renovation. How realistic is this?

Also, if it's accurate, it shows how inflated the cost of renovations are by stuff like unnecessarily high-end appliances (why would an ordinary family "need" a chef's kitchen?) and granite countertops (which will look dated in a few years when the next fad comes along). These things do not add long-term value to the house because, no matter great the appliances are now, they age like any other appliances, and the fashion in kitchen and bathroom finishings comes and goes.

Don't misunderstand - I love seeing the final outcome of PB renovations. I think the designers generally do a good job - especially on the kitchens - but often the owners spend an awful lot of money for stuff that will not yield a long-term return.

(Mind you, I totally covet quartz - so much nicer than granite, IMO - countertops, Viking stoves, and French door, bottom freezer refrigerators myself, so I'm not criticizing anybody.)

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Well I am no construction guy, but I can tell you that when you pay high dollars for a renovation, of any kind, you're paying 90% labor.

And if Jonathan and his crew are doing it for free...or at a big discount, then that's why you're seeing those prices.

I removed a big wall on our main floor to give our home open concept. Took about 6 hours with electrical, and maybe $40 for some new wiring. I got a quote from one company, and they wanted $1500 for it.

To put in a really nice island, we'd be looking at well over $1000.

So yeah...the cosmetics and nice materials cost a lot compared to demoing.

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Realistically, kitchens and bathrooms are what sell houses. So, does an "average" family "need" a gourmet kitchen? No, of course not, but they look nice and are fun to cook on so that's what people want.

I'm one person and I have a beautiful kitchen which, while certainly not a chef's kitchen, is a high-end kitchen with granite countertops. Granite is a big thing in and around the area where I live. I chose granite because it's what I wanted (it's heat-resistant, relatively chip-resistant,etc., which is why I cringe whenever I watch these shows and they pass up granite for marble. Marble should only be used in a kitchen if you're a pastry chef and are looking to make chocolates, etc. It is NOT heat resistant at all and will retain "scars" from pans and other items placed upon it) though, not because it's fashionable.

And when I went looking for granite, I managed to find three beautiful slabs of black granite with white, rust color, and red strewn throughout, reminding me of starscapes in space, in the boneyard, rather than inside the shop, which saved me a considerable amount of money. I find it interesting that when people do shows like this and talk about cost-saving where they can, not a single reno person talks about looking in the boneyard at a granite shop. You can find good stuff at very reasonable prices by doing so.

Oh, and I disagree with you regarding quartz over granite. Granite is much nicer looking (to me) than quartz, and holds up much better. I also can't stand bottom freezers, though. I much prefer side by side, and when I needed new appliances I chose a Thermador Fridge/Freezer, which I got VERY LUCKY and got upgraded for free to a Gagenau Fridge/Freezer (they're owned by the same company) because the freezer for the Thermador wasn't ready when my kitchen was (would have been another three weeks) so the representative for the company chose to upgrade me to Gagenau to make up for it. If you're not familiar with Gagenau, Google/Bing it. I'm very grateful to have it, but never could have afforded it if I had to purchase it on my own, lol. As to dishwashers? I don't really have a preference. At the time I was looking at new ones, they all pretty much sucked thanks to the new "Energy Star" requirements, and none of them dry the dishes properly. *sigh* This was back in 2010 though, so I'm hoping that this flaw in dishwashers have been addressed since then.

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We are lucky that the house we bought still has its original early 1950s kitchen. I love the design and materials and wouldn't change a thing. Sorry Jonathan, you can take your waterfall quartz countertop, brass faucet, silver stove with gigantic knobs, fake-wood flooring, and vinyl windows and load them back on the truck.

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