Rosie, again
If this is set in Melbourne, who do I contact to have her taken out. Any of the Underbelly mob that aren't in jail that will do it cheap. I'm quite serious, her character really gets a rise from me.
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Yeah, but he might know someone who knows someone.
shareI've known people like Rosie. I call them Professional Victims, as they get their whole sense of self from being a victim to some Big Bad Guy.
Honestly, Harry is a bully and a wife-beater, but he's not worth alienating a friend in order to maintain sense of `being wronged'.
Rosie really riled me also when she got up and stormed out of the coffee shop. Some friend she turned out to be. She had no empathy for the difficult situation Aisha was in. She was all `me, me, me!!'
As I said in another post, I don't understand why they are still friends with her. I don't care how long they've known each other, what positives do they get from being friends with her? She just uses everybody and when they try to help her look how she repays them! After the trial Shamira and even Manolis tried to comfort her and she told them to *beep* OFF because things didn't go her way. Nice!
shareI don't know. I intensely dislike Rosie in many ways (had to turn the sound down when she was on last night) and I do agree with you that she's so whiny and self-centred and narcisstic that I certainly wouldn't want to keep her on as a friend but with the whole Shamira and Manolis thing, it's kind of understandable. Presumably unbeknownst to Shamira, her husband has just given Rosie a very strong command to avoid his family and not have any contact with them -which, again, is understandable given her behavior -but it's kind of the pretext for Rosie not having any further contact with her. And in her melodramatic, over-excited mind, she associates Manolis with the evil monster who had the audacity to abuse her precious son who can never do anything wrong so I'm not surprised she rebuffed his advances, as much as I thought she acted like a jerk in doing so
Perhaps Rosie wasn't always like this. I know people who have been completely transformed in personality once they've had children in ways you couldn't imagine -although, unlike Rosie, it's been for the better in their cases. Perhaps the Rosie they know now wasn't the Rosie that they knew growing up.
Yes, you make a valid point about how people can change. So we have to look at how she is NOW. On one of the first posts I made on this board, I said if I had friends that had such a misbehaved feral kid like Hugo, I simply wouldn't invite them. I lay the blame more at his parents rather than Hugo. Even without the events of the day leading to 'the slap', he was a little terror! He touched and broke things inside the house, Harry's prized CDs, the game controller, was running amok inside the house and outside when he was pulling up the plants. He wasn't playing nicely with the other kids, in fact he was being really bothersome to everybody! So why would I have some one like that to an occasion that should be an enjoyable one. I know he will just spoil it as he did, and why? because his mother is my 'friend' who certainly doesn't act like one. So to appease one person I have to disregard the feelings of so many others?. Not likely!
On the other thing, Bilal didn't tell Rosie to stay away from his family until after the trial, that night. Shimira was trying to comfort her at the court saying 'she just didn't believe it' (the verdict) and Rosie just says to her 'will you stop saying that', virtually telling her to shut up.
[Shimira was trying to comfort her at the court saying 'she just didn't believe it' (the verdict) and Rosie just says to her 'will you stop saying that', virtually telling her to shut up.
That was annoying.
because his mother is my 'friend' who certainly doesn't act like one.
Its a small fraction of a lifetime of knowing and befreinding someone. Rosie as she is now is not how she was always and Aisha and Rosie have always been good, loyal and supportive of each other.
Also, I am sure Rosie has been a better friend to Aisha than Hector has been a husband to her
Also is my friends have naughty children i wouldnt NOT invite them....thats ust rude, it is like saying- 'your kid is naughty, look at my kids....they are so good, why cant your kids be like mine.' Its patronizing.
The last bit wasn't about comparing the naughty kid to my 'good' children. Most kids can be naughty at any time but you teach them to behave when in other people's home and you teach them to respect other people's property. You do know that destroying other people's property is a criminal offense, so how long do you let them get away with it? Oh, of course until they are 18 because until then you can't hold them legally responsible. Hugo wasn't just naughty, he was feral destroying everything. Maybe Hector should have sued his parents for the cost of the property he destroyed, a civil matter, but still.
Also, I am sure Rosie has been a better friend to Aisha than Hector has been a husband to her
I haven't seen that at all (not interested in what's in the book), I asked what positives is there to being Rosie's friend but I haven't received any answers.
Regarding Hector, do you think she should side with her friend over her husband? and continually fight with him and his family? Oh yes that sounds good as long as she is loyal to her friend, right. At least Aisha came to her senses over that one in the end.
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I seem to have gotten my sequence of events mixed up -you're right, the scene between Bilal and Rosie was after the court appearance.
I'm guessing that the relationship between Aisha and Rosie is based more on what they had in the past and the memories of what it used to be like between them than it is on what it's like between them in the present. Aisha remembers the good times with Rosie and, even though Rosie has become a totally different person, Aisha still remembers how it used to be and, during a time when she's in an unhappy marriage and stressed by the demands of work and motherhood, Rosie represents a throwback to a much happier time. Therefore she has a slight tendency to look at Rosie through rose-tinted glasses and to ignore her shortcomings and the fact that things are no longer what they used to be. She invites her to the barbecue probably partly because she feels they don't see enough of each other but, also probably more crucially, because she wants to have the full moral support of her friends to balance out the stress and the pressure of having to deal with Hector's family -particularly the overbearing and manipulative mother-in-law and Harry, whom she hates because of what he's done to Sandy in the past.
From what little I remember of the book, in addition to having been exposed consistently to Hugo's bad behavior due to her close friendship with Rosie, Aisha has also babysat Hugo in the past and he's proved a handful when he has been under her care. So she's fully aware of what he's like but she's still judging him from the perspective of being the son of her dearly beloved friend and, if he's the price she has to pay for more quality time with her Rosie, than he comes as part of the package. She allows sentimentality to overrule her good judgment and indulges Rosie and Hugo much more than she should. So that's why Hugo's at the barbecue The slap gives her a wake up call and forces her to face some unpleasant truths about both mother and son.
That's the way I see it anyway
That seems like a pretty good interpretation of how things stand.
It's amazing how much this little ol' TV Series has got such emotional and passionate responses from posters here. I put it down to the overall excellent production and some amazing acting from just about everybody (and I guess the plot counts for something). I hope it gets it's due rewards come Logie Night. We'll have to wait and see!
Rosie was a good friend to Aisha and represented a time when Aisha was happy.
Whats wrong with a woman being happy and having friends who made her happy? Rosie was a good friend to Aisha....the bit u see in the show is a small fraction of a long friendship
have u never fought with a friend ? upset a friend? got into a disagreement?
which case u r lucky/unlucky depending on how u look like it. Friends fight, i always thought that was inevitable when people form bonds.
As for Rosie....she is a good mother. She may not be perfect and she may be too giving of Hugo but she loves and cares for him. Gary and her are trying to make a new life for him and love him dearly.
As a social worker we look at three phases- one is whether the child is fed, clothed and taken care of. Second is if the parents are providing a stable environment (which they are since Rosie said Gary hs stopped drinking, they are moving home and are trying to be happy and give Hugo security) and the third is intellectual stimulated- are the parents spending time with the child, giving him access to education and stimualting him. Rosie reads to Hugo and spends time with him, which makes him very lucky.
Gary and Rosie will not even be considered unsuitable as parents. Sure they make mistakes, no parent is perfect but they are doing the best they can and good on them.