The computer scientist dies and gets his conciousness transferred into a robot. Despite the complete lack of sense it's disturbing to see a person become a robot and just goes on with his new life like it's nothing.
I'd like to know how kids reacted to this, anyone can testify?
The computer scientist dies and gets his conciousness transferred into a robot.
Despite the complete lack of sense. . .
. . .it's disturbing to see a person become a robot. . .
. . .and just goes on with his new life like it's nothing.
I'd like to know how kids reacted to this, anyone can testify?
Dude getting cut in half by Moose was more disturbing than the end.
shareNinja's outfit with the little shorts and child's dolphin sweatshirt was one of the most disturbing things in the film. Possibly more so than the gory bits. I love how Ninja threw up a bit when his friends upper torso bounced off the wall though. Classy. You don't see that enough in pictures these days.
shareAll the penis graffiti everywhere was a bit disturbing as well.
shareAll the penis graffiti everywhere was a bit disturbing as well.
It's a bit disturbing when you consider that they didn't really transplant their consciousness. They simply made a copy of it and put it into a machine. Dions dead
shareYou are missing the underlying "success" that Deon had in creating code that established true AI and consciousness.
At that point the "being" in question continues to think, feel and evolve the same as a human.
So although at that instance it downloaded a copy of his entire consciousness it just continued to "live" on. The disturbing part would be if Deon didn't die since then you would have two of the same being, although over time they would evolve more and more differently based on experiences.
Theologically it is disturbing for anyone thinking that deeply about it, since you are faced with the question: can a soul be neurotransferred.
Deon DID die ... his body went limp when Chappie executed the transfer.
It wasn't a copy of his consciousness ... it was Deon's actual consciousness getting transferred like so much electricity.
At least that's what the film clearly implies IMHO. Chappie was just that smart, with his rapidly evolving brain.
Honestly it doesn't really matter whether it's a transfer or a copy, the end result is the same.
shareEverytime science fiction touches the topos of the migration of a human being, body and "consciousness" (just to adopt the name used in the movie, without any wish of going deeper into the matter), the same problem arises, even with Star Trek's teletransportation: the matter forming the subject is actually destroyed, or, at least, decomposed, clearly signifiyng that the subject technically DIES in the process. At the same time a NEW subject (sometimes more than one, see the "Second Chances" episode of TNG) is "copied" and lives on. This is a materialistic approach, but if one considers the human being as made of matter and immaterial "soul", then the soul transfer could not be accomplished, by definition, with a material machinery and the proposition simply becomes absurd.
OTOH, everyone waking up from deep sleep or anesthesia, having had her/his "consciousness" "switched off" for some time, could not say whether [s]he is "the original" being or a good copy.
I find much more incredible that Dions is able to move his new body with good coordination after just a couple of seconds, but, as a very low level scientist, I've lost very soon any wish of scrutinizing science fiction works from this point of view.
Everytime science fiction touches the topos of the migration of a human being, body and "consciousness" (just to adopt the name used in the movie, without any wish of going deeper into the matter), the same problem arises, even with Star Trek's teletransportation: the matter forming the subject is actually destroyed, or, at least, decomposed, clearly signifiyng that the subject technically DIES in the process. At the same time a NEW subject (sometimes more than one, see the "Second Chances" episode of TNG) is "copied" and lives on. This is a materialistic approach, but if one considers the human being as made of matter and immaterial "soul", then the soul transfer could not be accomplished, by definition, with a material machinery and the proposition simply becomes absurd.
OTOH, everyone waking up from deep sleep or anesthesia, having had her/his "consciousness" "switched off" for some time, could not say whether [s]he is "the original" being or a good copy.
I find much more incredible that Dions is able to move his new body with good coordination after just a couple of seconds, but, as a very low level scientist, I've lost very soon any wish of scrutinizing science fiction works from this point of view.
I love how Ninja threw up a bit when his friends upper torso bounced off the wall though. Classy. You don't see that enough in pictures these days.
Well it isn't like there was a lot of choice. It was either transfer his consciousness into a robot or die permanently. What did you want? A 10 minute scene of him mourning over his dead body when the police are breaking the door down?
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His consciousness wasn't transferred though, it was copied and uploaded to a robot. The original consciousness died with Deon.
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We don't know that Deon's consciousness was only copied.
Deon could've copied Chappie when his battery ran out, but he knew it would only be a copy and didn't want to lie to his creation.
Then Chappie claimed that he'd "solved" the problem of consciousness transfer.
THEN ... we see the transfer occur and (this is crucial) Deon's body goes immediately limp when the transfer starts. So does Chappie's body.
That's NOT what would happen if they were only copying their minds.
The implication is Chappie was smart enough to decrypt consciousness as a form of energy, effectively making it possible to move a "soul" from body to body and, in his own words, live forever.
As an adult, I would rationally conclude that Deon, the computer scientist, had experienced 'first hand' how emergence occurred through observing Chappie. When it became his turn, he had a framework in memory and consciousness to support him. As he was dying, he was aware of the effort to copy his consciousness and upload to a robot. Therefore, the transition should not have been upsetting as you might think.
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If you think that's disturbing, watch the alternate ending. It's worse! It's pretty much the same but all the deactivated robots become Chappies and then they take over the world's factories and start mass producting/multiplying to insane numbers, plus they make a giant Chappie the size of buildings. So glad they didn't use that at the end. Not only is it more disturbing in terms of the story, it's just silly otherwise.
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