I really don't care about the politics. I don't care if actors are white, black or blue. This was a just a bad movie IMHO. That's it.
Of course you do which is why you're protesting so much that you don't.
But as opinions go you have shared yours and have the opportunity to read the opinions of others, many others and are in that small fringe that differs so wildly that you'd think you'd want to add some context, nuance or substance to explain why your opinion is about YOU and not about the movie.
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I mean, really?? So you need a superhero to be of your color to enjoy his/her movie? How ridiculous is that? So now they should a super hero for every state of India for so that the people here can enjoy their movies.
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Who said that you need to be a superhero of your color to enjoy his/her movie? This is apparently what irritates you? The fact that someone else is enjoying the movie for their own reason annoys you?
Clearly there are movies in India (ahem Bollywood) that appeal to the sensibilities, likes, fashion and cultural aspects of all parts of India? No? Yes? Do you dislike them? Did M'Baku evoking the name Hanuman and then being censored in India offend you or something? That is IF you saw the film in India. Did you even see the film Black Panther?
Was it translated and you found it hard to understand?
You very much care about the politics and the social aspects of the film very much. Just be intellectually honest. This is the internet.
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subratjain1 (203)
7 years ago
Wow!! It seems I somehow have offended you by not liking this stupid movie. I apologize if I have said something inappropriate.
You keep putting words in my mouth that I have never spoken or never will. To answer a few of your questions:
1. I absolutely hate bollywood movies even though I am an Indian. I find them distasteful and badly made.
2. I also hate dubbed movies and prefer to watch them with english susbtitles. I watched BP in english, which I am pretty fluent in.
3. Why would M'baku calling upon hanuman offend me man? Me and the fellow watchers were a bit puzzled at it though.
4. You said "The fact that someone else is enjoying the movie for their own reason annoys you?" The answer is yest it does a bit. If you say that you enjoyed the movie just because it was filmed with an African backdrop, I find it a little irritating. I would have felt the same even if it was said in an Indian context.
I still don't understand why people get so hyper if someone doesn't agree with them. That being said, this isn't a question I want to ask you. So please don't reply to this assuming that.
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NorrinRad (5470)
7 years ago
Who said I was offended? And I am neither triggered nor "Hyper". I merely replied to your post and asked you a few questions, quit civilly I might add. Additionally I really appreciated you answering. Hate is a VERY strong word and it is sad to hear that you HATE Bollywood movies. I've seen a couple and they are done for a particular audience so I understand WHY the Bollywood movies are the way they are. I am a fan of both sub-titled and dubbed movies but prefer Sub-titles.
As to the M'Baku censorship: http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/black-panther/news/a850526/black-panther-single-word-censored-india/ the link provides some background which I assumed rather wrongly that you would be familiar and or sensitive to the so-called controversy. You and your friends being puzzled by the reference might be indicative of a lack of understanding of the broad based mythology of the fictional setting of Wakanda making enjoyment of the movie BP a bit elusive for some?
I still don't get why you and some others are annoyed that someone else enjoys a movie for whatever the reason that they enjoy the movie. Mentioning the backdrop of Africa as the root of some of that annoyance is quite irrational. The first Godzilla movie was made for a Japanese audience and the backdrop was Japan for a reason. If the movie was made in Karachi, Pakistan it would have lost all meaning and resonance for the people of Japan and the rest of the world. Godzilla being an allegory about Nuclear Weapons and guilt.
Clearly BP is not enjoyed just because it was filmed with an African Backdrop. That's you inserting your limited understanding of those that enjoy the movie and the reasons they enjoyed it onto your own annoyance scale. Still, hating a movie filmed in China for the people of China to enjoy is a silly misuse of hate. But you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own set of facts.
You are also entitled to your own set of misconceptions. Trying to help you.
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subratjain1 (203)
7 years ago
Well, there's no use arguing with a hard core fan. I surrender bro!! You are correct, I definitely am a dimwitted blind frog in a well for not liking this piece of crap.
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NorrinRad (5470)
7 years ago
Well, there's no use arguing with a hard core fan. I surrender bro!! You are correct, I definitely am a dimwitted blind frog in a well for not like this piece of crap.
False contriteness is not a good look and neither is self flagellation. I am not sure what I am allegedly a hard core fan of but I will concede you lack the courage of conviction to what you say.
You're arguing and at odds with yourself but unable or maybe unwilling to defend your own statements with any, what's the word I'm looking for again, oh yeah, conviction. I have no idea what being a dim witted blind frog in a well even means. But so be it. Enlightenment is not a curse but an opportunity to accept a gift. Maybe you could have opened my eyes to see what you see. Oops not possible given that you self-describe as the blind frog.
Seriously, I'm not your Bro. I'm also not your, Man. Too funny.
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Otter (24464)
7 years ago
May I give you some advice, Subratjain, just on the grounds of being older than you?
It's very simple: Don't waste your energy disapproving of other people's harmless preferences, such as enjoying movies for silly reasons. There are too many horrible things in this cruel world to waste a moment's indignation on something so trivial and harmless! Especially if it's something enjoyable. There isn't enough joy in the world, never disapprove of totally harmless pleasures.
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NorrinRad (5470)
7 years ago
What??!!! No free advice for me??!!
Question for you Otter: Do you think that those people who have enjoyed and or like BP like or enjoy the movie for "Silly Reasons"? Not drawing you out or setting up a confrontation but to me your response to Subratjain allows for the minimization or even trivializes why people like what they like.
If you've never seen the youtube reviews for Movie Bob a good one to peruse and ruminate on his one for BP. It embraces your comment of
There are too many horrible things in this cruel world to waste a moment's indignation on something so trivial and harmless! Especially if it's something enjoyable. There isn't enough joy in the world, never disapprove of totally harmless pleasures.
.. and he adds his thoughts on authenticity and agency. No one is suggesting that no one can't hold a negative review of a movie; and BP is not exempt from negative reviews and negative opinions. But there should be a degree of objectivity applied which allows for the reviewer and the audience reading the person's thoughts or opinions to put the conversation into context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVgNSLpiM2E be patient and watch the whole video.
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Otter (24464)
7 years ago
Dude, I like ALL the Marvel Films for "silly reasons"! They're full of action, bad jokes, ray guns, CGI monsters, fake spectacle, hot men in spandex, Loki being a bitch, and everything else that's anathema to the serious-minded and self-important. I work in the helping professions and have to deal with real tragedies every single time I go to work, so I'm a huge proponent of harmless fun and silliness and think the world would be a better place if everyone had more of both.
As for advice to you, I suppose it's this: Lighten the fuck up and let yourself enjoy life while you can, because you never know when you'll be dealing with me on a professional basis.
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NorrinRad (5470)
7 years ago
As for advice to you, I suppose it's this: Lighten the fuck up and let yourself enjoy life while you can, because you never know when you'll be dealing with me on a professional basis.
As you are an adult I will respect your profession and your earnestness in helping. I have an adult sister who is MR and I have siblings who work with MR and developmentally disabled individuals (thus my aversion for the use of the term "Retarded" which I find highly offensive and which I offer up not because it was used but to provide some perspective).
Your offering to me to "Lighten the fuck up" is so patently off base and in the same breath enormously funny to me that I could only shake my head because you're not joking. From your POV and profession that is the oddest way to give advice. When you know better you do better and each day is an opportunity to "Know" more.
Live, Love, Laugh and continue Learning.
P.S. Did you at least give the Movie Bob video a fair shot?
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