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..gravity gun against super-powered Lex, and then comes in as Superman, shouldn't every1 realize that Clark is Superman??

Clark: 'Jonathan Kent; isn't it a little past ur bedtime?'

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I think they do, and he isn't concerned because he is going away.

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I'll admit that they improved on that from the comic where everyone assumed it was Superman disguised as Clark Kent and that the real Clark Kent was safely tucked away at the fortress.

I thought that was dumb so I'm glad the movie got rid of that.

In the movie, Clark simply doesn't care who knows his identity now since he's going to die anyway.

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In the comic, noone would believe Clark and Superman were the same person, despite whatever evidence was presented.

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What are they using these days for that? Is he still hypnotizing people or using his face muscles to change facial topography?

Or did they introduce something else? I haven't read comics in a while.

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Oh ok. Thanks :)

Clark: 'Jonathan Kent; isn't it a little past ur bedtime?'

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with Lex's intellect, he should be able to figure it out in half a second.

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Maybe Lex willingly decided to ignore the possibility of Clark Kent being Superman. As evil as Luthor was, he actually liked and TRUSTED Clark( he even let Clark visit his underground tunnel). For Lex to figure out Superman's true identity would be breaching the trust that he actually cared about. It seemed to me that at the end of the movie, Luthor realized that Superman was not tied down to one particular being, but rather a symbol of hope and justice. That is why he decided to allow a genetic recreation of Superman in this movie, because it meant that his last act on earth before execution was to ensure that the world had the Superman it needed. What I liked about this movie is that it showed a wide-range of drama on the part of Lex Luthor, ranging from sadistic pride to bashful humility. If only most live action movies had such fleshed out villains.

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I bought the graphic novels to read the full story based on how much I enjoyed the film and the fact that it's regarded as one of Supes' finest stories.

In the last issue, there's a fleeting moment in the battle between Luthor and Superman where Lex pretty much pieces it together, but then dismisses it as a silly idea. "Now there's an amazing idea. I really should be writing these..." he says, pretty much dismissing the notion. It could be denial based on his trust of Clark, or he could really be thinking that it's a stupid idea, but either way the idea is there in the graphic novel.

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I think it's a stupid movie and a stupid concept all together.

Superman's powers come from the yellow sun, why the hell would that kill him. It's so stupid.

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Model101, it's not stupid. The point is that all good things that make life possible, such as sugar, water, even oxygen, can be fatal in high enough doses. In Superman's case, it's his body's natural ability to absorb yellow sunlight, store it like a battery, and use it to fuel his powers that's his downfall. Just like overcharging an alkaline battery: give it too much juice, and it will explode. Frankly, I'm surprised it took this long for someone to figure that concept out.

I challenge you Model101 to read the All Star Superman series before passing final judgement on the movie, which by format cannot give the same level of detail that a dozen issues can. In these DC animated movies, each line spoken is often a condensation of dozens of pages of exposition.

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Batman (well technically R'as) did the same thing to Supes in the book JLA: Tower of Babel. Batman had contingency plans for taking down everyone in the JLA and for Supes they made his epidermis translucent which caused him to absorb way too much sunlight to the point that he was about ready to explode.

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In the regular, post-Crisis 'Superman' series, Lex finds out in, like, the 2nd issue that Clark is Superman byway of using a super computer. He then gets furious because the machine is obviously flawed and destroys it. I know it seems silly to a lot of people, but it's a comic book. We just have to believe that Clark is so convincing at being a mild-mannered reporter that no one can 'see' him as Superman.

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I think the reason Lex never suspects Clark as Superman is simply because, to him, the implausibility of a god-like alien living as a regular journalist 'joe'. Plus the fact Clark has a past in Smallville where he played football, was observed as a more-or-less normal 'outsider' by his peers, he's been around the world and anyone who's bared witness to his secret keeps it safe out of great gratitude to him (or just never learns his name). There's also the fact that if Lex naturally assumes Kal-El has just arrived to Earth prior to becoming the Hero of Metropolis, he has no reason to think such a god-like alien showing his face, trusting the public with his true name, and interacting so prominently with the military and press would live among us.

I think a good example at how hard it is for Lex to figure out the secret is in Lois & Clark, he doesn't so much as suspect 'Superman' may just be an alias and that Kal-El lives among us until realizing his ship arrived decades before. Even after that, it takes literally up to his demise for him to finally discover Clark Kent is Superman, only because of a very reliable source that had no reason to lie to him. I think in some way, Lex needs in-your-face proof that Clark is Kal-El, like in Smallville's Season 7 finale when he turns around to learn the super-speeding figure that just arrived in the Fortress of Solitude is him. In some ways it hurts him, in some ways it relieves him, yet in some ways it burdens him.

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Model101, it's not stupid. The point is that all good things that make life possible, such as sugar, water, even oxygen, can be fatal in high enough doses. In Superman's case, it's his body's natural ability to absorb yellow sunlight, store it like a battery, and use it to fuel his powers that's his downfall. Just like overcharging an alkaline battery: give it too much juice, and it will explode. Frankly, I'm surprised it took this long for someone to figure that concept out.
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I see that now.

Still I always viewed Superman as the more yellow radiation that he absorbs the more powerful he got, I never figured out that it would kill him because well he is Superman duh.

I took it like the Hulk where the madder Hulk gets the more powerful he becomes (but opposite since Superman's powers come from a yellow sun).

I have read the comics since and it's way better than All Star Superman movie.
They should have made the film longer to explain plot points better.

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