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This was absolutely TERRIFYING. Brilliantly written. What a surprise.


This film should've gotten more publicity and not dumped to VOD. What a shame.

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Brilliantly written? What planet are you from? The dialogue is awful and cheesy, it's like every character walks around narrating everything they see and every emotion they feel out loud, it's horrible. It's hardly terrifying but what scares people is different depending on the person so you can have that. The writing on the other hand is so full of plot holes and 2 dimensional characters it literally made me cringe during multiple points in the movie. I was embarrassed for the director who is clearly out of touch with how people actually talk, react and interact.

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a majority of the film was improvised. Intelligent filmmaking allows FF flicks like this to have a constructed scene and give the actors space to say what they want, having the camera continue rolling. Guess the audience didn't get that.

Go watch some more Transmorphers. Just shows people are accustomed to *beep* scripts like that and lines like "DOM, WE GOTTA GO SAVE LETTY!" Fast & Furious 33.

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Improvised film making works only if you have competent actors who can come up with decent dialogue or get basic emotions across. I'm just gonna assume you worked on this movie because no one without a personal investment in this film would say what you are saying.

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You would be wrong about that. I thought the movie was good all around.

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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It is a piece of crap.

Intelligent, witty improvised filmmaking is Spinal Tap. This is intro to awful film 101.

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Don't blame Levinson; he directed it and came up with the idea, but somebody else wrote it...






"Your mother puts license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?!"

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i stopped after 13 minutes.
and it wasn't because i was 'terrified'.

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IMO:

Terrifying: yes. Brilliantly written: maybe no. Surprise: yes (I expected something much worse.) underrated: maybe

Anyway, I really liked this movie. It didn't have any really big surprises, but enough small ones, so it slightly surprised me few times. I didn't like the few jump scares, but there were only few of them. There were also few unrealistic things, but generally it was believable. Also few plot holes annoyed me slightly.

The Finnish DVD back cover text was confusing and wrong. "The parasites first take control of victims minds and then their bodies." So I was expecting zombies.

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I will respectfully disagree. If anything, I found it to be boring and exceptionally poorly written. I would venture to say to say that I found the film to be about on par with Silent Hill: Revelation 3D as one of the worst horror releases of 2012. And in fact, I found the two films shared many of the same detractors and issues in terms of feeling aimless, contrived and thoroughly unscary with their reliance on gross-out gore effects. Although kudos for finding it entertaining and well-made. I simply did not.

I suppose my main problem, which I have mentioned before on other threads, is that the film fundamentally is a confused, unfocused mess with far too many production issues, plot contrivances, and under-developed storylines to ignore. It has no aim, and dives headlong into a series of poorly edited story vignettes that it jarringly cuts back and forth between.

This is what my head was thinking the entire time: Ok, so the film's about this reporter. No wait, it's about these scientists. No wait, it's about some little girl on her iPhone. No wait, it's about the reporter again. No wait, it's about some random woman's family on a boat. No wait, it's about these two teenagers who are introduced and immediately killed off. No wait, it's about the CDC. No wait, it's about some Sheriff deputies. No wait, it's about the reporter again. No wait, it's about that little girl again. No wait, it's about a corrupt mayor. No wait, it's... it's... it's not about anything!

It felt like the film was cobbled together from about six different films. And as a result, none of the characters get any development beyond one-dimensional descriptions.

Add to that a plethora of storytelling betrayals, and the plot just unravels. I mean, this is literally a film where the sort-of lead character literally just walks away from the movie before the final act, forcing us to focus on a random ancillary character (the woman from the boat) we don't care about, just so they can build a contrived climax out of bad gross-out gore and some of the most poorly executed jump-scares I've ever seen. I honestly think that the entire climax was added in re-shoots, because it felt like a different film entirely and didn't work with anything that had come before.

I found the environmental message to be about as subtle as a brick to the head. The acting was atrocious. (Donna the reporter sounded like Microsoft Sam in how monotone and emotionless she was.) The music was bland and unneeded for this sort-of mockumentary/found-footage style, and made the film feel all the more artificial. The digital effects were uniformly poor. The sound editing and quality was some of the worst I've heard. The revelation of what is causing it felt underwhelming. The constant attempts at phoned-in socio-political commentary actually made me slap my forehead and shout "That's just freakin' stupid!" (When we head someone say something along the lines of: "What was that group? Al Queda, I think they were called? Maybe they did it?!" My head sank into my hands, it was so contrived and silly)

This is a film that just gets worse and worse the more I think about it. It's one of those movies that actually was able to make me angry that I had bothered watching it.

And FURTHERMORE, this is my signature! SERIOUSLY! Did you think I was still talking about my point?

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" . . the film fundamentally is a confused, unfocused mess . . plot contrivances, and under-developed storylines . . and dives headlong into a series of poorly edited story vignettes that it jarringly cuts back and forth between . . cobbled together from about six different films . . none of the characters get any development beyond one-dimensional descriptions."

Ummm . . you just described a "found-footage" film; specifically one assembled from a variety of fictional sources. An under-developed storyline and shortage of character development were almost a given. I'm at a complete loss to even begin to understand how it would've been possible to follow various storylines through to the end or to flesh out characters without totally blowing up the primary conceit of the film.

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SloppyJ30, I've seen a number of found-footage films, and the thing is... they usually are developed and feature fleshed-out characters. You learn what you need to learn about them through their actions, dialog and reactions to the situation. They're not all vapid, as you seem to imply. This film just failed at doing so, at least in my opinion.

I don't understand how you could be at a complete loss to understand... the film simply tried to do too much in too small a frame of time. It's very possible to present a found footage film that develops the storyline and characters without breaking the conceit of the film.

And FURTHERMORE, this is my signature! SERIOUSLY! Did you think I was still talking about my point?

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I'm at a loss because I believe this sub-genre has inherent limitations that effectively preclude (and render largely irrelevant) traditional character development. The whole idea is usually "Sweet Zombie Jesus; something unspeakable happened, and all we know is what we can piece together from these random tapes and/or files!" Most little moments that define a character in a traditional, narrative-driven film therefore can't, by definition, exist in a FF film. But then maybe in 2014 some people film their every waking moment and I'm just too old to understand this.

I try to judge every movie on what it was trying to do, as opposed to what may have worked well in film X, Y or Z. In this case, it would make no more sense to me to say "Hey, 'The Bay' lacked character development and a snappy script!" than it would to say "Hey, 'Apocalypse Now' wasn't as funny as I thought it would be," or "The special effects in 'My Dinner With Andre' didn't wow me."

Still, I'd be curious to know which ones you would cite as examples. I keep telling myself I'm tired of FF flicks, but then I keep watching the damn things. Which ones do you think have better scripts and fully-drawn characters?

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Well, despite coming under increased scrutiny and criticism in recent years, The Blair Witch Project still comes to mind as one of the stronger examples, since so much of the film is based around the "character" of Heather Donahue, and she she changes over the course of the film. Starting as a cool, collected, driven young artist, who is faced with her imminent mortality as the film goes on, changing as a character from someone who was almost calloused in her drive, into someone who is filled with a deep regret, realizing her actions may have doomed her and her associates. It's actually quite a well-done character arc, and I don't think it is recognized enough within the world of film these days. If she hadn't have changed, grown (or arguably regressed) as a character, the ending would have been entirely different.

To a lesser extent, there are other films that defined their characters far better than The Bay in my opinion, even if they don't change too much over the course of the film. Films like the first and third Paranormal Activity (stay with me here, since people are far too quick to dismiss these two earlier films in the franchise simply because later sequels were sub-par) give us characters that feel identified and properly fleshed-out, due to their actions on screen, and the fact we spend a decent amount of down-time establishing them. The third film I found the most interesting, since we see the lead (Dennis) cover a wide variety of emotional and everyday situations- from lustfully attempting to make love to his girlfriend, to showing that he deeply cares for her children even though he is not their father, to the fights he has with those in his life, to just seeing his day-to-day interaction with his colleague at work. Scenes like that are key in identifying, defining and caring for the characters. (Even if there isn't a large amount of development, although I would argue that the large amount of screentime spent with them does show some development as characters.)

With The Bay, not only was the lack of development an issue, the fact that the film didn't even really adequately make us identify or care about the characters was also an issue. (Save for some overly forced on-screen text, or lazy narration to try and explain who these people were, which felt like the film was trying to lazily contrive a way into making us care.) Again, I feel it's because this film tried to do too much with too little screentime. It would have been better to focus on just the scientists. Or just on the couple who arrive on the boat towards the end. Since it would have afforded more time with these characters, to define and develop them. All I really got from the characters in this film was: "Well, they were happy, but once the bad things started to happen, they sort-of got bummed out." That was really all I felt about them.

My apologies if this is hard-to-read. I'm worn out. (On a new med that is making me very drowsy during the day, so my typing isn't quite up to snuff today)

And FURTHERMORE, this is my signature! SERIOUSLY! Did you think I was still talking about my point?

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OP -

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Brilliantly scary, works in every respect.
More documentary than film.

The surprise is that Barry Levinson directed this - a 71-year-old veteran of film & TV, not someone 40 years younger.

I don't understand why it wasn't marketed better either.
Perhaps its potential audience was suffering from found footage fatigue.
Pity.

You want thoughtful horror?
Look no further

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I'd agree with you Ribby. And the fact it almost seems more documentary than film is a plus. Audiences today cannot seem to appreciate such a low-key approach. Anybody comparing it to Blair Witch has a skewered threshold for a good film (which Blair was anything but).

Definitely a must see.

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Thanks!

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Blair Witch was underwhelming, but I don't think it was aimed at old ducks like me, so I'm not qualified to diss it.

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I wouldn't employ the word "brilliant" when talking about "The Bay," but it did hold my attention for 90 minutes and basically did its job. In the increasingly tired found-footage genre, it worked better than most.

I was happy it remained plausible (as opposed to "realistic"), at least as much as one can reasonably expect from a low-budget thriller about a fatal mystery infection. For once, people didn't turn into cannibalistic zombies for no apparent reason, and the plot did not involve aliens, a shadow government conspiracy, or a genetically engineered virus. I'm not a biologist, but the explanation for all hell breaking loose seemed plausible enough to be creepy. Could some variation of this really happen? I have no idea, but it's a heck of a lot less silly than, say, "alien virus = zombie apocalypse, because of course it does."

I see many people complaining about the script. A found-footage film shouldn't have a great script . . unless you're used to people on your home movies speaking like the characters in "Network," or a Tarantino film. If you're making a movie like this with the intent that it feel like reality, people would be making inane small talk and saying things they wouldn't normally say because a camera is in their face. Chewy, considered dialogue would be as out of place here as would spontaneous musical numbers.

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I agree with most of everything you have said in this thread SloppyJ30..

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I thought it was a great idea executed perfectly
I liked that the horror was a bit more subtle than most in your face minute after minute pop up horror now a days

The story itself was just *beep* creepy and it was refreshing to see

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