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As a rural Nebraska native...


I can't explain to you how accurate this film was. Dern's wife could've been a carbon copy of my mother. Some of the ways she phrased things were exactly like my mom would. It was uncanny. Unlike Will Forte's character, I lived in my small, decaying town until college (when I went to college in Lincoln). Some shared experiences of mine:
-Discussion about how long it took me to drive home
-The questions about what car I drove
-"Like hell you are!"
-Wandering through an abandoned farmhouse, we used to do this as kids to find places to get drunk and to scare ourselves for fun
-Uncomfortable talks with people who used to date my parents
-The town paper looked exactly like mine, outside and in and it was also run by an old couple
-The lack of youth! This was spot on. Most of rural Nebraska is leaving because there aren't any jobs, nor anything to do. When I go home over holidays, my friends and I go to the bar (not bars, we only have one) and the age range is about 23-30 (people back for the holidays) and 60+.
-Dislike of foreign automobiles

I saw it with some Californians and there were so many other jokes that I couldn't explain to my friends. While I know this movie is polarizing, I can't help but laud Alexander Payne, who I oft criticize, for really capturing rural Nebraska.

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Yep. My viewpoint was confirmed again this past weekend.
This movie is an exaggeration. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't get why we can't just admit that it's an exaggeration. Yes, there are dying towns. Yes, there are towns with more old folks than young folks. This movie exaggerates them.

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There just might be a different bar in town that the "younger" patrons prefer. Crazy, right?

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Right. Ever been to "It ain't the end of the world, but you can see it from here" Nebraska? A church, a gas station, a grain elevator and a bar. That's about it. Maybe a grocery store.

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I agree with you onhusk. Both of my parents were born and raised in a small town not far from where this movie was filmed. They moved in 63. I spent many a summer back in their hometown and this film was going back to visit family in NE Nebraska. You list is exactly the list I was making in my head during the movie. The one thing I would add is scene at the cemetery. We always went there while visiting and would hear the stories about the dead. They usually weren't quite as colorful as Kate's stories.

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Actually I heard the worst things about my relatives at their graves, a lot like that. It's sort of like respecting their humanity by admitting their fault.

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Oh, they would share the "dirt" just didn't use the colorful language like Kate.

Also loved the line about the Catholics/Lutherns. My family is Lutheran and my Mom's younger sister married a Catholic and they got married in the Catholic Church, it was quite the drama!!!

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My mother (who was raised rural but in Missouri, rather than Nebraska) and I saw it and enjoyed it. Being Black and White really made it very low-key, like the first rewire mentions.,

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Same here, Kambo. I went to my father's hometown cemetery with my aunt and she told one interesting story after another while pointing to graves. One that particularly stuck with me was one about her aunt who'd been married to a man named "Jones" in the early 1900's. Mr. "Jones" was a disabled Spanish American War veteran who drew a disability pension. After he died, the aunt collected his pension as long as she did not remarry. When a wealthy bachelor "Smith" came available, she simply moved in with him without formally marrying him and called herself "Mrs. Smith", since living together was a shameful thing in those days.

One day in the late 1920's she was at the post office when a man tapped her on the shoulder and asked, "excuse me, but are you Mrs. Smith?" To which she replied, "why, yes I am." The man was a government investigator: that was the end of the "Jones" pension for the common-law married Mrs. Smith.

According to my aunt, to the end of her life the Jones/Smith aunt kept a running total of how much Spanish-American War pension she'd missed out on because of being tricked by that government snoop. And very bitterly she'd tell the exact figure that had accrued so far to any who asked right up to her death in the early 1970's.

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Whats with these abandoned farmhouses? Why isnt there anyone living (or squatting) in them or why arent they teared down? Are you telling me they just stand there untouched for ages?

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There are abandoned farmhouses all over the place in rural America.

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Pretty much. You don't really get the poverty or homelessness issues that you might run into in other towns, so you don't really see or wouldn't ever see squatters living on somebody else's property. As for the farm houses, if you ever take a road trip across Nebraska, especially in central Nebraska where I live, you see old properties and barns that decay and fall apart as the years go by. I don't think there is any building code that says they need to be demolished, and they are on private property so even if they are an eye sore they sit there, for years.

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Thanks for the answer. So why dont homeless people from other towns and cities move into these farmhouses if they dont belong to anyone? Is it just because they are on private property?

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I believe the overall movie did catch the more rural settings of Nebraska. If the town has a little larger population, then there can be enough younger people to form gatherings at a local bar, and still some other bar be mainly the older crowd. We see two bars in this town, but there could have been a third where the younger ones go. There was no need for this movie to go there, so I did not see it as being that all rural Nebraska town bars have only older people.

The other odd thing about this movie is that right after watching it, I visited IMDB, and was a bit surprised when I saw that it was in Black and White. I hadn't even thought about it throughout the entire movie. That said the choice to do it in B&W worked exactly as intended; it made it real for me. Usually B&W is noticeable right off, then you tend to forget about it. This one, I didn't even think about it.

@stefan889: People from other places do not move into these vacant homes partly because it is on private property, but also because someone around knows about that property, and would surely notice if someone moved in. The county sheriff also drives on many country roads, and would notice something unusual. Sooner or later it would get noticed that someone was staying in one of these houses by somebody. Word would travel pretty fast, and the sheriff would be back with questions. Most likely the home would not have a stove or refrigerator, or the other things that would make it livable for any period of time. Even if a homeless person used the home for a short time shelter, they would need food and other things that aren't available in an old empty home. There likely would not be many homeless people even come across one of these homes due to their rural nature. Just because a home is empty doesn't mean that the homeless from other areas would or should consider it a place to call their own; it wouldn't last very long.

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They just are not being used. Many of them are uninhabitable.

The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Samuel Beckett

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Thanks for the answer. So why dont homeless people from other towns and cities move into these farmhouses if they dont belong to anyone? Is it just because they are on private property?

I'd say because there are no jobs or ways to make money there. In cities or bigger towns, many homeless have jobs but no homes. Then there are those homeless without either jobs or homes. They make a living selling bottles or collecting scrap metal and selling them. There are no jobs or places to sell scrap metal in these abandoned farmhouses in the middle of nowhere.

Also, many homeless people don't know how to farm for themselves. Those that might have the capability probably don't have the money and time it takes to grow food on that farm. If the original farmer couldn't make a living farming there, what makes you think a homeless squatter could?

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I never really pitied farmers the way I pitied homeless people. Farmers may like to give the impression they're "hard working, honest, poor folk", but there's no way you can be a farmer without having assets.

In other words, farmers are "middle class to upper middle class" in finances. They're landowners, which disqualifies them as being homeless. They use the land & assets to get bank loans to buy seed & equipment. Sure, they're not "rich", and can lose it all with a bad crop or two, but they're not "poor". They're business people, with assets to lose.

What really drives me up the wall is the Congress every few years puts up a "farm bill". How "hard working" Americans need a handout (called subsidy) in order to keep their livelihood going. For decades, food stamp programs have been bundled into the "farm bill". Its a win-win for all parties involved; the poor don't starve to death, and there's a built in market for the farm bill's products. And now these garbage Republican politicians want to cut out food assistance programs, but give handouts to people with money???

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Great info. Thanks.

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Growing up we used to go to abandoned houses out in the country for fun. If I could explain it, I would. I suppose it's just one of those things.

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Us too. We used to coon hunt, have paintball fights, etc. at abandoned houses all the time.

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Abandoned farmhouses are VERY prevalent in the Midwestern USA. I live in Iowa and there are many foreclosures and abandoned properties. Jobs are tough to come by for many and so are mortgage payments. So it is VERY correct to have empty farmhouses and old abandoned shacks. I live in a small town and there are many abandoned homes in our city. It is such a tough economy. Many are downsizing or leaving. The homeless population in nearby counties has soared and our food pantries can't keep up with the need from individuals who used to be prominent business professionals. I am sure Nebraska is quite similar to here.

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Yep, they stand there untouched for ages! I grew up in NW Rural Nebraska. Live and graduated at Oshkosh. Visited a house that my first wife and I were living in years ago, East of Oshkosh, and it was abandoned, and looked a lot like all the rest of abandoned houses. One remembers happy and sad thoughts at those old places, what we did, how we interacted with our family, the rains, the snows, the peace and quite of that area.

As far as squatters, no, they don't live in those abandoned houses. There is no electricity, and unless there is a windmill for livestock there is no water anywhere close by, and miles from the nearest town and usually at least 1/4 mile or more off any county road. No electricity, no water, no nearby food, no heat in winter, and always the very possibility of rattlesnakes in or around those old houses. So, there is no good reason for anyone to live on that private property house. The rancher/farmer will call the Sheriff if he finds you in that house on his property and you would be leaving. Even if the original owner is dead, or in a nursing home, someone rents or leases the property and does not want anyone in there that might build a fire that gets out of control.

I saw very familiar scenes in this movie, and the room with everyone watching the TV was very common for that type of rural Nebraska. It may be fiction, but, like the long series "Centennial" most of what you see there is real .... there.

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The tracts were too small. A serious modern farmer would buy up four times as much land, get serious farming equipment and leave the old farmsteads to rot. You can see this all the way back in 1939 film of Grapes of Wrath when one man with a machine could work the land ten sharecropper families had houses on. Old people die off and the electric and plumbing and roofs are in awful shape having been patched up and unfixed for twenty+ years - it isn't worth putting money into these places so they are abandoned.

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that's exactly what happens to them. They're completely obsolete in terms of energy efficiency, often don't have readily available water, sewer, gas, or even electricity, they're decayed and worn out, they lack proximity to work that most people do, and they're lonely to be in for most people. That plus squatters would be quickly ejected by the owner. They're simply an architectural artifact of days gone by now. Even town squares, formerly the hopping-est part of a small town, are often semi-deserted and falling to ruins now. The countryside and many small towns have simply depopulated and are no longer vibrant and viable places in many cases. They're history, not current.

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This film is a fiction. It is not a documentary. What difference does it make whether the settings or the characters are like real places or people? This whole discussion is irrelevant.

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Probably because the movie is a realistic drama.

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This isn't a discussion of whether it is realistic. This is a discussion of whether it is a perfect match.

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Of course it's fiction and it's played up for laughs. I just wanted to show some respect for Payne since 99% of directors misrepresent rural America. He really hit the mark here.

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If, as you agree, it is fiction, what difference does it make how accurate or inaccurate a character or setting is? Fiction means it's not real, doesn't it?

Since you seem to have a personal agenda (directors who, in your view, "misrepresent rural America"), why not simply add your point to one of the many threads already here rather than starting a new one? After all, who would find this at all interesting or relevant to the film besides you or someone else who believes that directors "misrepresent rural America"?

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I find it an interesting thread and ive never been to America.

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I liked the movie a lot (8/10) and would generally defend it, but I just have to disagree with your position that if it's fiction, that means anything goes. If it's naturalistic fiction, IMO characters need to match their "origin story" in a believable way, settings need to be realistic, etc.

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Geez... chill, bitch. Someone felt related to the movie. It's nothing out of the ordinary about that, you know?

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It always bothers me when Hamlet doesn't speak with a Danish accent, and when the setting is nothing like how the Danish Royal House should look.

Listen to the river sing sweet songs
to rock my soul

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Shakespeare's company probably didn't produce it like that either.

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You have my sympathies.

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I hope you didn't take my post for something other than what it was meant to be.

Listen to the river sing sweet songs
to rock my soul

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Nor mine.

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while a snapshot of what is happening to rural america, the family situation mirrored many...not just those in flyover country

the mom reminded me of my own mother

not with the whole, "everyone wanted to bang me", but the whole negativity about everyone and everything, the anger towards husband, while still having a deep abiding love

this is america

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Great to know. Loved this movie, it should win, but probably won't.

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Just watched this movie over the weekend and thoroughly enjoyed it. Well done; I was entertained ... and took it with a grain of wheat.

But poking fun at rural America is a staple of liberal Hollywood. I am from southern Louisiana and know quite well what it is like to have sport made of your culture (Swamp this and Duck that). My wife and I both commented about "their" accents (we don't have accents in Cajun country, lol) but added that the depiction of the corn-belt clan had to be facetiously exaggerated along the lines of Minnesota in the film "Fargo," Maine in "Funny Farm," or even Oklahoma in "August: Osage County."

Such are the stereotypes perpetuated in America via film. And foreign viewers buy into it whole hog. (BTW, I found it amusing that Germans had regional accents as portrayed in "Inglorious Bastards.")

Now, excuse me while I go out back and whip me some slaves.


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Do you seriously expect anyone to believe when you say there are no accents in Cajun country? Really? I guess next you'll say Vegas doesn't have casinos.

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That is true bout nobody thinking they have an accent.

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