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Is It Illegal to Claim Special Powers?


I don't get it: Why was Palladino arrested for doing a phony seance? Since when is this illegal? I guess we need to round up all TV evangelists and magicians, too.

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It's one thing to claim you have special powers. It another thing to use that and manipulate money out of people. It's called fraud.

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But not when it's entertainment or religion. TV evangelists pretend to heal people of cancer and blindness while asking people to call in and give donations. And magicians charge people money to watch a show in which they pretend that an illusion has occurred, even if it actually hasn't. These people aren't arrested. In the case of Palladino, he's PERFORMING in a THEATER with BOXED SEATS--it's entertainment, and people are voluntarily paying money to be entertained, inspired, etc.

Fraud is when you take someone's money under false pretenses, promising to provide them a service or to invest their money in some way, and then you never do. In the case of Palladino, the scientists didn't prove fraud--for one thing, they never established that Palladino was WRONG about anything he said or predicted (maybe the woman was healed of her stomach cancer six months later); further, showing how the illusionist/trickster did his trick does necessarily mean it's untrue (maybe the person behind the scenes is the true psychic, and Palladino is just the front man). But whether or not it's true is irrelevant since it's entertainment. I think the filmmakers are confused about how the law works.

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But he wasn't claiming that he was there to entertain. He was claiming that he was a real healer that was there to heal people. If he had claimed to be an entertainer that'd be different. Like a magician.

Source: My father who has taken many courses on law and has a masters degree.

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Also, you're thinking too much. It was a movie....

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So he publicly declared that he was practising medicine without a licence?
That's grounds for arrest in itself.

When I watched this film in the cinema, I was certain Sigourney had mentioned the specific charges the fraud was arrested for.
But I've just watched it on TV again, and no specifics are made.

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I agree. It was stupid he was in prison.

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It's not illegal to do what he was doing, no. This was merely a plot device not based in reality.

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You could conceivably get them for fraud, but I've never heard of someone claiming paranormal abilities being arrested or sued.

I think the people who go to psychics, mediums, astrologers, etc. want to believe, so they don't make any legal trouble for the con.

Also, it might be difficult to prove that someone is purposely committing fraud when its related to the supernatural. They may really think they are talking to the dead, or that their astrological readings work.

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I think prison is probably more likely to be due to the fact that someone had been investigating these people's private lives and somehow accessing their personal information into order to defraud them. He wasn't just doing cold reading, they had evidence that they were finding out information about the audience, and perhaps the way they did that broke privacy laws etc. It's one thing to pretend to be p psychic and just use psychology and tricks to manipulate people into believing you know what's going on with them through suggestion, getting them to unconsciously drop hints or respond in certain ways that provides information, and it's another to take people's money and then go and investigate them - people certainly aren't paying for that kind of invasion of privacy - they want the 'entertainer/psychic' to ascertain that information on their own, and don't expect to be investigated.

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You mean, they only consent to invasion of privacy and potential identity theft by supernatural means? :)

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There is a law in the UK called the Witchcraft Act which was passed in the eighteenth century and, was still on the statute book until well within living memory, which makes it illegal to falsely claim supernatural powers for the purposes of obtaining payment. Although I do not think that it has been used since the nineteen forties, and was finally repealed in the nineteen fifties.

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Did you also watch this on channel4?

The last person convicted under the Act was Jane Rebecca Yorke of Forest Gate in east London. On 26 September 1944 at the Central Criminal Court, Yorke was convicted on seven counts of "pretending...to cause the spirits of deceased persons to be present"

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Real life scenario:

Someone becomes sick. Goes to one of these televangelists or anyone claiming supernatural powers to heal. Gets "healed". Later on, the person decides not to seek out medical treatment since they are "healed". They die or suffer serious consequences all based on fiction when the problem could have been resolved with a hospital visit.

Unfortunately, people are gullible, especially when in times of need. They can act on impulse. And they can truly believe they were healed, simply because they want it badly enough.

Scum wishing to make a quick buck like to prey on the vulnerability of these types of individuals. It has serious consequences. And they need to be locked up and exposed for all of the harm they cause.

These people are no different than con-artists. It's deception to gain money.


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In Canada there is a law on the law books that actually makes claiming psychic powers or magical abilities illegal since it's usually accompanied with the asking of money for services. It's called "charlantanism" and is illegal. The number of cases that actually gets charged or convicted is basically zero though since people actually BELIEVE in these types of "abilities". Just look at any large city and you'll find psychics, hands-on-healers (reiki), large "wellness" and spirituality conferences, tarot readers, etc. It is illegal to claim special powers but the greatest power is making a living at it and never being charged.

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