They had a great cast and director. So, with that being said, it should have been a classic. I bet anyone a billion dollars that I could have made this movie one of the greatest, like Goodfellas turned out. So in your opinion, was this the director's fault, poor editing, or the producers? Please discuss:)
shareI think it was mostly just the terrible script that never even attempted to develop the characters, giving this decent cast nothing to work with. I also think editing was a big issue, especially considering the studio got the final cut. I suspect John Hillcoat's director's cut will be much better, but I'm still not sure anything can save that terrible script. I don't even think Scorsese could have done much better with it.
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Most films these days that struggle to connect with audiences are because of mainly the script and I'm sure the studio have the final say in the final product but yes script is defienlty a problem but still an enjoyable film to watch :)
shareNo offense, but I disagree with the "connecting to audience" issue. I believe it was the editing IMO.
shareNone taken cutie! A film needs to connect with an audience in some way though and a good script does help that
the editing does too but not to the same extant IMO
Vsuperkuns, first I want to apologize for not getting back to you sooner and secondly thanks for not taken anything personally. I look forward to discussing films for many years with you if you so choose to. Anyways, I have thought about it and I agree with what you are saying. However, I bet if you and I had the exact same things to work with, we could have done better, especially with the script as you and I could have improvised vastly over what was written down until we had a classic.
shareStalker alert... (and BTW it's always best to pick a username that doesn't violently disagree with the fake picture)
Don't be silly don't worry about it! I agree! So many people on here go crazy when your opinion differs
Just have to find the nice ones to talk to haha
Maybe we should write a script and send it in to Hollywood haha
I blame the projectionist. If only I had been allowed to project this film, then maybe Hillcoat's true vision could have been appreciated.
shareHow so? Good editing won't save a movie if the script sucks..
shareWell, maybe I am wrong guys. I just felt the editing was off. Vsuper is probably correct once I thought about it. I was just happy he or she did not take offense to my opinion, since about everyone on here gets their panties in a wand once you have a different opinion, but not in this case. I thought that was character and I am blown away.
shareThe screenplay fails to establish a likable protagonist. Good guy or bad guy (or girl), we need someone to experience a story through. We don't have to agree with that character and they don't have to be morally upstanding as any Tarantino film has shown, but they need to be established enough that the audience can say "ok, so this is a film about X." and we take the journey through X's point of view. Often times writers will employ a "save the cat" moment, which is a device where your lead character does something like save a cat at the start of the film, showing us his/her heart of gold, and once that's done, you can make the character all sorts of morally corrupt and your audience will still believe in him/her because they know there's someone worth redeeming.
The film front loaded too main characters and we were never given a clear idea who we were meant to latch onto. In fact, I thought it was Norman Reedus for the first 15 minutes, but obviously that was wrong. It's very rare that a writer can successfully switch the audience once a story has begun. A show like Game of Thrones is fascinating because it succeeds where most fail, even though I do believe GoT has one character everyone has accepted as a "lead" and if he ever gets killed, I think the show will lose many fans- but getting back to Triple 9, even after watching it through, I still don't know exactly who we were meant to empathize with. I think it was Casey Affleck, but then you also feel bad for Chiwetel's character and Mackie.
Your assessment is completely off. This film has a wide ranging story, and many characters that are worth having some interest in and empathy with. You don't need one character to see everything through or empathize with in a good story. Perhaps you're to use to a certain kind of format. The themes of this film are what is important here, and they are in fact delivered very well by the director and the script in my view. This film relates to human beings in our time in a more general sense and it does this very effectively. This is an extremely relevant film today. If your criticism were true, 2001:A Space Odyssey must also have a screenplay that fails, lmao!
shareActually... 2001 does fail.
One of the most common assessments of 2001 is how detached we as an audience are to the characters. It's Kubrick's cold, keep you at a distance approach. Now 2001 has great visuals and a rather unique story to sort of lift it up above mediocrity, whereas Triple 9... not so much. It's a pretty run of the mill crime drama.
Themes are only a small part of a story- if theme was enough than even Jack & Jill could be considered good writing by your standard. A wide ranging story works better in a different format, like a book or television show, where ample time can be spent with each of the major characters the audience is meant to focus on, but for a 2 hour feature film it is rare (of course, like anything in life there are exceptions) for a film to get away with a loosely structured narrative with no clear protagonist to experience the world through.
No, YOU fail!
shareAgreed
shareThe fault lies in moronic viewers. I mean just read your post, only a ridiculous person would write something that stupid. If you were capable of making a better film than Scorsese, then you certainly wouldn't be wasting your time writing dumb posts like this on a message board. The film is actually quite good and the editing is definitely pretty good,(You so obviously know little to nothing about making movies.). I bet a billion dollars you couldn't even make a film better than The Hottie and The Nottie,(Not that I've even seen it.).
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I think the problem was more along the lines of format. This story could easily have been stretched into a 5 hour mini series. It would have had more time to develop the characters and give the story more time to fill in the gaps.
shareYour post seems like you must be no more than 11 years old.
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The final cut of this movie was not made by Hillcoat for sure.
share*beep* You people don't know f all.
Hillcoat has said himself that he worked on this film for over 6 years, and that every shot in the film was planned by him and his own hand picked DP.
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Writer, director, actors, editing...all to blame...the editing was so poorly done though right from the beginning scene when they rob the bank
shareYou gave Man Of Steel a 10, seriously, what the hell do you know? Obviously very little.
My body's a cage, it's been used and abused...and I...LIKE IT!!
Yeah, its called having a mind of my own...and you with your picking and choosing what you want to see
Inland empire, true detective, beloved, frownland, seven, departed...these are also movies and shows i love...they get it right...this film is absolute garbage with zero integrity at all
If you wanna act like mos is not a good movir because its rt score, check out triple 9s rt score, critics think its on the same level already and it will probably sink even lower....lol so if you wanna act all high and mighty over mos jjst because critics didnt like it, guess what critics hate already TRIPLE GARBAGE ASS 9
Man you're dumb. Mind of your own, lmfao!
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You gave Man Of Steel a 10, seriously
So you think giving a 10 to Man Of Steel is reasonable, lmfao! Well you children are pretty funny. Your post barely makes any sense at all.
I have none? What are you, blind and dumb?
My body's a cage, it's been used and abused...and I...LIKE IT!!
So you think giving a 10 to Man Of Steel is reasonable
Lmao! Reading comprehension coming from you? You have the linguistic skills of a drunk child. I guarantee I have far more education in English than you do. You're the one who obviously can't comprehend much. Where did I ever compare the two films smart guy? Yeah, I never have. Someone here is retarded alright. I don't even need to point fingers at the obvious now do I?
My body's a cage, it's been used and abused...and I...LIKE IT!!
You have the linguistic skills of a drunk child.
I guarantee I have far more education in English than you do
Where did I ever compare the two films smart guy?
This guy is so dumb we need to come up with a new word for him to describe the level of stupidity.
How about?
Tardbag
informal derogatory
Noun
1. One who is even dumber than a retard.
2. Eddie Fingers
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I blame the script; it had a great concept but wasn't fleshed out enough to give character's any depth beyond what archetypes they presented. I didn't have a major problem with that but more so with the ending of the film in which it just...ends without any real payoff (like wtf happened to Mackie's character, are we just gonna ignore the fact that he was in the state he was in at the end? why end the film with cassie affleck completely isconnected from the other characters?).
shareThe director didn't do a bad job and I'm not sure what you mean by "poor editing". The editing wasn't Oscar material but it was ok.
The problem was the script. It never even tried to develop any of the characters past the walking clichés they were, and the writer just couldn't decide what he was going for so he ended up stuck between a gritty crime drama and a classic cautionary tale, complete with moral lesson.
The thing that makes Goodfellas, or the Godfather, classics is that the moviemakers are never in a position of judgement of their characters.
Here, we have a bunch of tissue paper thin characters, with strained motivations, playing their play until the predictable outcome where every single one of them who had any moral ambiguity gets his/her punishment.
It's tedious, really.
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You've just lost a billion dollars. the most ridiculous comment I've seen for some time. You should be proud.