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Scorsese would have made this movie much better


It's almost like David O. Russell was doing his best to try and imitate Scorsese, but it just wasn't on par with that in my opinion.

Did anyone else think that Bradley Cooper overacted way too much?

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Yes, I agree totally with you.

These go to 11.

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yeap i agree! I thought for a minute that this movie is like a failed Scorsese copy after all..

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It's up there with Scorsese, who BTW, doesn't always get it right. Most of his films with Di Caprio leave much to be desired.

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I thought it was fine just the way it was. Loved the irony and reference to the film "throw mamma from the train" in the original Richie Dimaso scene with his mother at home :-). Well done to the director, cast and crew.

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I felt that with The Wolf of Wall Street, Scorsese was trying to imitate his younger and more inspired self. And failed miserably. My goodness, I hate that movie. I doubt that he would have done better than O'Russell on American Hustle.

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Specifically, what did you not like about The Wolf of Wall Street? I thought it was a pretty great movie with solid performances all around.

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I felt that with The Wolf of Wall Street, Scorsese was trying to imitate his younger and more inspired self. And failed miserably. My goodness, I hate that movie. I doubt that he would have done better than O'Russell on American Hustle.


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I thought "The Wolf of Wall Street" was too long, too redundant. Yeah, I get it was about excess. But there was too much excess, excess in "Wolf" IMO. I love most of Scorcese's stuff, but "Wolf" got boring to me because of the repetitive scenes of excess behavior. Like I said, I get that the movie was about the characters' excess, and I don't mind long movies, but not when scenes are unnecessarily repeating themselves to drive home the same point. With Wolf, I was checking my watch.

Also, Scorcese seemed to make too much light of the behavior and the characters who drained people's life savings in order to do behave that way. DeCaprio's drugged/drunk driving scene seemed to try to cash in on humor a la "Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas" but the big difference is Wolf's character was abusing other people while HST was just abusing himself. The latter was funny, the former is not, IMO.

I compared the two movies/directors more in this other thread here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1800241/board/flat/247483992

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There is no such thing as "too much" excess. In fact, "too much" and "excess" are essentially saying the same thing. Maybe TWOWS was too excessive for YOU personally, but to say there was "too much excess" is a nonsensical critique.

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Yes, there can be a such thing as too much excess in a movie, exactly as I described. The movie was showing examples of excess behavior of the characters. There was too much of it, IMO. That is too much excess. Pretty simple, really.

And if you want to get anal about it (which you seem to want to) a really good example of "too much excess" is when someone OD's on drugs. They were doing excess amounts of drugs. Then they took too much. Then they're dead. They would probably admit they did excess drugs quite a bit. They would then admit to doing way too much the last time. But they couldn't because they're dead.

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You are still saying the same thing and getting absolutely nowhere. An OD would not be "too much" excess - it would simply be an excessive amount. What might be "too much excess" for one person who OD might not be the same amount for someone else. That is why the amount of excess is open to interpretation and 100% subjective. I kind of see the point you attempted to make, but it was a god awful analogy.

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but to say there was "too much excess" is a nonsensical critique.


No it isn't you're just pretending that 'excess' in the context of the characters lives and 'portrayal of that excess' are the same thing. But they're not.

I had the same problem with WOWS. There were too many scenes of debauchery that told us nothing new about the story and the characters.

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..and that is nothing more than your personal opinion, which you have every right to express.

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Yes, I agree. It feels like a cheap Scorsese rip-off.

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I think so, too -- and I actually enjoyed the film overall.

I don't have a problem with Russell's mirroring Scorsese's style as homage (which it obviously is). The problem is, by doing so, he invites comparison with Scorsese, and his attempts were crude by comparison. You could actually see the camera wobble on some of the quick zooms.

I also share you sentiment Cooper overacted at points.

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I think every actor overacted and was probably directed to. Great movie. 8/10 Christian Bale was brilliant I thought. And loved the De Niro cameo.

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Then the overacting was bad directing.

BTW, I rate it an 8/10, too. In the hands of Scorsese, however, I suspect it would have been a 9 or 10.

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