For discussing tonight's episode.
I'm watching something else so I will catch it later on tonight on my dvr and will be back here later!
Tony seems a lot more likable in this episode. He seems to be willing to wait until December but Mykelti is the one saying no.
shareThese episodes are awesome. The scene with Mariah & Kody and the chats were eye opening and so real. Plus Tony seems more comfortable.
shareMykelti wants to get married 'before school starts'. Is that just so everyone will attend or is she planning on going to school? 🎼 dumdedumdum 🎼
shareOne thing really stuck out, and I bet the producers edited the show this way on purpose. They juxtaposed forgiveness and vulnerability between Meri and Mariah, and Meri and Janelle. The first half of the show is Kody putting pressure on Mariah to forgive Meri. Mariah says that Meri has been harping on her for forgiveness and to resume their relationship, but Mariah isn't there yet. Kody then says something like "if you never talk to me again, I'll be fine because my love for you is unconditional, but if you don't talk to your mom soon, she'll die", and Mariah (rightly) exclaims"how can you put all this pressure on me, im a kid!" In the second half we see Meri and Janelle attending therapy for their relationship, where they admit they can't ride in the same car together, or spend time alone together talking about vulnerability because ....... dun dun dun dah..... they aren't there yet! So, Meri can take her sweet time reconciling with Janelle, but has Mariah on a countdown, because Meri will die if Mariah doesn't talk to her. Meri's dependence on Mariah is unhealthy, and I think it is good for Mariah to establish herself apart from Meri. Mariah came so close to saying to Kody that she can't be her mom's sole reason for living, and Kody should have thought about that for a moment. Funny how Meri wants Mariah to "get over it already" and forgive her, but Meri can't even be alone with Janelle in a car and is ok with that. This episode should have been titled "The Brown Family: We're Not There Yet".
shareWow! Epic parallel Janderson! I missed part of last weeks episode...missed the entire scene w/Mariah and Kody, so I'm hoping to catch it tonight. You def made an excellent point👍🏼
Poor is the woman whose pleasure depends on the permission of another
JMO, But I think something is off with Tony. I think he and Mykelti are rushing to get married (yes I know they are getting married December) and I don't get what the rush is. I still say she's just trying to out do Madison. I do really feel sorry for Kody if he actually does think that Tony and Mykelti aren't knocking boots.
Mariah is still just as self centered and narcissistic as ever. She wasn't hearing it at all when Kody was telling her that nothing actually happened--it didn't. Mariah IS NOT a kid anymore. She's a grown college student. It was a bit of a surprise to hear Kody say that he had a part in Meri's actions and what she went through. At some point (if she already hasn't) Mariah will have to come to the conclusion that she will need to forgive her mother and talk to her. You only have one mother. We are all only human and we all make mistakes.
I don't think the relationship with Janelle and Meri will ever change. There's been way too much damage(can't even ride in the same car together??). Someone who has read their book please refresh our memory and let us know what it was Meri did to Janelle in their early years together. Seems I remember it being said that Meri was constantly mean to Janelle way back then. I think what set that in motion was the fact that Janelle got pregnant first.
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shareTony is creepy as frick!! Someone on another board said Tony found his inner reality show whore....He seems to love being on camera even though the camera does not love him...
shareI agree....something about him is off and I can't put my finger on it. Some here have said it seems he may have a hearing problem.
shareMariah is still just as self centered and narcissistic as ever. She wasn't hearing it at all when Kody was telling her that nothing actually happened--it didn't. Mariah IS NOT a kid anymore. She's a grown college student. It was a bit of a surprise to hear Kody say that he had a part in Meri's actions and what she went through. At some point (if she already hasn't) Mariah will have to come to the conclusion that she will need to forgive her mother and talk to her. You only have one mother. We are all only human and we all make mistakes.
There's plenty of blame to go around in this but Mariah continually tries to make it all about her. "I told her she was being catfished and she wouldn't listen to me." "I told her what was going on" "She keeps pressuring me to talk to her" It's been over a year, when will it be a good time to start talking about it and getting past it? Mariah doesn't seem to want to because she's making it ALL ABOUT HER and refuses to acknowledge what Meri was feeling at the time. Mariah doesn't want to make an effort to try and understand what Meri was feeling at the time.
It's a good thing that some of the family is in therapy because they most definitely need it.
Mariah wants Meri on her knees begging her for forgiveness and admitting that Mariah was right. Even though I do think Mariah is self centered and bratty, it is hard to forgive someone that hasn't owned up to their mistakes. An apology without accepting responsibility is somewhat hollow. Meri is the one that needs to have an honest discussion with Mariah.
shareAgreed, however, Meri has told the whole family numerous times that she's sorry. I really don't know what else she can do. Saying your sorry is admitting you made a mistake--at least in my view.
shareAs I've said before I think Meri involved Mariah in the more then what we are seeing on TV and I think thats why she's more mad, b/c she didn't want to know and be in the middle of it, Meri has an unhealthy attachment to Mariah
"I told her what was going on".
Yes, what we're seeing now took place in May of this year as Madison got married in June and Meri had went to see Mariah in February I believe.
share I understand how Mariah feels. When I was 18 my mom left my dad. My mom was my hero, my role model, my everything. It was a whiplash causing slap in the face when she up and left. Over night I had to come to terms w/the fact that my mother, the one who usually made everything all better, was the one blowing up our lives. Decades later, as an adult woman, wife, and mother, I understand there was far more to it all then I could see then. But it took me a long time to forgive her and make peace emotionally with her choices.
Meri is dealing w/many different issues. We are privy to probably more than Mariah is. Even if we aren't, Meri isn't our mother. Mariah will hopefully come around, but it is going to be on her terms and in her time frame. The more Meri pushes, the longer it will take. Unfortunately Meri is going to have to accept she made a mistake and hurt her daughter. She is going to have to forgive herself for that. It would behoove both Meri and Mariah if Meri took this time to work on forgiving herself so she is ready to move forward w/Mariah when Mariah is ready.
Mariah needs to realize she is not part of the marriage. She has no forgiveness because she has created the crime against her in her own mind. Meri has done nothing to her.
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Be kinder than necessary. J.M. Barrie
It's not about Meri doing anything to her. It's about coming to terms w/her mother not being the perfect being she saw her as. She had her on a pedestal and now she is realizing that Meri is a flawed human being like everyone else. Meri is calling it "forgiveness", but it isn't really forgiveness. It's simply accepting her humanity and allowing their relationship to evolve. Once Mariah comes to terms w/it their relationship will be stronger. In theory anyway...
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