If actors keep jumping ship, it may as well be all CGI.

You stated that this isn't cheap CGI, and that's where you are right. Now take it a step further. Further than the wildest Disney ride...

Do you think Lara Croft looks real? Because Disney is light years ahead of her now.

Here's your next clue: when you see actors who aren't named in the credits, and I'm not just talking extras here, replay their scenes. In slo-mo, on both Blu-Ray and DVD for the comparison. Be sure to view on a screen with a faaaaast refresh rate too.

As for animatronics, they are alive and well, Sister. In many movies. Just aks TimBurton.com if you needs proof.CGI all over itl Sir Johnny notwithstandingWhere's the rum?

I hate disappoint you, But... No, They do NOT use 'Human' animatronics in movies that replace the movie stars. They only use 'Human' animatronics in the Disney rides and in other theme park rides, nowhere else. If you believe that they use 'Human' animatronics in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies or any movies for that matter, I can give you the phone number to Walt Disney Studios and you can call them and ask them. They will tell you that only 'Human' actors are in movies.

Well then, can you please give me that phone number?

Thanks.

P.S. When you think animatronics, don't think animation, think animals.CGI as a replacement.Have some rum.

Sure. I can give you their phone number. Their phone number is 1-(818)-560-1000 .

Animatronic animals are not used in movies anymore. Animatronic people were never used in movies, only in the Disney rides.

Thanks, but that's a toll call. Do they have an email address?

There is nothing to say animatronic animals won't continue to be used (imagine a movie that is about the magic of animatronic animals).

Watch those pirate films, with a friend's second pair of eyes, and you just might say aloud, "See?! Gee I ...never noticed!"

Why do you think so many actors are out of work and living in shambles? Technology's double-edged sword.CGI replaces actors all the time.One more bottle of rum.

@jamesboland
You can call that number with a regular phone, you do not have to use a toll phone to call that number. Walt Disney Studios email address is [email protected]. They don't just use animatronics for animals in every movie that has animals, and when ever they do they are superimposed with cgi in post-production. And it's not like the cheap animatronics from theme park rides. There are no animatronic animals in the Pirates films though, I hate to have disappoint you regarding that but yeah they are not used in that franchise. In that franchise, real animals are used, except for the kraken which was entirely cgi, no real squid, no animatronics, period. The only reason that any actor would be out of work and living in shambles, would be because they simply can't find a role in a movie or that they didn't get the part(role) and some other actor does.

Animatronic animals are not used in movies anymore.

@Robot-Werewolf
Those are just animatrontics that are superimposed with cgi in Post-Production, and are not animatronics like the cheap animatronics from the rides at Disney. That's that's just practical effects in that movie. I Hope that helps .

Scene from the film, featuring the 'dying' animatronic apatosaurus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M28JwMUknNk
Budget isn't a factor: They're still animatronics.

@Jamesboland @Rober-Warewolf
Read this entire article and then let know what you've both learned from it -> http://www.idigitaltimes.com/jurassic-world-cast-cgi-dinosaurs-animatronic-colin-trevorrow-opens-new-era-cgi-439636

Well, I wouldn't say I learned it from the article, as I already knew beforehand, but to sum up: The final cut of Jurassic World contains a dramatic scene dependent on the performance of an animatronic animal. Less than I would have liked given the number of great animatronics in the original, but most definitely enough to prove you wrong.

@Robot-Werewolf
No, You see, that's just it. It proves YOU wrong because they still use CGI over the animatronic dinosaur(s). So, It's Not just the few animatronic dinosaurs that they used, because there was also cgi superimposed over them and that way in the final cut of the movie they don't appear fake. Less Animatronics are used in movies nowadays for animals, creatures, dinosaurs, etc, because cgi has pretty much replaced that by now in movies. Although, Sometimes current non-extinct animals are used in movies that are not animatronic or CGI.

Less Animatronics are used in movies nowadays

@Robot-Werewolf
Once again, You still don't get it. I wasn't wrong the first time and I am not wrong now because barely anyone uses animatronics in movies anymore anyway. It's like less then 1% of directors that use animatronics in movies nowadays, that's why I said before that they are not used in movies anymore. Yes, That's true about the apatosaurus in Jurassic World, but only its head was practical and the rest of its body was cgi. But CGI is to super-imposed over it in post-production as I was trying to tell you before. Now, Back to the Pirate franchise, here's how the cgi on Barbossa's crew in Pirates 1 and Davy Jones crew in Pirates 2 and 3 is done in the Pirates of the Caribbean films -> http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/piratesofthecarribean.jpg. In Pirate 4, Blackbeards crew was actually done much more practical, with much less cgi super-imposed over them.

I wasn't wrong the first time and I am not wrong now because barely anyone uses animatronics in movies anymore anyway

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@Robot-Werewolf
No, I wasn't Wrong the first time. That's what you don't seem to get. Yes, There was an animatronic dinosaur in Jurassic World, but There was still cgi that was added to it in post production, meaning its body that was added in post-production and it was only the head that was the animatronic part. As for he Pirates of the Caribbean films, check out the link to the image I gave you on my previous post. It shows you how they add in the cgi to Davy Jones and his crew in the Pirates of the Caribbean films in post-production, or you can see it here where I re-posted it for you to check out
-> http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/piratesofthecarribean.jpg They added in the cgi on with motion capture on Barbossa and his crew in Pirates 1 under the moonlight in post production, they added in the cgi with motion capture on Davy Jones and his crew in Pirates 2 and 3 in post production, they added in cgi on mermaids in Pirates 4 that are real models/actresses in Pirates 4 in post production. What was also cgi was the fountain of youth's water ripping Blackbeard's flesh apart in Pirates 4.

If anything that supports what we've said, MovieFanatic. Have you read the article through to the end? Without this type of technology, we'd have a lot of stunt doubles out on medical leave.

P.S. You might want to check out the making of Edward Scissorhands.He was replaced by CGI.Rum, anyone?

@Jamesboland
They only use the real actors and stunt doubles and no animatronic people. When they use stunt doubles you never see their faces, and that's on purpose because sometimes stunt doubles do the stunts instead of the actor. Animatronic people are Only on theme park rides, Period. It's animatronic dinosaurs and creatures that are sometimes used in movies, and then their heads and bodies are edited in post-production to give a very real feel and effect for them on screen. And other times they put in completely cgi'd anmimals in movies.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but movies rely on all that and then some.

Figurines, dummies, mannequins, projections, claymation and indeed paper mache have been used in place of live actors. I don't know how many movies you've seen, but that's the way of the world.

Have you seen the making of Clash of the Titans?

CGI is basically the next level.Maybe JD shouldn't have demanded $1.25B.Get the rum.

@Jamesboland
No, Those objects have not been used in replacement of live actors in live action films, Ever. And No, You're wrong, That's not the way of the world, so don't try and tell me otherwise. Yes, I've seen the making of the Clash of the Titans for the one from 2010, not for the one from 1981 though and those are real actors in both of those movies too. So don't try to tell me that you actually think that animatronics are use in replacement of actors or are cgi only, because that doesn't happen and has never happened and never will happen in movies. Yes, CGI is basically the next level but not to replace actors with complete cgi. I suggest for you to call Walt Disney Studios and ask them yourself if real people(actors) or animatonric people are used in movies, and they WILL tell you that actors are only used in movies and animatronic people are only used in rides. And besides, It really isn't that hard to tell that real actors are used in movies, and it should not be that hard for you either to be able to tell that it's real people that are used in movies and not animatronics. And I'll tell you, I'm beggining to think your just fooling with me, because everyone knows that real actors and stunt doubles are used in movies and not animatronics  . Here is Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales full cast list to help you realize, that real actors star in the Pirates of the Caribbean films just like in any other film -> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1790809/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

Those objects have not been used in replacement of live actors in live action films, Ever. And No, You're wrong, That's not the way of the world, so don't try and tell me otherwise.

@Robot-Werewolf
I'm guessing that you now understand that they don't use full human body animatronics in movies anymore, and that they only very rarely they ever did so and never did they replace the actor to act in a movie. And that being because antimatronics don't have a conscience. Times have changed and they do not use full human body animtronics, only cgi is used on the actual actor for what ever practical effects may not do the best job that cgi can do on real actors but not to fully replace them. As I'm sure you know, animatronic body parts used to be used in movies, and that's no longer the case because of cgi replacing that on the actors. Plus, What ever animtronic body part of a human or creature is used in movies now adays, is edited over with cgi in post-production so that it doesn't look fake.

Changing your argument again, eh? The animatronic David head wasn't replaced digitally in Prometheus (they used a mix of shots with the animatronic head and shots featuring Fassbender himself), nor was the animatronic snapping arm used for the attack on Milburn. That's two examples from one film, made in the last few years.

they don't use full human body animatronics in movies anymore, and that they only very rarely they ever did so and never did they replace the actor to act in a movie

And that being because antimatronics don't have a conscience.

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@Robot-Werewolf No, I'm not changing any argument. I'm just trying to get you to better understand how cgi is used in movies on actors, but not to fully replace them and that animtronic body parts are used meaning human or animal or alien related. But only body parts, no full body animatronics of course. When that kind of stuff is used, it's edited over with cgi to take away any cheap quality it may have visually before being edited with cgi in post-production. And no, animtronics do not have a conscience considering that they are not living things, lol  .

There was a movie, made over 35 years ago, about space travel. In one scene, one of the main characters is injured and hanging on for life when he is rescued by his friend in a spaceship. As they are lowered into the spaceship, you see... them? Nope. It's two figurine miniatures dropping in. I read that in an article called something like The Making Of ESB. Actors can and have been replaced by their own action figures. Animatronics is more sophisticated than that. CGI is boundless and it's here to stay, I'm not afraid to say.You can't demand 1.25B and expect to keep your job!Pass the rum.

@Jamesboland
I think what you might mean is animatronic body parts that were edited over with cgi, not figurine miniatures, action figures, etc. And by the way CGI and animatronics are not the same thing. CGI is computer generated Imagery that's added into a movie during post-production. Whereas animatronics, Are robotics only used in theme park rides, early 1980's films for body parts, creatures, aliens, some animals, etc and not to replace an actors role in a movie.

You went from saying they were never used to saying they were rarely used. That's changing your argument.

I've already given examples of recent animatronics that were not digitally replaced.

And no, animtronics do not have a conscience considering that they are not living things, lol .

Figurines indeed. Like the ones made by Kenner. Read up on it. I think you'd be amazed. Animatronics, while widely used and cutting edge, are used more to enhance than replace. As for CGI, like I said...CGI replaces actors left and right.Get the rum.

@jamesboland
Animatronic body parts are what you're mistaking figurines for. They do not use figurines, only animatronic body parts and not full body animatronics anymore, like that video you showed me that was for a movie from several years back. The way that it's done now adays is that that CGI is superimposed over any animatronic body part, that would look to fake before post-production with computers hence the term Computer Generated Imagery. And sometimes they don't even use animatronic body parts to superimpose CGI over, they just add in the cgi directly over an actor on computers in post-production CGI-heavy movies. Animatronics are old school technology that CGI on an actor has replaced which is the new way.

Do you believe in ghosts?Johnny Depp demanded 1.25B. DisExecs came up with Sir Johnny,
a complete CGI replacement for Depp in POTC3: AWE. It is just
downplayed by the people in big industry with with big money.Here's some rum.

@Jamesboland
Actually, There was no CGI replacement for Depp except for very very briefly when during the maelstrom scene in Pirates 3.

In which formats have can you / have you viewed POTC3, and on what size screen? Just curious, thanks. I take it you're discounting the figurines altogether.
All I can say is that now doesn't seem to be the time to launch a career as a stunt double.I got my mind on my money
and my monkey on my mind.One more bottle of rum.

@Jamesboland
I have Pirates 3 as well as the other 4 movies on Blu-ray, and I have a Blu-ray player and a 50 inch LED Samsung hdtv. So that should be able to give you how great my viewing experience is of the Pirates films every time I watch them. And yeah, There are no figurines or full body animatronics in movies anymore, only the actors and stunt doubles in these movies.

you must be rich!

No, I'm not rich but I'm not poor either.

How sure you are, despite seeming to have watched Pirates 3 over and over again.

Have you watched the DVD as well? I've got to aks, what is the Refresher Rate on your LED (not plasma) screen? The CGI can flash right by, but animatronics are usually much more noticable, so I'm naturally a bit puzzled.

As for figurines and miniatures, they are still considered cutting edge because not even CGI has replaced those. But dollars to doughnuts, you can bet your sweet movie pass that CGI has replaced stunt doubles and certainly has put the damper on actors demanding ludicrous sums for compensation. Watch the making of ESB if you can. You might be surprised aboot what a figurine can do.

DisExecs know what they're doing, I'm sure."To recreate an actor entirely out of CGI
is an insurmountable, dauntingly expensive
proposition. It would cost hundreds of
millions of dollars."

Disney has that kind of money.Grab the rum.

@Jamesboland I'm 100% sure. There is no need to watch these movies on DVD because Blu-Ray is HD whereas DVD's are not. The refresh rate in my tv is an option of either 24 frames per second or 60 frames per second. They don't use animatronics in the Pirates of the Caribbean films. An no, figurines and miniatures are no longer considered cutting edge because CGI has in fact replaced that. No, CGI does not in fact replace the stunt doubles because no one even gets to see their faces because they are used for fast motion scenes where no one watching the movie sees their faces. Sometimes even the actors in movies do the stunts theirselves, and Johnny Depp is known very well for doing the stunts himself in his movies that he's starred in.

Oh my, really? Do you not know about the Pirates 3 debacle?

CGI indeed replaces stunt doubles. When someone gets vaporised while submerged or stretched across a canyon, it's beyond Roger Rabbit.

With A/V software and bloomper reels anything, is acheivable. With, of course, oodles of time and a well-organized, caffienated CGI team. Outtakes are golden for mining soundbytes. Deleted scenes become footage sequels, footage for thought.

Ever hear of Natalie Cole?With a lot of editing,
CGI and animatronics,
actors hit the pavement.

(Booya was all she could muster)Hide the rum.

"Once again, No, They do NOT use animatronics in movies anymore. That is something from the 1990s and before then as well. Only REAL actors are used in movies now. Animatronics are ONLY used in theme park rides nowadays. The ONLY animatronic piece used in a movie in the 2000s is the severed alien head in Prometheus and that's it. No other movie has that in the 2000s."

Moviefanatic2015: Yes, you WERE wrong initially. You cannot back pedal and say that you never said no movies had animatronics.

Also, Terminator 2 and Total Recall had actor animatronics. Because, hey, so wants to rip open actors' heads?

@Jamesbland
As I said before, CGI does not in fact replace the stunt doubles because no one even gets to see their faces, because they are used for fast motion scenes where no one watching the movie sees their faces. Sometimes even the actors in movies do the stunts themselves, and Johnny Depp is known very well for doing the stunts himself in his movies that he's starred in. And no, Deleted scenes do not become parts of sequels, hence the fact of why they are taken out of a movie called 'Deleted scenes'. You are very much behind on how movies are made, and I highly suggest you learn quite a bit more on how CGI-heavy movies are made. Take another look at some videos on online on how CGI is put in these movies because clearly you have no idea how its done.

A stuntman with a digital Johnny Depp face, from Public Enemies: http://abload.de/img/ozs8y8jsx.gif

@Robot-Werewolf
They do that sometimes but never in the Pirates of the Caribbean films because when ever there is a 'Jack Sparrow' stuntman used, you never see their face real good because it's always during the fast action scenes. Although, As I said before, Johnny Depp is known very well for doing his own stunts in his films including the Pirates of the Caribbean films.

Yeah... sure... https://youtu.be/sfJwdbpvZcs?t=2m53s
Here we see Johnny performing a stunt for The Tourist: http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Johnny+Depp+stunt+double+films+scenes+Tourist+PvIhNjfNWR-l.jpg
Oh, wait, that's not him. Depp isn't particularly known for doing his own stunts (who can blame him, when he does give them a go, he tends to get hurt - http://www.techtimes.com/articles/38887/20150311/johnny-depp-injured-pirates-of-the-caribbean-star-flies-back-to-u-s-for-surgery.htm). In his own words, he "prefers they pull in for the close up and leave that jumping about to the professionals". He's not exactly Tom Cruise.

@Robot-Werewolf
You completely misunderstood my point. When stunt doubles do the stunts, you don't see their faces while they are doing the stunts. I wasn't referring to in between takes, I was referring to while the camera is filming the movie. Yes, He is in fact known for doing his own stunts in movies, but he does not do all of them though of course.

Well, you're not supposed to be able to see that it isn't the actor, but there are countless films and TV shows where you can. At times it can be distractingly obvious.
To give some examples of scenes with egregious 'hey, look at my face' stunt doubles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G4zT2X8MT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGym1iVaWoY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NdWKdlue-Q
http://whatculture.com/film/10-hilariously-obvious-stunt-doubles-who-ruined-their-scenes.php

@Robot-Werewolf
Exactly, You're not supposed to see that it isn't the actor doing the stunts in movies. But sometimes the actors do the stunts themselves in movies. By the way, All of those videos were of old movies that i've never seen, so I wouldn't know who is the stunt double in those videos of those movies and is the actor. Videos like that but for much newer movies would've been better examples.

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You frequent a movie site, but have no idea what Al Pacino, Nicolas Cage, John Travolta, or Roger Moore look like? And I was supposed to know about your lack of cinema knowledge in advance? If you're unfamiliar with action films as famous as the Bond series or the work of John Woo, you're in an odd position to try and lecture people about the use of stunt doubles in the genre that employs them most.

I imagine you'll know some of the films of Zack Snyder.
300, where Gerard Butler was willing to get insanely ripped, but apparently wasn't willing to raise his leg. In this scene, both he and the man his character is kicking both turn into stunt people, whose faces are plainly visible (despite the director's infamous reliance on digital effects): https://dorkarama.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/300_kick21.jpg

To give another Snyder example, here's someone who definitely isn't Jeffrey Dean Morgan (though if you don't know Pacino, Cage or Travolta, you might be stuck here) in the opening fight from Watchmen, a fight which cuts back and forth between actor and double so many times it could rival the original series of Star Trek: http://postimg.org/image/moeplmp21/
http://postimg.org/image/cc431k0of/

Moving away from Snyder, here's someone who will never win a Channing Tatum lookalike contest, appearing as him in G.I. Joe 2: http://www.caps.media/201/3-gi-joe-retalliation/full/gi-joe2-movie-screencaps.com-3495.jpg

@Robot-Werewolf
I didn't say that I didn't know what those actors look like, and I didn't say that I had a lack of cinema knowledge so don't try to put words in my mouth. It's the much older movies that I wouldn't know who the stunt doubles are and who the actors are. And I am in fact familiar with the Bond series. So I am indeed in a position to lecture people about the use of stunt doubles in the genre that employs them the most.

I didn't say that I didn't know what those actors look like, and I didn't say that I had a lack of cinema knowledge so don't try to put words in my mouth. It's the much older movies that I wouldn't know who the stunt doubles are and who the actors are.

All of those videos were of old movies that i've never seen, so I wouldn't know who is the stunt double in those videos of those movies and is the actor.

@Robot-Werewolf
What are you trying to show me or tell me ? 

What has you confused?

@Robot-Werewolf
What has me confused is what point you're trying to make with those partially quoted bits from my previous posts that you posted.

I'm just trying to get logical, straight answers that you're prepared to stick to.

@Robot-Werewolf
Thanks, But please don't to correct me with what I type in my replies to you.

Use of figurines is indeed allowed, so how can someone say they aren't used? Animatronics are alive and well and have not gone the way of the dodo bird. Well, perhaps in a movie with dodo birds.

There is a lot to be said for what can be done with footage of Depp leaping in front of a green screen, spatial positioning, reverse imagery... all fodder for the CGI team.

That's what imagineering is all aboot. Taking a step back and using any and every trick, new and old. If you rewatch with that perspective, you'll see.It should be obvious by now how
different POTC3: AWE is from 1 & 2 =)Time for rum.

@jamesboland
Figurines are not used in films and neither are full body animatronics, at least not anymore for full body animatronics like that one video you showed me. Figurines are ONLY used in stop motion films. The only things that are cgi in the background of big budget films are added in with the green screens or blue screens used in CGI heavy movies, are done in post production with computers and don't try and tell me otherwise, lol . When actors play cgi characters in movies, that is done with motion capture technology.

If you can stop regularly changing your argument and contradicting yourself, merely for the sake of trying to sound like an expert so that you can talk down to people, I won't need to point out that it's what you're doing. Then we can just discuss films, which would be nice.

Figurines are ONLY used in stop motion films.

Animatronic body parts are what you're mistaking figurines for. They do not use figurines

I think what you might mean is animatronic body parts that were edited over with cgi, not figurine miniatures, action figures, etc.

There is no industry-wide ban on CGI, Animatronics or 8-track cassettes. No magic is obselete. CGI has become more powerful. Figurines and dummies have, and continue to be, used in place of stunt doubles. CGI can do the same and then some. Why won't you embrace the technology?Johnny Depp may no longer demand compensation into the billions.
CGI can do that to people.Rum, please!

@jamesboland
The type of animatronics that you're thinking of are only used in rides and not in movies, at least not since the 1980's and 1990's. Any animatronics used in movies do not replace a actor for their entire role in a movie and never have and not even in the past. Yes, CGI has become more advanced but not to completely replace an actor from their role in movies. Strangely enough, You seem to be under the assumption or under the impression that only animatronics are in movies and not the real actors themselves. Watch this video below from 3 minutes and 15 seconds to 8 minutes and 5 seconds into it and you'll see what animatronics really are. Any Animatronics used in movies do not fully replace actors and when animatronics are used in movies, CGI is super-imposed over it to take away the cheap appearance of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5IgJaRZOYs

Showing an example of animatronics is fine and well. But it sure as shucked corn doesn't mean that there aren't other more sophisticated applications. Let's face it, not all cars are the same and not all animatronics are the same.

Disney is the Bugatti of special effects, both mechanical and digital. If you never saw a CGI character, you've either missed it or not watched.

Pay close attention to AWE if you can get a copy to view. And if you haven't watched it before, give yourself about 10 viewings. CGI teams most certainly do rely on old techniques even more that new ones. Marionettes are to this day invaluable.Complete CGIGet the rum.

@jamesboland
Alright Look, I really hate to have to break it to you but movie directors, producers, editing teams for movies, etc, only add in CGI in movies with real actors. Meaning that this is a digital age when it comes to CGI in movies. That being said, There is no animatronics and no marionettes used in movies anymore like they used to briefly use every once in a while a movie. The Pirates of the Caribbean films don't have animatronics or marionettes either. Period. Call Walt Disney Studios and they'll tell you all of that themselves. Here is there number -> 1(818)-560-1000 , and you can ask them about all of that yourself. I call them when I can on my house phone or cellphone to find out, when any Disney movie trailer for any Disney movie is being released online.

Marionettes are used and CGI cuts the strings. I don't really think I need Disney to tell me aboot CGI, but I would like them to tell you.

When the POTC#5 TeaserTrailer comes out, and you call them, aks them how they pulled off A.W.E. I have to assume by that point, you'll have watched it 10+ times so discussing any scene should be no problem.

And feel free to quote me when you speak to them in case there's anything I said that has you in doubt. BTW, you should watch The Muppets Take Manhattan in your down time.Footage of Johnny Depp
and a great CGI team
made POTC3 AWEsome.Bring the rum.

@jamesboland
Marionettes are only used in stop-motion films. I'm not going to call Disney when the teaser trailer comes out, i'm going to call them later this year before it comes out. I'm probably going to call them in like May 2016 or June 2016 or July 2016, to ask them when Pirates 5's teaser trailer will be released online because by then they'll likely know when it will be released online. What is it about A.W.E that you want to know ?  There isn't anything that you said that has me in doubt except for whatever it is that makes you think, that marionettes or animatronic people, etc, are used in films instead of actual actors when its actors(real people) are that star in movies. The only kind of films that use marionettes are stop-motion films, and animatronics are used only in films from the 1980's and 1990's but not to fully replace actors for a very long time anyway.

Marionettes are puppets suspended on strings, held by puppeteers. For obvious reasons, they are not used to make stop motion projects.

@Robot-Werewolf
Yes, Marionettes are indeed used to make stop motion projects. Other stop motion projects use clay characters.

No. Marionettes are the type of puppets that are held up on strings and manipulated by human puppeteers, whereas stop motion is a very time consuming process requiring miniscule adjustments of a motionless item/model, captured one frame at a time to give the illusion of fluid movement. For obvious reasons, it would be impossible (as well as illogical) to do this with a marionette suspended on strings by a human being.

@Robot-Werewolf
Yes,That sounds about right.

When footage of a person is used, such as in a documentary, that person gets credited as a live actor.

When a movie or VH1 video uses footage of someone posthumously, a la Natalie Cole, that person also gets credited as a live actor.

Footage is fair game. Media belongs to he people.

What's also fair game are deleted scenes, outtakes, alternate director's cuts, facility security camera footage, bloomper reels, screen tests, collaborative meetings, ad-libbed jocularity caught on film and read-throughs.

When you have enough of that, and a good CGI team, you've the role cast. And of course, the actor gets credited as a live actor.

Add some mattes and props, non-principals, marionettes and stunt dummies ...and you've got yourself the basic ingredients of a film.

And letting me know that Johnny Depp was indeed a part of Dead Men Tell No Tales isn't exactly news to me, but I thank you for the link. If you're not calling Disney until Springtime, then you might have time to check out the making of Jurassic World. I'd be interested in what you think.Actors can and are replaced by CGI completely.One more bottle of rum.

@jamesboland
Deleted scenes are not used in movies, hence what they are called after being taken out of a movie. Outtakes are when the actors mess up on a line or do the wrong thing in a scene of a movie and the same can be said for bloopers. Screen tests are not used in movies either, only the updated fixed version is used that is filmed when a movie is filming. What is used in movies is what's filmed in a movie when everything goes right. And Once again, Marionettes are not used in movies and same can be said for stunt dummies. There are no stunt dummies in movies, only the actors and the stunt doubles.

Stunt doubles are people that are used to do the stunts instead of the actors to prevent injuries on the actors, and you don't see the stunt doubles faces on purpose because they are not the actor starring in the movie. If Johnny Depp being part of Dead Men Tell No Tales or any other actors in the movie isn't news to you then there's no point in you suggesting such crazy things, like animatronic people, stunt dummies, marionettes, etc, are used in movies because that's what the actual actors and stunt doubles are for. The actors are there for the acting and some stunts if they prefer to do them, and the stunt doubles are there when the actor doesn't do the stunts, not the acting because that's the actors job.

Those technologies can do more than you might be imagining. Besides, great examples have already been provided, so there's really no debate there.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1790809/board/view/253012304?d=254042316#254042316

Please note that there is no ban on any of the methods we've been discussing, like marionettes, dummies, firgurines, etc.

In terms of capability, CGI is light years ahead of the scenarios you've described. You may want to google Max Headroom some time to help put things in perspective. Then the next time you watch AWE, you should hopefully see.

Perhaps better yet, if you could explain to me why searching google for digital stunt double yields 886,000 results, I'd be most interested.CGI was used to seamlessly
integrate Depp footage into AWE.Get the rum.

@jamesboland
You might as well forget about marionettes, dummies, figurines, etc, because they do NOT use those. Only the real actors and stunt doubles are used! And what you just stated, that CGI is light years ahead of the scenarios you described is the point I'm trying to make to you. But it's not in movies to replace actors roles in movies. That's NOT how it works. I've already seen AWE plenty of times, I don't need to see it again. Digital stunt doubles are just regular people with a dead actors face or actors face who doesn't do the stunts that's cgi'd on to that regular persons face like you can see here for example:
http://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2015/07/terminator_genisys_split_h_15.jpg
and here:
http://www.who2.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/paul-walker_1-730x405.png
Oh, and to prove to you that there are real people that are stunt double for actors, whom you never see the stunt doubles face on purpose here is an example of that:
http://filmmakeriq.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Stunt-Doubles.jpg

I just happened to poke about here because I was bored, and it was entertaining to read this. I have never seen anyone so staunchly defend a clearly incorrect and disproven stance than moviefanatic2015 for so long - at least without admitting "okay maybe I exaggerated a bit", or "I may have been incorrect about that".

This is stubbornness and pride to a whole new level. Next time the girl calls ME stubborn I will link her this page, and she might be grateful!

@Johnpatricko
You don't get it do you?  I have been right this entire time whereas forum members Jamesboland and Robot-Werewolf simply were not, regarding what I had been trying to explain to them that they just didn't seem to understand at all! That is the best part about this whole thread  . They think that animatronics fully replace actors in movies from the 1980's and 1990's and 2000's and that just is not the case.

Never said anything of the sort.

@Robot-Werewolf
But you have implied that you think the same thing that erickiam85 and jamesboland do.

Do they think that you're either an idiot or pretending to be one on here to entertain yourself?

@Robot-Werewolf
No, neither. They just don't realize that CGI is used in movies and they think, that animatronic people are in movies and not the real actors  . CGI, sets, props, the actors and locations to film, are used to film movies, not animatronic people. Animatronic body parts are something some movies from the 1980's and 1990's used that cgi now replaces in movies in the 2000's.

Animatronic body parts are something some movies from the 1980's and 1990's used that cgi now replaces in movies in the 2000's.

@Robot-Werewolf
Actually, That looks like a prop arm and prop alien creature from that movie, not an animatronic arm and animatronic alien creature.

It doesn't really matter what you think they look like. They are what they are, which is animatronics. Note the cables coming out of the arm and the tail end of the creature. They identify them as animatronics in the documentary, and in motion, you see them moving, a lot (the entire point of using the mechanical arm was so that it could suddenly bend downwards at the elbow in the middle of the shot, after the creature tightens).
Here are relevant quotes (and further screenshots) from the documentary Furious Gods, from people who definitely know what they're talking about:

Neal Scanlan (Creature and special make up FX supervisor): "The mechanical team is interesting on this, because digital technology is obviously stunning. If you can imagine it, you can almost do it now. But I think that Ridley has put an onus on doing everything practical."

http://s13.postimg.org/qa8hmz5hy/Animatronic_hammerpede.jpg

Rafe Spall (actor, Milburn): "We took a week to shoot that, just me Sean and Ridley on this extraordinary set, with these animatronics, like, five different snakes and a fake arm and this whole team behind this whole thing; it was just a thrill."

Ridley Scott (director): "Straighten out, straighten out. Break the arm! Break the arm!" http://s11.postimg.org/tp2aic9c3/Break_the_arm.jpg

Max Keene (first assistant director): "He's always been a very practical, hands on director. so if you've got some kind of creature that's wrapping around an arm, he doesn't want to just give up and let it be a pure visual effect."

http://s18.postimg.org/iyr43ji88/Mechanical_arm_tests.jpg

Scanlan: "To break Milburn's arm, it's an old gag. Rafe puts his arm behind his back, to hold a strap, which gives us a shoulder. We took a cast of his shoulder to make a cup, and to that, we created a mechanical arm. His elbow joint is cable operated mechanisms and so is the wrist and the fingers. But the overall movement is through a rodded system, so there's a person behind Rafe, tight in against his back, who's operating this movement. And on top of that was a track, which allowed the hammerpede to curl around his arm."

Also, the film also featured a lot of dummies filling in for the actors (during death scenes, for post death scenes, and at one point during the surgery scene). Some relevant images, though it applies to other characters/actors also:
Rafe Spall dummy: http://s7.postimg.org/cb4j5w60a/Spall_dummy.jpg
Ian Whyte and Noomi Rapace dummies: http://s10.postimg.org/jf6ktrg48/Whyte_and_Rapace_dummies.jpg

And here's another animatronic creature that made it into the film: http://s30.postimg.org/hqn1g1cu9/Animatronic.png

@Robot-Werewolf
There are very few times unlike with this movie for example where some 'alien-like' creatures are used in movies, that are animatronic but in post-production they edit over it with CGI so that it doesn't look the way it does during the filming. Other times they just add in an alien creature in a movie, completely with CGI which is way much more common then realized. So They don't just add in an animatronic alien or creature with out adding in CGI on it in post-production.

Moviefanatic2015, let's be frank. Gore Verbinski hasn't aksed either of us for our opinions, so neither of us could say what he can or cannot do.

We can, however, be open-minded.

If you love the movie, please watch AWE again. If you are not willing to watch AWE again then I am afraid you may not see my point.

Figurines are still perfect for certain scenarios. CGI has been used in the place of live actors. Note how Disney does not seem to be sweating the notion of a Knightley "abscence" with all this technology at their disposal.Disney called Johnny's bluff.
They replaces actors with CGI now.Rum, please.

@jamesboland
You don't know what you're talking about. I don't need to watch AWE again. I've seen several times and I even own it on Blu-ray. There is no point because you're wrong, very wrong. Figurines are not used in these movies, period. Only the Actors and cgi when needed. Yes, CGI has been use in place of live actors but not to take away the actors role from him or her. For example, Davy Jones is played by actor Bill Nighy, and this is what he looks like with the CGI suit before and after post-production -> http://i.imgur.com/M9AfC.gif There is also these images that you can look at to see what I'm trying to explain to you -> https://www.google.com/search?q=billy+nighy+with+cgi+davy+jones+suit&espv=2&biw=1600&bih=775&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjj79GU4p7LAhXMQyYKHTc4B5MQ_AUIBygC#imgrc=_

What an odd reply.

@Robot-Werewolf
I edited my previous reply a bit. so you can re-read it now.

Ear-regardless, I think by now you've had a chance to reread the posts, watch AWE in High Def a few more times and compare. Which is nothing to fret over becuase those pirate ships have sailed long before there were steam powered developments, both at sea and in cinema.

Speaking of technology, I thoroughly agree with your statements about the myriad of things CGI is used for. It literally can do all the things you describe... and so much more.

With all the links that have been provided, it's really an open-and-shut case: figurines, dummies, marionettes, animatronics, etc. have a life of their own and have etched their place in film for years to come. Indeed special effects crews are to this day using all of the aforementioned techniques and then some.

Depite Poplar belief, Disney doesn't write cheques for 1.25B without blinking an eye.dead pile o' crap twin-o-lanternOne more drink for the shrink to be ignored by his ex.

@jamesboland
You STILL don't get it, do you? I don't need to watch any of these films when I already know how these films are made! I've seen every single one of the Pirates of the Caribbean films a countless amount of times. There are NO figurines, no dummies, no marionettes, and no animatronics, etc, used in the Pirates of the Caribbean films. These films only use the real actors and sometimes stunt doubles when the actor declines to do a dangerous stunt. And no, figurines, dummies, marionettes and animatronics do NOT have a life of their own. They are FAKE! They are NOT Real people! None of those kinds of things are used in movies except for stop-motion films. So no, Special effect crews are NOT to this day, using any of those things you've mentioned. You are WAY behind on how big budget movies are made, if you seriously think that's how they are made which they are not made that way, Period. Here are a bunch of behind the scenes videos for the Pirates of the Caribbean films, that show the real actors working on each movie to further prove to you that only the real actors star in these movies.
-> https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Pirates+of+the+Caribbean+behind+the+scenes&tbm=vid

Don't get what? I agree that CGI is the most powerful cinematic tool used in post production.

But I don't agree when you declare a technique extinct.

Animatronics are alive and well >
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87bHLWG2mL0
Leftover Depp Footage + Bloomper Reels + CGI = Sparrowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sSE_wtcRZU
^ Figurines can be, and are, used for quick stills or light stunts.

These videos show the technology in its purest form. Imagine how real those examples would look in post production and how convincing the final product would be.

You can embrace the future without burying the past.

Rum, then.

@jamesboland
What you do not get is that I don't need to watch any of these films when I already have and since I already know how these films are made! I've seen every single one of the Pirates of the Caribbean films a countless amount of times. There are NO figurines, no dummies, no marionettes, and no animatronics, etc, used in the Pirates of the Caribbean films. These films only use the real actors and sometimes stunt doubles when the actor declines to do a dangerous stunt. And no, figurines, dummies, marionettes and animatronics do NOT have a life of their own. They are FAKE! They are NOT Real people and don't have a life of their own! None of those kinds of things are used in movies except for stop-motion films. So no, Special effect crews are NOT to this day, using any of those things you've mentioned. You are WAY behind on how big budget movies are made, if you seriously think that's how they are made which they are not made that way, Period. Here are a bunch of behind the scenes videos for the Pirates of the Caribbean films, that show the real actors working on each movie to further prove to you that only the real actors star in these movies. And No, Those videos you posted are only little action figure toys and are not used in movies  . And lastly, No, There is No Leftover Depp Footage or Blooper Reels in the Pirates of the Caribbean films . That's not how these movies are made and You are WAY behind on how movies are made.
-> https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Pirates+of+the+Caribbean+behind+the+scenes&tbm=vid

None of those kinds of things are used in movies except for stop-motion films. So no, Special effect crews are NOT to this day, using any of those things you've mentioned.

I already have read it and everyone on this thread is wrong, regarding how these Pirates of the Caribbean films are made as well as other live action films. I'm referring to You, Jamesboland and erickiam85.

I've backed up my statements with proof, which is more than I can say for some.

Well that's irrelevant proof. Movies are made with the real actors, stunt doubles, the crew, the director, the producers, built sets, cgi sets, location sets. Movies are not made with animatronic people, dummies, marionettes all of which are only used for theme park rides and for stop-motion films. Once you and everyone else on this thread learn to accept that, it will be a lot easier for you and everyone else on this thread understand and learn how movies are made.

Well, that 'irrelevant proof' has proved you wrong several times. Animatronics, dummies, and marionettes have been used during the production of many films over the years. And you still seem confused as to what stop motion films actually are and how they're made (as previously discussed, attempting to make them with marionettes, which are puppets on strings held up by people, would not work). Unless you're just feigning ignorance...

No, It has not in fact proved me wrong at all. Animatronics have been used to very very briefly to replace an actor in a movie, but never have dummies or marionettes or animatronics replaced an actor in their role in an entire movie, Ever. They are used very very briefly. No, I'm not confused as to what stop-motion films are and how they are made, but stop-motion films are not live action films and they don't use live actors in stop-motion films. Only clay characters or marionettes are used in stop-motion films. And live action films only use real actors and they use stunt doubles when needed.

Marionettes are puppets held up on strings and controlled by human puppeteers. Stop motion is a slow process requiring tiny movements of stationary models, captured one frame at a time to give the illusion of movement. Marionettes are not used for stop motion films, for reasons that should be obvious. We've had this discussion, in this thread.

If you know all of that then why are you insisting that Marionettes and Stop-Motion stationary models are used in live action movies, like Jamesboland and erickiam85 and Robot-Werewolf are insisting when in fact they are wrong ?  Only real people, real actors and real stunt doubles are used in live action movies, not animatronics, not marionettes and not stationary models. That's the point that I am trying to make to everyone on this thread.

You're either very confused or pretending to be.

No, Actually I'm not confused nor am I pretending to be confused either. If anything, You and the others on this thread are the ones who that are confused or pretending to be confused. I know that movies only use the real actors and stunt doubles, and that they don't use animatronic people or dummies or marionettes or figurines or anything of those sorts. I know you and everyone else on this thread except for myself is just trolling it to death. And I know that nobody in their right mind would ever think that aimatronics, dummies, marionettes and figurines have lives of their own or that they completely replace an actors part in a movie which they do not. Anyone who believes that antimatronics, dummies, marionettes and figurines have lives of their own needs to make an appointment to see a psychiatrist.

Your previous reply made no sense, and didn't even seem to be aimed at me.

Anyone who believes that antimatronics, dummies, marionettes and figurines have lives of their own needs to make an appointment to see a psychiatrist

@Robot-Werewolf
I said that because just about everyone on this "Animatronics (and marionettes) in movies" thread, has been saying that movies use animatronics, dummies, etc. Which that is just not how movies are made because movies use the real actors most of the time, and stunt doubles when the actors decline to do stunts themselves. If you're not one of the forum members on this thread who has been under that assumption and I said something, that implied that you're one of the members on here who thinks that and you actually don't then I apologize to you for that.

Movies are made with every tool at the production company's disposal, as far as I can tell. Moving forward, there are just some times when the real thing is the best thing and other times whe it's not.

What should they blow up, a figurine or a stunt double? Who's should fly over a stadium, a stunt double or a marionette? Who gets buried in an avalanche, a dummy or a fool?

When I provide links and invite you to see for yourself, you decline the invitation.

So I suggest you give Pirates 3 another viewing becuase you can really see the CGI seams, more so on the DVD anyway, which is why I aksed.

You really wouldn't expect all those results came from the same methods, would you? There's a certain magic to it all, not just puppet strings or mechanical neck movements.Johnny Depp appeared in the form
of leftover footage, Bloomper reels,
gag reels, dailies, surveilance video
and the best CGI department Disney
could buy.Take the rum.

@Jamesboland
You can go ahead and get rid of that bottom message because No, Johnny Depp did not in fact appear in the form of leftover footage, blooper reels, gag reels, dailies, surveillance video in the Pirates of the Caribbean films. And no that's not something that Disney uses in the Pirates of the Caribbean films.

Your dead wrong on that. Also, No, Figurines, marionettes and dummies are not used in live action films so you can get that out of your thick head. I declined the invitation of your links because you don't know how movies are made because you are clearly clueless on how movies are made.

I don't have to give Pirates 3 another viewing and no there is no CGI seems and not even on the Dvd and Blu-ray, because the CGI team responsible for putting all of that in these movies are better at it then you seem to realize. I suggest you re-watch Pirates 3 yourself and see that nothing of that nature that you mentioned is in it.

And lastly there are no puppets used in those movies or animatronics or marionettes either, just the real actors and real stunt doubles and the sets and outdoor location sets and CGI that's added in on some of the characters in post production and on already existing location sets or built sets too if needed.

Now, now, there's a logical explanation to all of this.

Who do you think jumps out of windows or falls off of tall buildings in Modern movies? A stunt double? Really? With a big net below and 3 union firefighters standing by to catch him?

Nay. Still a dummy, weighted perfectly, and falling naturally to the earth below.

You didn't want to click my links, so I don't understand why you are arguing with me and others on this point. So here's what you missed: 1) an example of animatronics in modern film and 2) an example of action figures being used in modern film techniques.

I'd be happy to post examples of marionettes once you can comment on having watched my other examples.

Until then, i don't know how you can also refute the CGI techniques that seem to be eluding you.Notice how actors aren't as demanding anymore?
Yea, they're replaceable.More rum.

@Jamesboland
Who do I think jumps out of windows or falls off of buildings in modern movies? A stunt double. That's what their job is so that that the famous actor or actress doesn't get injured. So Yes, A stunt double. Dummies are not used for that in movies. I don't have to click your links because I know how movies are made and you clearly don't and you show that you don't every time you post on here. Animatronics are not used in movies anymore because of the advancement of technology in computers and more stunt doubles and actors are used for that nowadays then they used to be. Marionettes are not used in movies and that's something that you need to learn, because marionettes are used only for stop-motion films like how clay characters are used. Lastly, If anything, I don't know how YOU can refute CGI technique that seem to be eluding yourself. Trust me, You're not fooling anyone.

Marionettes are not used in stop-motion films.

Team America: https://alienationmentale.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/teamamerica_1024.jpg
Being John Malkovich: http://www.asharperfocus.com/images/Malkovich-1.jpg

Those are marionettes.

@Robot-Werewolf
Yes, They are used in stop-motion films and the images you just posted prove that. Plus, You said at the bottom of your post that they are marionettes.

Neither of those films are stop motion.

@Robot-Werewolf
Then what are they since they are not stop-motion ?  (Obviously they are not live action like the Pirates of the Caribbean films  ).

Both are live action.

Being John Malkovich is a live action film with human actors, with sequences featuring marionettes, controlled by the characters (the main character is a puppeteer): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25_F9irGdow

Team America is a live action puppet film, with marionettes as main characters, controlled by offscreen puppeteers. Scenes were recorded in the typical fashion, with other live elements, such as fire - very different from the stop motion process, which we've discussed previously: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMzCRIYBPnI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mTmeOxEDo4

@Robot-Werewolf
You're missing my point. Team America is not a live action film it is a puppet film with puppets with small scale sets, not a film with real people or regular normal sized sets(and occasional natural outdoor indoor location sets) like the Pirates of the Caribbean films.

Your point conveniently changes every time you realise you've been proven wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_live-action_puppet_films

@robot-werewolf
Once again, Team America is not a live action film it is a puppet film with puppets with small scale sets, not a film with real people or regular normal sized sets(and occasional natural outdoor indoor location sets) like the Pirates of the Caribbean films. If you would let yourself see that then we wouldn't getting this far, on this ridiculous conversation that forum member jamesboland started several posts back.

I didn't compare it to Pirates of the Caribbean, or say the humans involved appeared onscreen, or comment on the size of the sets. It's a live action puppet film. Which, just in case we end up in this particular loop again, is not to be confused with a stop motion film.

@Robot-Werewolf
That puppet movie you were talking about earlier is not live action though. It is just a small scale movie set with puppets. A movie with a small scale movie set and a regular live action movie are 2 totally different kinds of movies.

Are you under the impression that people have to appear in front of the camera for it to count as live action? Live action simply means that it's not an animated film (such as, say, a stop motion film). They turned the camera on, called 'action', and recorded takes until they had what they needed. Team America is a live action puppet film. Accept it.

@Robot-Werewolf
No, I KNOW that people(actors) have to appear in front of the camera for it count as live action. If a film doesn't have actors appearing in front of the camera then it doesn't count as live action. Although, For some 'nature' documentaries like Disney's 'Disney Nature' films for example, actors don't appear in front of the camera for those kind of films and they are still live action films.

Then frankly, you don't know what you're talking about.

@Robot-Werewolf
I know EXACTLY what i'm talking about. You just don't realize that.

I'm still entertaining the theory that you're just pretending to be wrong about everything in order to entertain yourself. I just can't decide if that's better or worse than being consistently wrong and insisting that you're right.

@Robot-Werewolf
No, I'm not pretending to be wrong at all and neither am I consistently being wrong and insisting that i'm right. That's where you're wrong about me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq8smKtru6w

@RobotWerewolf
You can disbelieve me all you want but I am telling you the truth. I would never lie to you about that.

It is the combination of the tried, the true and the new that makes the director's cut.

The problem lies in dismissing reliable techniques as archaic while refusing to fully embrace state of the art technology, the thought of which seems absurd.

Yes, dummies get thrown out of windows. Yes, action figures emerge from model spaceships. And apparently right under your nose.

Animatronics have not been superseded by anything. For the appropriate application, it is the most cost-effective and realistic way to accomplish the goal. Conversely, sometimes hiring a big name actor is more expensive than hiring a CGI team.

Try watching one, just one of the links I've posted and you'll understand why.CGI combined with footage, outtakes,
deleted scenes, bloomper reels,
gag reels, studio surveilance tapes, etc.One more for the shrink.

@Jamesboland
The problem is that you are WAY behind on how movies are made. Those 'Reliable Techniques' that you're talking about are not even something that's done in movies anymore.

Dummies are now replaced by stunt doubles in movies, action figures are now replaced by CGI in movies and apparently right under YOUR own nose not mine.

Yes, Animatronics have been superimposed by CGI in movies, you just have to watch how its done to understand that better.

And No, hiring a big name actor is not more expensive then hiring a CGI team and at least not to any movie making team of any movie. They still use real actors and sometime limited CGI on an actor when needed, not to fully replace them in their role though.

Try watching one of the much more recent movies videos on how cgi is used in movies, YOU yourself will better understand how it's all done. I already know how movies are made. It's you who needs a bit more of an education on that apparently.

action figures are now replaced by CGI in movies and apparently right under YOUR own nose not mine.

Dummies are now replaced by stunt doubles in movies,

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@JLawsVeggies
That's what I'd like to know as well.

Avoiding the point to side with someone who's just trolling? Is there any chance of an actual discussion on these boards anymore?

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@Robot-Werewolf
It's pretty obvious that you are trolling this thread just like everyone else on it, except for forum member Big_Rig and myself.

Now that was uncalled for.

If you wish to continue with the discussion, I'd like to know why you are telling people that you know how movies are made and they don't.

After being presented with numerous examples of animatronics, stunt dummies and the like, you still deny thier usage. CGI has its own niche. It's not used to replace techniques. But it has been used to replace people.

At least watch the examples before playing the ostrich.Mr. Depp has been photographed, videotaped, etc. thousands of times. The CGI department had pleanty to work with.A little rum?

@Jamesboland
Nothing was uncalled for. You and Robot-Werewolf clearly don't know how movies are made. You've even shown that you don't know how movies are made, because the way you think they are made is very wrong. You, nor anyone else needs to present me with numerous example of animatronics, stunt dummies, etc, because those things are not used in movies. Only the real actors and the real stunt doubles are used, Period. CGI is used only when needed but not to fully replace any actor from their role in a movie, which you seem to have a hard time understanding that for some reason. CGI is in fact used to replace techniques that you seem to think are still used but in fact are not still used in movies. And no, it hasn't ever been used to replace actors from their roles in movies.

Nothing was uncalled for. You and Robot-Werewolf clearly don't know how movies are made. You've even shown that you don't know how movies are made, because the way you think they are made is very wrong.

@Robot-Werewolf
What are you trying to show me with that top link ? 

You've even shown that you don't know how movies are made, because the way you think they are made is very wrong.

Movie Fanatic, you may wish to view the evidence before ruling in the case. Maybe then people would take you a little more seriously.

When you dismiss action figures and animatronics as obselete, it makes me seriously wonder how you could "know how movies are made."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87bHLWG2mL0
Captain Sparrow is no different.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sSE_wtcRZU

There is an unforgettable video out there in which a young Woman is acting right alongside a representation of a man who was not present for the filming. He was deceased and the computer imagery team dug up some footage of him. If you're interested, I'll search ''unforgettable video'' on YouTube or something so you could see it with your own eyes.

In the meantime, let's all stay civil. We'll get this hashed out. You'll see.

Take the rum.

Jamesboland, Action figures were ONLY used in small budget films like the Small Soldier movie from 1998 -> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0122718/?ref_=nv_sr_1 . They are NOT used in regular big budget films. And Animatronic people don't replace actors or actresses in their roles in movies. Animtronic body parts are used in movies sometimes, but NEVER to replace an actor or actresses role in a movie. Antimatronics replacing actors entirely in their roles is just something that isn't done in films. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news for you, but yeah that's how it is. Sorry.

Check out the making of ESB. There's an action figure.

And rewatch AWE now that you know what to lok for. This is your chance to show that you're not playing the ostrich. The CGI in POTC3 was Disney's way of showing that they really could do anything they want.(1.25B is nothing to scoff at.)Again with the rum.

@Jamesboland
Nothing of that nature was used in Empire Strikes Back, only the actors, sets, props, and And early CGI used for the aliens in that movie and the spaceships in space scenes and the light sabers. And for the last time(hopefully), Yes, The CGI in Pirates 3 was Disney's way of showing that they could anything they want, but not to replace an actor from their role in that movie. They only very brief time Jack Sparrow was CGI'd in Pirates 3 was one we see a far away shot of him swinging on the rope of one of the ships as shown here -> https://bplusmovieblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/pirates-of-the-caribbean-at-worlds-end-2251.png?w=590

You think there was only one CGI scene?

Anyway, watch ESB, the scene in which the protagonist is stranded. As he is rescued, he lowers himself into the hatch of his companion's space ship. That's a figurine. Pause that bad boy and see what role Kenner plays in major films.

Did you click the TMNT action figures behind-the-scenes link? The animatronic storm trooper link?The CGI of Johnny Depp in Pirates 3 is unsurpassed.

@jamesboland
The image of Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow in my previous post, is the only part where he's cgi'd in Pirates 3 and for a very brief amount of time. I don't need to watch Empire Strikes Back because I've already seen that movie plenty of times. And No, That's not a figurine in that scene, I can confirm to you that you are in fact wrong. Also, No, I didn't click the TMNT action figures behind the scenes link or the animatronic trooper links, because those are only kids small action figure toys. Those are not what you think they are and they are not used the way you think they are. Those are not used in the movies. That video you once showed me of Star Wars stormtroopers are just small action figure toys, and that was just someones fan made video with them being used in it. I don't know if you're trying to fool me or if your just not that intelligent, but I know for a fact that it's definitely one of those two things.

Now, now, we both knew going in this the difference between big time movies and children's toys, fan films and Almond Joy.

What I'm trying to show you is how things look in pre-production and those short films are perfect for it.

Sorry you don't wish to view ESB, but in that scene it's an action figure popping out of the hatch. Call Disney and aks if you must.Just some footage, stills, green screen scenes, etc. is childs play for the CGi dept.Some rum, then.

@Jamesboland
Show me a clip of that scene in Empire Strikes Back that you're talking about, and then I'll tell you if it is in fact what you say it is or isn't that.

Nothing of that nature was used in Empire Strikes Back, only the actors, sets, props, and And early CGI used for the aliens in that movie and the spaceships in space scenes and the light sabers.

@Robot-Werewolf
No, I'm not referring to the special editions for which some shots were updated with digital effects. I'm referring to the original version of the movie with out the updated digital effects. And those images you've shown me are of props from that movie for effects shots, not miniature figures because that isn't a movie where the miniature figures are the star of the movie like stop-motion films, puppet films, etc.

Miniature figures were used to complete the effects. They are miniature figures, used to fill in for the main actors during certain scenes. It's not up for debate. You were wrong to say 'Nothing of that nature was used in Empire Strikes Back'. I'm not, however, claiming that the film was a stop motion or puppet film.

Now, which CG aliens were you claiming appeared in the film?

@Robot-Werewolf
Do you have picture proof or video proof to back up that claim, that miniature figures were used for Empire Strike Back ?  If there were miniature figures were used for some scenes of Empire Strikes Back, then that is understandable considering it's a film from 1980. Although, It's much more likely that there were only miniature figures of the creates for CG scenes, and not the actors though because CGI wasn't that quite advanced at that time.

You've already been given links to pictures. But here's a video showing some of the models used for shots of tauntauns being ridden, narrated by Mark Hamill: https://youtu.be/mIlYk7KQe-s?t=4m48s

@Robot-Werewolf
That was interesting. But I will tell you that I did notice something about that video. I noticed that how they did that was that the stop-motion shots in the parts of that scene was when Mark Hamill face wasn't shown, but the parts where his face was shown wasn't stop motion. I just thought I'd point that out to you in case you didn't know that.

No problem...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSu3qz5SmPU

Around the 36 seconds mark, you can see an action figure rising.I'm not kidding about Johnny Depp either. Please watch it again.What happened to the rum?

@Jamesboland
Okay, I watched the part several time you were talking about in that video and that is NOT an action figure. That is Mark Hamill or a stunt double person falling.

He said 'rising', not 'falling'.
http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/974.jpg

Thanks for watching, but I'm afraid you'll need to watch it again to see what I mean.

You're right that we do see the real Mark Hamill in that scene, but the action figure wasn't of him. Mark Hamill himself, not a stunt double, is being slowly lowered several feet while hanging by his left arm.

The action figure was of the Colt45 guy, Rising Up as the hatch opens. Probably a Kenner action figure.

http://www.robohara.com/pix/blog/star_wed_lando1.jpgJust aks JD about CGI in POTC.One more for the shrink.

Thanks, but I am aware that Mark Hamill's face is not stop-motion.

@Robot-Werewolf
No, What I meant was that when his face is shown in that scene, that's him and when his face isn't shown in that scene that isn't him.

Mark Hamill played Luke in the shots that quite clearly featured Mark Hamill. A mini figure played him in the effects shots. I know.

@Robot Werewolf
Yes, A mini figure played him in that scene but only when we don't see his face.

You aren't telling me anything that I don't already know.

@Robot-Werewolf
Oh, okay. Lol  I think we ought to get back to the subject of this thread which is 'If actors keep jumping ship, it may as well be all CGI'. Well, Let me pitch in a tell you that that's not how that works. When a actor jumps ship 'sorta speak' like Keira Knightley who wasn't in Pirates 4 and won't be in a Pirates 5, they don't CGI them back into the next movie because that is just not something that is done. Here is a little more about it here -> http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/movie-guide/hollywood+north+pirates+caribbean+coming+ashore+vancouver/11792068/story.html

"Yes, A mini figure played him in that scene"

Finally. After how many posts about it? Glaad to be on the same page, matey!Footage + CGI = action, cut, take.Keep the rum.

@jamesboland
Yes, But remember it was only that one scene of that movie, and it was only done that way in that part of that scene when we don't see his face.

And in that opening sequence, Han is a figure as well, and Harrison Ford provides only his voice. The figure continues to play Han in his next scene, until he arrives back at the base and Harrison Ford reveals his face. This happens again later in the film, in the scene where Han rides up and finds Luke lying in the snow.

@Robot-Werewolf
They are only replaced by mini-figure in shots of them from far away, not in the entire movie obviously.

Figurines/miniatures/action figures are used in big budget movies, so there's no debate.CGI is virtually boundless.Bust out the rum.

@jamesboland
Yes, There is a debate because they don't use figurines, miniatures or action figures in big budget movies anymore because this isn't the 1970's or 1980's or the 1990's. CGI and the actual actors replace all that now, and stunt doubles as well when needed if the actor doesn't want to do a dangerous stunt.