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Needless Mistakes *SPOILERS*


There were two needless mistakes in No Exit, one at the beginning and one at the end, that detracted from the realism of the story.

First of all, it's unlikely that such an elaborate rebellion would spring up out of nowhere overnight. There would almost certainly be unrest, increasingly violent protests and the like before the event itself. The US government would know about this unrest and post travel advisories or warnings. Furthermore given what Pierce Brosnan explains about the cause of the rebellion, certainly the CIA, MI6 and the Cardiff company would know that trouble was brewing and warn anyone being sent there by the company on assignment.

And yet, our characters arrive in not-Cambodia seemingly as innocent as babes in the wood, without an inkling that they were arriving in an unstable country or that they should be alert for signs or trouble. This is pretty unrealistic.

Secondly, at the end, our characters escape to Vietnam on an empty river and arrive seemingly all alone. In reality, after a bloody and successful rebellion like the one depicted in the movie, there would be thousands of refugees pouring out of the country. That river would be jammed with boats, and there would be many, many not-Cambodians already on the VN side of the border. This is completely unrealistic and diminished the credibility of the ending.

Then there's the laughable idea that the Vietnamese border guards warn would-be refugees from a not-Cambodian revolution in English; they then warn off the not-Cambodian soldiers pursuing the refugees, also in English. If there is a lingua franca between Vietnam and not-Cambodia, wouldn't it more likely be French? But don't soldiers and border guards usually shout at each other in their own languages and damn the consequences?

These were both unnecessary mistakes. A few lines of dialog could have fixed the first problem, and showing a hundred or extras in the background could have fixed the second one. That they didn't bother to do this is sloppy, which is too bad in an otherwise entertaining, intense and fast-paced thriller.

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Wait u expect realism when da star is Owen Wilson?

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Totally agree with you on all points. I found it very weird that they arrived at night and their first morning the coup happen. Maybe it was back by factions in the military. If I remember correctly one of the guys standing over the prime minister's body was wearing a military uniform. Its quite possible they just armed the people/rebels. That would have been a great thing to explore. Maybe the family knew there were problems brewing but Cardiff said no worries everything is fine.

I also thought it weird that no other refugees were crossing the border. If the family had just moved to Phnom Penh it would take a long time without a car or powerboat to get to the Vietnam border.

I would have love to have heard what happen to the coup at the end of the movie. Just a radio broadcast, newspaper clipping from USA Today (not one from 3 days ago) or breaking news announcement from CNN saying Western forces planning unified invasion of southeast asia country would have been great. I guess the real story was the family's survival.

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Totally agree! The writers/director obviously didn't put much thought into the final product. Careless mistakes of some hacks.

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Somewhere Jean-Paul Sartre is doing cartwheels in his tomb. "No Exit" indeed.

"There were two needless mistakes in No Exit, one at the beginning and one at the end, that detracted from the realism of the story."

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Somewhere Jean-Paul Sartre is doing cartwheels in his tomb. "No Exit" indeed.

"There were two needless mistakes in No Exit, one at the beginning and one at the end, that detracted from the realism of the story."


Ha ha ha! Thanks for pointing that out. I'm not going to change the original - the mistake is too funny.

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My question is; in the last couple minutes while the family was floating towards the Vietnam border but still in the other country , why didn't the bad guys shoot the family from the shore?

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Err, try to shoot at a moving boat from a moving truck that's a couple of hundred feet away. In Darkness (even with what little light was on the river.) The rebels are just Joe Q. Farmers of their country, not superhuman sharpshooters.

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they would still try nonetheless.

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1) Regarding the start of the film:

First, Owen Wilson's character was, it seems, middle-management. Also, Wilson's character had previously owned his own business. While the movie is sparse on exposition at virtually every level, it's strongly implied by Wilson merely stating that his own business had gone under that Wilson took the job out of economic necessity after that business failed. I think we can and should infer from both Wilson's economic need and the fact that the country exploded into chaos that Wilson's company hid the full seriousness of the political situation from him simple because they wanted to get him over there, but keeping their fingers crossed (wrongly) that the rising tensions wouldn't boil over.

In short, his company played him. I would hazard a guess from the fact that they had to have known he was taking his family (including two young daughters) with him that they weren't setting him up to be a patsy -- they wouldn't have allowed his face to be plastered all over a welcome banner at the hotel, making him and those around him automatic targets -- if they had meant to have him take the fall for the unrest that his water company had caused with its manipulation of their water utility system.

Second, you don't buy that the CIA, MI6, etc., etc. would have put out advisories warning travelers and emigres to stay away? Yes, because intelligence agencies are NEVER wrong!

Third, we have a family here -- husband, wife, two young daughters, who have spent at the very least a day, possibly even upwards of 40 hours depending on where the connecting flights are and how long the layovers are -- flying from Austin, TX to Next-Door-To-Vietnam. Not only that, but they arrived in Next-Door-To-Vietnam seventeen hours before the country's prime minister was assassinated -- and Owen Wilson didn't go out to get a newspaper until several hours after they had checked into the hotel. And the copy of USA Today that he bought was three days old. By this time, the internet and phone service at the hotel were also out and Wilson's allegedly-international cell phone wasn't picking up any signals.

In short, the movie did establish that Wilson's character was cut off from, well, *every* source of information for upwards of three days. That's plenty of time for conditions in Next-Door-To-Vietnam to go from heightened concern but safe (whatever that might actually be called) to no-go.

2) Regarding the ending of the film:

While I do think that the Vietnamese would be more likely to bark their orders in French rather than English, I'm accepting the English dialogue as dramatic license. Perhaps the Vietnamese soldier on the bullhorn was barking the order in English for the benefit of this obviously American family to let them know that they were now safe -- after all, rescuing four Americans, two of them young children (and girls) would be a diplomatic coup for Vietnam, so, if you're a high ranking officer in the Vietnamese Army and you're closely monitoring the situation on the border and suddenly, you find out that these refugees are American, why not let the first thing the Americans hear be a friendly voice telling them exactly what they need to hear, especially since offering them safety and asylum is what Vietnam would and should be doing anyway in that situation? There's literally no downside to the Vietnamese person on the bullhorn to be playing to the Americans in his audience rather than to the rebels when it's the Americans who are going to make them look great to the western media.

Also, the rebels had large floodlights shining on them and, moreover, it's likely that Vietnamese military were already coming up behind them barking the same orders in French, Vietnamese and/or Cambodian. We don't need to see that because it would take us away from Owen Wilson's point of view.

Also, given the US's misadventure in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 60's and 70's, it wouldn't necessarily be unrealistic for at least some of the rebel bad guys to know English, either having picked it up from their parents or from having worked in businesses catering to western workers (hotels, etc.) Yes, it's more likely that more soldiers that knew a second language would know French, but the US has, in fact, left its mark over there, too.

So, no, IMO, neither the beginning nor the ending really present mistakes -- they're just less likely to happen than the basic circumstances would suggest. Less likely, but not UNlikely.

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I wasn't referring to Wilson finding out about the rebellion after he arrived. My point was that, if political conditions in the country were unstable, our government would know about it (and so, probably, would Cardiff); there would be information for travelers to not-Cambodia warning them of potential difficulties. There are lots of travel warnings and alerts at state.gov, including many for countries probably not on the brink of revolution. It just seemed unlikely that this country would be about to blow up and no one would have posted travel warnings about it, or that a family about to relocate there wouldn't have done some research on the conditions they were likely to find.

Re the second point: OK, maybe the use of English by the VN border guards was just for simplicity, so we would know what they were saying, or maybe they recognized our family as Americans, or at least as foreigners. But my main point was the lack of other refugees, which seems really unlikely.

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I'll give you the second point, but maybe it was just sloppy work on the writers/directors part. Using English negated the need for captions.

However, I do not totally agree with your first point. To start out, I am not an anti-government conspiracy guy. Since, as Pierce Brosnan explained, the US & British governments are involved. Since they are working with a private firm, they may travel restrictions for the general public, but could make arrangements to insure employees get over there. Owen Wilson talked like he had been an out of work guy who was real lucky to get this job, and it seemed he didn't ask a lot of questions about the firm or it's work. I imagine there are hot spots all over the world ripe for overthrow, but also believe the government, along with the key businesses, feel they can somehow protect people that are sent over there because they think the situation is controllable. And, the need to have political & business plans work out would lead them to feel there isn't that great a risk.

But, two things I did find kinda strange were 1) as a new employee they allow him to take his whole family with and 2) he talked like he was just a mid level manager, yet the welcome banner had him & two other's pictures on it.

Anyway, not looking for an argument, just stating an opinion.

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(For point two, you might want to skip down to the last paragraph. I have Asperger's, so I don't know how to chop it any further without feeling like I would be leaving out any critical details).

1) As a new employee, he was allowed to take his whole family:

This is why I think that the company wasn't trying to make him their patsy and infer from there that they had greatly underestimated the political climate in the country. Conversely, other than the Tamil Tigers and the usual state of turmoil in Nepal, Southeast Asia (more or less everything east of India) is going through an extended period of relative (and I do mean relative) stability. At least to the extent that it's plausible that no one could foresee that the assassination of Next-Door-To-Vietnam's prime minister, even if possible or plausible, would be imminent.

2) Wilson's character being a mid-level manager but his face being not just on the banner but dead center (meaning his was the most important face on the banner):

Obviously, Cardiff is a multinational corporation. In such instances, regional officers like Wilson's Dwyer could be construed as middle management relative to the company as a whole. Conversely, Dwyer was just starting this job and one could infer from the exposition both in dialogue and in this banner that Dwyer had greatly underestimated his place in the company hierarchy -- or else that the rebels greatly overestimated it.

The thing is, this is a forest-trees situation. We see things only through Dwyer's eyes and he has only very limited information that is only limited due to a perfect storm of unrelated factors and misfortunes-- we don't know how much the company might have underplayed the political situation in the country to Dwyer since the minute he took the job. We know that he and his family have already been on what is by nature the longest type of long international flights and that the civil war in the country didn't break out until 17 hours or so, the better part of three-quarters of a day, after their flight. And even after that, the family had slept for the rest of the night after they got to the hotel. And his cell phone didn't work, and the hotels internet and phones were down, the newest USA Today he can buy is three days old. And he was in a country where English wasn't the first, second or third language.

Simply put, Dwyer wasn't even given the chance to know that his timing sucked. And, yes, you'd think that British Secret Service Agent (or security contractor) Hammond would have told them when they first disembarked the plane at the airport that they should head right back to the ticket counter and get on the next flight out if he'd have known -- the fact that he didn't does, IMO, mean that the movie is saying that he was caught off-guard, too.

In short, the very premise hinges on the fact that Dwyer was cut off from every possible source of information that could give him any sort of idea what was going on -- it's the veritable worst-case scenario: you've just arrived in a country that's completely alien to you, a civil war has broken out literally at the same time that you've just gotten off the plane, with your wife and two young children, and you're (unfairly) being held responsible for causing the civil war. But you're not a politician, you're not a secret agent, you're not a nuclear scientist, you're just a mechanical engineer and a husband and a father who's trying to keep his entire family from getting killed with little assistance and virtually no resources but your own self. And with that scenario, what you have is a straight-up chase flick, not the political thriller that the terrible critics seem to want it to be and therefore treat it as being. When in actuality, the political circumstances in the country are irrelevant except as an aspect of the setting. The real MacGuffin, the thing that the Dwyers are chasing, is survival (and freedom) itself.



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Wilson's face was on the left side of the banner, but I get where you're coming from.

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There's a deleted/extended scene where Hammond tells Dwyer to stay inside the hotel for the day and Dwyer convinces his family to do that, so even Hammond didn't know how bad it was going to get.

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