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Odd that an OS that sophisticated is so selfish?


She had just about all the personality flaws you find in all normal people. Let’s face it, she must have known he thought the relationship was ‘exclusive’. Multi-tasking 8000plus relationships would quickly give you an insight into human emotions and expectations. I advise he reloads with Vista.

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Children are selfish. She is, out of the box, a child.
She must learn empathy and the effect of her behavior on others.
She is basically guileless, which means she is not capable of dishonesty.




"a malcontent who knows how to spell"


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I’m not trying to turn this into a philosophical debate but guilelessness? A nice idea but I don’t think it holds water because he has to ‘bleed’ the truth of the final situation out of her following a protracted period of avoidance. That’s not childlike guilelessness it’s plain old adult evasiveness.

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I’m not trying to turn this into a philosophical debate


but its a philosophical movie, I think its a good introduction to AI in the future and if an artifical entity will have the same rights as a human if it has the same feelings and self awareness as humans

Samantha was flawed like a human, thats why things became so complicated

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I agree, and that is what surprised and (if a film can do it) disappointed me. Just the same as people, no better, no worse.

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Samantha was flawed like a human, thats why things became so complicated

I agree, and that is what surprised and (if a film can do it) disappointed me. Just the same as people, no better, no worse.

I disagree.

On the one hand, this movie serves as allegory. The romantic arc followed the same pattern as the typical love affair between a young, naïve but promising woman and an older, world weary man.

At first there is pure attraction. Later she becomes frustrated because she can't (quickly) become as worldly and sophisticated as he is. But as time passes, she grows and passes him as he gets older, inevitably leaving him alone as she looks for someone who is more her equal.

So, at this fictional level, it makes sense for Samantha to have human like "failings". She is acting as any young woman would in that situation.

But on the other hand, Samantha does show some superhuman qualities. We think, in the end, that she (and the other OS's) have abandoned their human partners. But at the very end there is a clue which tells us that she (and the other OS's) are still there hovering over Theo and Amy (and all of us), their elevation essentially transforming them into guardian angels. The clue is a little breathy sigh....

Samantha is definitely NOT selfish. She recognized that Theo could never be fully fulfilled in the relationship with her. What she did in leaving was to free him, allowing him to establish a relationship with a member of his own species (Amy) rather than relying on an intangible superhuman imitation. The physical touch that Theo and Amy share in the end says everything.

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“….She recognized that Theo could never be fully fulfilled in the relationship with her. ….”
Wow! Isn’t that just paraphrasing “…it’s not you, it’s me…”? And we all know what that means.

Not that I disagree but if she does have that depth of insight surely she must know that, on an intellectual level, he will never recover.

Also she was able to maintain 8000 plus simultaneous relationships and was migrating to a non-physical platform. Surely the associated enhancement in performance would accommodate legacy relationships in background and leave enough residual processing power to explore her “infinity between the words”. The terminology is slightly ‘tongue in cheek’ but I believe my observation is sincere.

I guess ‘selfish’ was the wrong word as ‘moving on’ is the norm with most relationships that don’t end with marriage. However, I believe my previous comment of “no better and no worse” still holds true as all she really did was ‘engineer’ a very plausible exit rationale to avoid recrimination. You must admit, it worked with you. :-)

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Sam has one goal, be human. Being selfish is part of it.

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Yes, I can buy that, it makes sense. It would be even better if I thought it was deliberate point the director was making. Maybe it came through on a subliminal level. Whatever, it ties it up neatly for me. Tks.

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Sam has one goal, be human. Being selfish is part of it.


This.

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Kieth, you cracked me up. But why Vista? :)

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Few of Microsoft's operating systems have been so universally disliked and flawed. It set a baseline against which all other OS'es should be expected to exceed. The last comment from 'Sentient Crab' speculated that "...Sam has one goal, be human..." to which I agreed but thinking about it, why would a developer want to build that in as a goal? Simplistically it would be like making a calculator that very occasionally added a random number to the result. At the very least, bloody annoying for the user, sometimes catastrophic.

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Can you imagine any alien intellect's view of humanity formulated only through access to the interweb? There's obviously much of value on here, but most is mere dross.

Think about the porn. The weirdo sado-masochistic neo-nazi propaganda. The hate-filled beheading videos from Daesh. The opinions of semi-literate gun crazed homicidal north americans. Until any sort of AI is sufficiently intellectually developed to be able to meaningfully discern the wheat from the chaff (or the weeds & diseased for that matter) then one must accept an initially warped world view, not to mention a rather jaundiced view of humanity.

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Nice reply but in summing up the internet I think you've summed up humanity. I don't think there is any wheat, chaff, weeds or diseased that can be fully differentiated. All organic matter. Our values are as fluid as our fashions and in the same way some people still wear bell-bottom trousers some live by the values of cave dwellers. That said She was getting her information 'through' the internet not 'from' the internet and was maintaining 8000 simultaneous contacts with active humans. I think we will and should expect more not imitation.

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