Granted he did kill that kid but come on, it wasn't premeditated.
His actions came about from fear and panic.
That's understandable.
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What?! Are you kidding me?!
If you want me to kill you, give me a sign by blinking. Um...sure. Yeah, that's like saying, "If you want me to kill you, give me a sign by taking a breath some time in the next five minutes."
Fitzgerald was a murderous scumbag, first trying to murder Glass, then murdering Glass' son, using the excuse that his yelling would alert the natives, while in reality he just didn't want to have to deal with the boy when he found out that Fitzgerald had tried to kill his father.
No. Fitzgerald was a pure scumbag. Plain and simple. A pure scumbag.
Oh, lets not forget the fact that he stole the ALL of the money from the safe at the fort, too.
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The 'give me a sign by blinking" scene I never understood. Fitz said it, Glass waited, then he squeezed his eyes together hard & opened them. How was that Not blinking? Wouldn't Fitz have taken it as a blink? I'd like someone to explain what it is I'm missing..
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It was blinking, but it was most likely a hard, long blink due to trying to keep his eyes open for so long, knowing that the second he blinked Fitzgerald would kill him.
Fitzgerald gave him a choice that could ONLY end up in his acquiescence to being killed. A decent person would have said, "If you want me to do you in, blink three times in a row," or something of that nature, not give him a choice which actually is no choice.
Again, it's like saying, "If you want me to do you in, breathe." How could someone not breathe, just as how could someone not blink?
Fitzgerald wanted to kill him, no matter what.
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Alright, I thought I'd missed something. The same with the son; Fitz hated the boy and would have killed him regardless of whether the boy screamed or not. Fitz agreed to go with the lads as his opportunity to kill Glass & the boy (as Fitz called him). Thank you, Gabe.
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Yep. He hated Glass' son, considering him a "savage" due to him being half native. It seemed that the Captain was a little bit of a numskull, not realizing that Fitzgerald was the LAST person he should have trusted to do the right thing by Glass. It was easy enough for anyone to tell that Fitzgerald hated Glass, and hated his son even more.
Bridger, unfortunately, was weak and afraid of Fitzgerald, so he went along with it, begrudgingly. I felt somewhat bad for him. I'm glad that Glass gave him a pass.
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yea sure, everytime i'm panicked and afraid i kill someone .
the guy was a complete jerk
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You've never been in the middle of the woods in the 1800s, where freezing to death or dying of a cold is a real possibility. While also being chased by Indians. So no just 'panicking' nowadays is not really a fair conparison.
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He didnt have to stay with Glass, he could have left with the otheres.. He just thought "Glass will be dead in a couple of days and I get 300 dollars"... when he realized Glass isnt gonna give up, he tried to kill him.
Thats totally different from 'panicking'
he wasn't such a bad guy.
maybe the real hero of the story.
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Think about that movie Titanic. I mean we all like to think that if we were in that situation, we would nobely give up our seat to some poor lice covered Irish woman, but I don't know. Maybe you would or maybe once it dawned on you that not only were you gona die but that your gonna drown in the freezing cold water, you might be the one pushing and throwing elbows to make it on the life boat. And I'm not trying to make some comment about how grim human nature really is, but rather that in extreme situations, people do extreme things. And morality doesn't always play a hand like we think it will. And Fitzgerald was in a pretty extreme situation.
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Shoving your way to a seat in a lifeboat is one thing, and intentionally smothering or shooting a person is entirely another, both in the legal AND moral context.
You're just trying too hard to defend his crimes.
By all accounts Glasss should have died. He was just putting him out of his misery. And Glass did Blink. And he didn't intend to kill the Indian kid. I doubt very much the makers of this film, wanted Fitzgerald to be some purely evil villain.
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He was someone who had clearly lived a horrible, miserable life. All he had were pelts and the pittance he was paid for them. He was a product of the times and his surroundings.
shareExactly. Everyone on this board keeps thinking "well if I was in that situation, I wouldn't do that". But the reality is, having lived his life and being in such dire straits, most people would.
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There were about 15 other guys in the exact same situation. Why didn't they all kill Glass? You keep isolating the extreme situation Fitzgerald was in and how it led him to murder someone but if that situation is the common denominator for everyone in the party, you kind of have to go to the different behavior which was the premeditated murder of two people.
I think you're confusing his motivation for murder with a justifiable rationale. Let's put it this way: if a person has massive debt and kills his or her spouse to collect a huge insurance policy, the motivation is financial (objectively) but the rationale isn't justifiable. There's no judge or jury that would say, "yes, he killed his wife but on the other hand, he was able to save his house from foreclosure".
He didn't kill him for money. He killed him because he thought he was gonna die anyway and he wanted to get away from the Indians.
shareHe didn't kill him for money. He killed him because he thought he was gonna die anyway and he wanted to get away from the Indians.He volunteered to stay with Glass knowing exactly what his job was gonna be. If he wanted to get as far away from Indians as possible all he had to do was not volunteer.
I agree with you crakatoot, although it seems I'm the only one who does. When he said, "we did what we had to do," I thought that was right.
If there's one thing this movie does really well, it's to convey just what a horrifically harsh and hostile environment they were dealing with. Weather, wildlife and Indians were all ferocious. Every minute of every day was a struggle for survival. There wasn't any room for passengers.
Exactly. Everyone is looking at this movie from modern eyes.
Back then times were pretty desperate and desperation can make people do anything.
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