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Lesley Gore was 14 in 1961

posted 13 years ago by milliedil
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She turned 15 during the year. Either way, she wasn't performing in any Playboy Clubs. I can deal with the fact that her hit song was actually from 1963 and they fast-forwarded it 2 years (same with Little Eva and "The Loco-Motion", I believe), but this was inexcusable. For those who still think this and Pan Am are mere Mad Men wanna-bes, just let me point out that they are both so slick and superficial (and soap operatic) that they bear no genuine resemblance to it and share only a similar time-frame.

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[–] silenceKILLS 13 years ago

that maybe true but the year the shows based on is 1963

[–] rockdontrun-2 13 years ago

Except that one of the character's CLEARLY says it's 1961 to Don Dr- I MEAN NICK DALTON.

[–] milliedil 13 years ago

Twice in tonight's episode it was mentioned that it is 1961. That is why I wrote this thread.

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[–] knight_sentinel 13 years ago

I watch "Mad Men", and it's just much a soap as any daytime soap opera, but I find it amusing that people don't think of it as a soap opera, even though most of the story lines on "Mad Men" have been done on daytime soap operas even the Don Draper having switched his dog tags and assuming another man's identity has been done in some form on a daytime soap opera. the lying, cheating is no different either.

They even have some of the characters do bone head things that no person with simple common sense would do. on this series they have the stupid Playboy Bunny who keeps the dead key members key instead of just getting rid of it down a storm drain, but like a soap opera they wouldn't have a story line, but it would be nice to characters behave more realistically and still keep the drama, and it can be done because it's been done with other series.

I think the only reason some people call this series and "Pan Am", "Mad Men" rip offs is because they're set in the 60s. If they had set in in the early 70s when there were more clubs.

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[–] marvin_el_martian 13 years ago

While I see that the mannerisms are similar, they're personalities are completely different. For one, Don would have come up with the idea of dating a higher class woman, and/ore wouldn't have needed to be wheedled into it. He wouldn't use sweet talk to manipulate and motivate people. He would have made Carol-Lynne feel like a fool for her suspicions of him and Maureen. Hell, Don would have probably screwed Maureen Don's a rougher, bull dog type personality. Nick is more nice but slippery personality.

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[–] marvin_el_martian 13 years ago

I wouldn't say watered down, he doesn't have any of the same personality of Draper at all. It's like saying Coke is a watered down version of A&W. Nick uses slickness, bribery, and his "little boy charm" to get his way. Don is more like a civilized Army sergeant/Drill Sergeant(at least they way they would have been in the 50's and 60's). But Nick is definitely less edgy Their similarities stop at clothes, hairstyles, and speech patterns. And to me that's not really making a clone(or watered down if one happens to be a better written/played, or just all around better, character) of someone, that's just how the guys in their particular circles(upper class, ambitious white guys) would have looked and talked. I'll say though that Don is a tough act to follow, I find I like his character more then Nick. "Mad Men" is, to me, a better show, I like the "Playboy Club" too, but I'm not sure how they can keep it going like "Mad Men".

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[–] marvin_el_martian 13 years ago

Don stole an identity. Nick worked(still works?) for the mob(I'd have to say that's where "Mad Men" definitely went better, they don't have the cliche "mob ties" of a lead character for a show of that era, unless it's been too long since I watched it, haven't seen the last couple of seasons). Don grew up poor and raised by, well, actually, I'm always a little confused as to who raised him exactly, and he was abused. I don't know Nick's childhood, I may have missed it because I missed half of the first episode, and a few minutes here and there in the others. "Shady past, trying to overcome it to make it in respectable society" plot line isn't new(heck, even a couple of the female characters have it), and most certainly isn't one that was solely made up for the Don Draper character. If we're going to use that as a strike against "Playboy Club" and/or the Nick character, why isn't it a strike against "Mad Men" and/r the Don character? I guess if you like one more than the other, I can see the logic behind saying one is good for it and one is bad for it, but that doesn't mean I have to accept it If one's wrong for it, they're both wrong for it, IMHO.

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[–] knight_sentinel 13 years ago

I don't see Nick as a Don Draper rip off because they dress the same, that's how men dressed and behaved I grew up in the 60s, and I still wear suits.

Someone left a post over on the "North by Northwest" board, and they wondered if Cary Grant's character would have blended in better if he had put on some blue jeans and a t-shirt, grown men didn't walk around dressing like that in public. Even people who had blue collar jobs wore uniforms.

If I'm not mistaken the producer of "Mad Men" stated he model Don Draper after Cary Grant, and if you ever hear Michael Caine's voice over narration for Cary Grant on TCM he states something about Mr. Grant's sartorial, debonair demeanor and dashing good looks taste affecting many men in the 60s, and I would be one of those guys.

If anything I think both characters are model after a combination of many men from the 40s, 50s and 60s from Cary Grant to John F. Kennedy and a little bit of Hugh Hefner who also model his style of dress after Mr. Grant until he started wearing the robe as a trademark of his style. I think the reason they chose not to set the series in the 70s is because that was truly the beginning of a change in America. The male leads in films started to change as they were in the real world.

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[–] knight_sentinel 13 years ago

Well as I stated in my other post to you, most of the people who fall into the demographic network and cable channels want weren't alive in the 60s and would not know.

There was a study done several years ago, and it revealed most people get their history from television and movies, which both take liberties with the facts.

I can remember when the film "The Untouchables" came out and they had Kevin Costner's Eliot Ness kill one the characters in the film who was based on the real life person who was still alive at the time, he was still in prison, and very few people questioned it at first and many believed that's what happened just as they believed Eliot ness took down Al Capone, Mr. Capone was never did any time for any criminal activity he went to jail for tax evasion, but that's not how the film portrayed any of the factual events.

I can remember seeing the mini series about the Temptations and even though one of the Temptations was an executive producer and consultant some of the events in that mini series were inaccurate and added for dramatic effect.

I wouldn't look to a television series or movie for historical accuracy, they often admit they take theatrical and creative license to tell a story.

the Johnny Depp film about John Dillinger had many inaccuracies, as a matter of fact i heard the author who did a book on Dillinger comment about the same study that was done that stated people got their history from films, he stated there were inaccuracies in Depp's version of Dillinger and some of the characters the radio interviewer asked him why Hollywood does it, and he stated they take creative license to make things more dramatic, even though the real life circumstances are just as dramatic.

The list of films and television series that do this are too enormous to list, I might also add that "Boardwalk Empire" is a dramatic representation not an historical work of fact and non-fiction, and I don't see anyone complaining about it's production since some of the people on that series were created for the series the character Jimmy Dormady was not a real person.

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[–] knight_sentinel 13 years ago

There is no excuse in this day and age for such a blatant mistake. For example they could have done a simple internet search and found out the song didn't even exist yet in 1961, let alone Gore hadn't even recorded it yet. Nope, it was just sloppy work.

As I clearly pointed out this has always been done and is still done, you can't read. "Boardwalk Empire" is produced "NOW" in "THIS DAY AND AGE" it clearly takes liberty with historical facts.

Ironically PBS is airing a documentary called "Prohibition", if you want historical accuracy then you should read a book or watch a documentary.

Other than that you're not making any logical sense seeing as how there are shows currently on the air doing the exact same thing "NOW".

I follow the advertising industry, and after every episode of "Mad Men", Advertising Age does a blog on what was accurate and what wasn't and they find inaccuracies in every episode, they even pointed out a particular episode where their magazine was mentioned, and as they stated no meeting like it appeared on "Mad Men" had ever taken place.

They find inaccuracies in the series every single week. Advertising Age was around in the 60s, and they know the real people who were in the industry in the 60s, and most of them have stated some things are accurate and others are not. That's because the producers of "Mad Men" decided to take creative license.

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