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Sorry, but this is NOT a True Story!


"Colin Clark" waited 40 and then 43 years to write his faux diaries, after working as a glorified-gopher on the set of the "Prince and the Showgirl." Hmmm. Did you always keep several diaries going at a time, Colin?
One only has to use their discernment while attempting to read one, and know they sound suspicious from the get-go.
However, thanks to reputable biographers such as Donald Spoto and Barbara Leaming, there is tangible proof that Clark, while using tidbits of truth he may have observed on the set of the movie, never had a chance to be with Marilyn alone for long enough, to, well, do much of anything.
The documented evidence proves that during the very week that "My Week With Marilyn" was supposed to occur, Ms. Monroe was in hospital suffering a miscarriage (which Clark moved up to a different date)! Arthur Miller had flown back to join her during this "week" also.
Thus, NO "Week with Marilyn" EVER happened. Clark's deceased now, like so many of the Monroe parasites. Therefore, I hope he's enjoying his dirty money.

The threat of Libel has NEVER stopped a number of bottom-feeders who never met Marilyn from making quite a comfortable living off of her, while portraying her as an empty-headed, simpering sl-t. She has no "family" to stop it.
If you are a fan of MM, and do not care to see her once again represented as a TRAMP who cannot stay faithful EVEN on her honeymoon, then I'd skip this one.
Buy the biographies I mentioned or "Marilyn and Me" by Susan Strasberg, if you crave a memoir. At least Susan KNEW MM. Rent or buy biographical DVDs about her (with an eye out for the fu--fakers). Rent or buy her movies.
Besides, who wants to see another horrible "impersonation" by an actress whos is not even pretty? MW should have played Dame Sybil Thorndyke, not Marilyn. Monroe was inimitable, a magnificent, exquisite, magically beautiful child-like woman, who's flesh-impact lights up the movie-screen over 50 years after her untimely death. It's preposterous to have anyone less than beautiful cast in that role, as physical appeal was over 75% of what MM was about on screen.

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Yeah, sure seems like it...YOU may know, but I keep noticing this being promoted as "true."

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NoraPinephrin,

You actually have some good points. I have been a huge Marilyn Monroe fan, and was also shocked when they cast Michele Williams as the part. Michele seems somewhat docile and not in-tune with her beauty. However, I still think we should just give the movie a chance and see if she can pull it off.

I’ve noticed the movie is trying to merge different Monroe periods into one film, which also makes me believe that it isn't based on a true story. Maybe 50 percent will be accurate, and that is enough to wet my "Monroe" appetite. Besides, this movie is (kind of) paying tribute to her, and reminding people that she was/IS an amazing talent that can’t be forgotten.

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Thank you for your civil response.
Still, as a fan, don't you cringe that they represent MM as a cartoon character?
The dialog is based on Clark's imagination, thus, Monroe's "dumb-blond" movie persona. She would have disdained this whole cock-and-bull story!

And, like "Norma Jeane and Marilyn" (another bogus movie based on a book by a Ted Jordan, a lifeguard who may have met her once or twice), portrayed her as "easy"--on her honeymoon, yet. The actual truth is replaced by Clark's propaganda.
Of all the weeks he picks to be "economical with the truth," it's the nightmare one she's suffering through another miscarriage!

But I understand you being curious. It's just that a lot of Michelle Williams fangirls will be seeing this for MW, and others who see it don't know of Marilyn. Also, as one "sensitive" poster called her, a horny b-tch. Is this what these moviegoers will think of her?
I guess I'm into truth and integrity. Shall I apologize for that? Marilyn's memory deserves better. It's time this nonsense ends.

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Yes, I saw "The Kennedys," too. What a put-down. The actress was blubbering all over the place. It's not her fault, but the script, director, etc..

The Naomi Watts project, "Blond," (did you catch the mini-series in 2002?) Poppy Montgomery tried, but again, Marilyn was this hapless, easy-to-bed, victim, again and again.

I think Watts is a very good actress and pretty enough. Still, she is 43 now.

She did say about two months ago that "Blond" was very much in production. They'll have to use some tricks to hide her age. I've surmised that since "Blond" is a long book, they will probably only cover her famous years and not MM's infancy to "Norma Jean," like the earlier effort.
Also, I don't envision Naomi W. getting pushed around by anyone, so this one might just be alright.

At least we know the book, a novel by Joyce Carole Oates, clearly is a work of fiction.

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It is very possible that she IS what all these movies and documentaries make her out to be.

"It's a doll, jensen"
"Doesn't mean it can't be loved"

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I would take the OP's thoughts and opinions more seriously or even into consideration if not for her vile words on Michelle Williams on the other threads. And I'm not even a MW or MM fan.

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What a clichéd reply. I would take your reply "seriously" if you were to act as a mature adult. You are just upset because someone finally deigns to be honest about Michelle Williams and her boaringness.
If you don't like my posts, no one's forcing you to read them. Oh, but you have, already. And are trolling them, no less.
"Vile?" If you think those are vile, then you don't know the definition, or hace seen what is truly vile in this world.
If you were to exhibit a developed brain, a higher-education, and some life-experience, perhaps you could think critically. But, I waste time trying to reason with fools.
These IMDB boards are for--opinions and facts. Not to serve the Weinsteins and their B.S..
The fairy-tales are here, too, but I'm not interested in those--like some people seem to be--especially RE: Michelle Williams, her P.R. Team, and her brain-washed die-hard fangirls.
Any allegations I also happen to back up. Do you?
Put me on "ignore" if you want to live life with your head up...in the clouds...otherwise behave like a grown up, but that can hardly be possible.



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wow marymonroe your last reply comes across as vicious and nasty, no call for it to be honest. I agree with your original post by the way, all apart from the comments about Michelle Williams who i think has proved herself to be a great young actress and I trust will do Marilyn justice in her performance. And in my humble opinion NO working actress today could be as beautiful as Marilyn was so im not expecting MW to be exactly like her.. its a portrayal not an imitation.

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Dude, did you read the post? Marilyn is inimitable.
I'm not one of the people calling for a Monroe double. The actress should be pretty though, as beauty is such an important part of Marilyn's persona.
Vicious? You cannot know vicious, as I am tame by that standard. Being called a c%nt, among other degrading names, for an opinion, um, now that's more along the lines of "vicious." But that's OK, I just consider the source(s). They have neither the brains nor the balz for a real discussion, so, they resort to tween tactics.
IMDB is a board to for that very purpose, to express opinions. I have 20/20 vision and this is what my perception is. The rest is Williams' and the fake movie's P.R....which has so many tweens fooled and blinded by unreality. So that's that.
READ THE BOARDS, a lot of posters agree with me on all of the above. But those like you cannot handle it.
On IMDB I have a right to the above. Anyone who attacks me beligerantly is blatantly displaying their immaturity. Why not disagree using a viable discussion, like grown-ups do?
You wrote "No call for it (what?) to be honest?" WTF are you referring to? I'll always be honest. However, if you're that much in denial, you'd be better suited to Grimm's Faerie Tales, but I live on the Planet Earth...DUDE!

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"Vicious? You cannot know vicious, as I am tame by that standard. Being called a c%nt, among other degrading names, for an opinion, um, now that's more along the lines of "vicious" ... "

If people on here call you names like that, perhaps you should look at why your posts elicit that kind of response? You seem a very angry person, insulting and assuming about everyone who responds to you. That kind of attitude isn't likely to garner respect or reasonable discussion.

Personally I think some of what you say is valid, but the way you say it and the insults you hurl degrade any validity completely. Here's something to consider - people attack you because you're already attacking ... the way you post is the way people will post back to you, so insulting them for behaving in the same way as you, is a little crazy :)

Lighten up - you don't know Michelle Williams just as you and others didn't know Marilyn .. so give both women a bit of respect and voice your views without degrading yourself.

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You would have to be following the posts from the very beginning, which is tedious and time consuming, I realize. Frankly--now--impossible. There have been too many deletes, updates, edits, etc.
No "hurling" insults toward any board members "flew" until they dished it. If you're going to play below-the-belt baby games with the grown-ups, you have to learn to take "insults." Which is really just "telling it like it is," or we'd have lost this account by now. The truth hurts! Since that automatically makes these posts invalid for you, we couldn't ask you to think what it would be like to try to express an opinion, as if in our place, which you know you will get attacked for personally and see how well you fare in getting any point across.
We will agree that we do not belong here, but on a forum for those over 30 years-of-age.
We are entitled to a forum with free speech, no matter what we have to say (within the guidelines of IMDB) like my detractors DO have the freedom and safety to do. Shall we start perusing their posts and begin reporting them to Administrators? Yet, because their numbers are higher than us, what we have here is not only "a failure to communicate," but definitely a HUGE double standard.
Let's face it. Over here, we learned that this board's median age is about 19. Average age? More 16. Kids don't discuss. They name call and "try" to intimidate. However, it is tiresome and silly.

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However much people insult or attack you, you don't have to return it do you? You can choose to behave civilly. But you've chosen to respond with insults and attacks, so it doesn't really work to condemn others for doing the same. You can't retain the moral high ground here - if you pretend to you add hypocrisy to the list.

From what I've read the way you post is of course going to elicit a negative response - and naming yourself after an actress you continually insult, while calling all her fans 'sheep' makes you a) look obsessive and b) appear unable to see how that might offend the people you don't know who you have already insulted as 'sheep'.

You could definitely put your points across without insulting others - you don't. You call those who insult others 'kids' and yet you don't seem to see that your own term clearly applies to you too. You are unable to see your own double standard.

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"Being called a c%nt, among other degrading names, for an opinion, um, now that's more along the lines of "vicious.""

I'm assuming your referring to my post as far as the c word is concerned. This is exactly what I wrote after listing several atrocities that Michelle (with 2 Ls) was responsible for:

"She trolls actress' IMDB boards because she has no life. (what a c#nt)"

Now, Michele (with 1 L) It seems that if you believe I called you a c#nt, that means that you also believe that you are a troll with no life, since I never mentioned you by name.

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UnprodigalSon, if you were to call me a c#nt, or troll w/ no life, which you clearly wrote that you didn't, that wouldn't necessarily make it true, or that we'd believe, or incorporate it.
You wrote, and now reiterated that you were referring to Michelle (2 Ls) due to the chaos and bloodshed she has brought upon this world (and listed such).
As Webster writes, and we paraphrase: A troll is one who starts a subject they know is false to elicit angry responses from a forum, etc. The original post of this thread is NOT false, but did elicit all kinds of responses--some angry, some civil, some condescending and preachy, like "MaconBABY". And responses to responses. And responses to responses to respon...--you get the picture.
Pertaining to Michelle's other two, ahem, character flaws(?) on your list, having "no life." If that WAS to be aimed at Michele (1 L), I wish! We need a vacation. Truly. Some may be shocked if they knew what a life we have. Give us a year, or even six months of "no life" so we can slack around for a bit.
The "c" word? That, we purport, is probably best discussed on another forum, if anyone would even care to.

Besides, I thought you and I were to exchanging rare and fabulous gifts this Christmas! You're not going to let Michelle take away Christmas, too!?

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Well, golly gee, I guess that clears it all up. I'm sure you have a life, though your posting habits would suggest otherwise.

"Besides, I thought you and I were to exchanging rare and fabulous gifts this Christmas! You're not going to let Michelle take away Christmas, too!?"

I'm Jewish.

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Thank you, you finally get it! We were worried about your mental state. Still are, to be honest.
However, we think "unprodigalson" is still having delusions about "MicheleWilliams'" posting habits.
But, then all one has to do is look at YOUR posting history, compare it to ours, and, Viola! Who has spent more time on IMDB? You--six years and five pages. Ours--nine years and five pages, three of which are dated last month. It is due to a quest to educate all, who need to know, that this movie and it's star are phonies.
There's a keen difference in styles, though. We answer replies. "UnprodigalSon" stalks any who don't care for Williams and butts in on others' discussions with snide little snips. Did you know sarcasm is a symptom of deep-rooted rage? Just sayin'...
Fun life you must have--on the defense of Michelle Williams 24/7. We're certain such a sweet person like Williams would definitely have your back, if you needed her.
Keep up the hallucinations...and the good stalking work! We could all not learn a lot from you.
We also are Jewish.
You requested the doll for a Christmas gift first! Fine, back-out! Party-pooper!
And since you seem to enjoy our posts so much, we shall SO try to make time to write even more for your entertainment. Since we have more of a life than you do, judging from your posting history...


"Is IMDB an Internet Forum for Learning or a Teenage Brothel?"

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ha, I love getting three paragraphs from you off my little snide remarks. Keep it coming!

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Ha Ha. We knew you loved our writing. At least it's unique, unlike yours.
Something is puzzling, though. How you can be so obsessed with our posts, yet at the same time, turn around and rat, uh, report our posts to IMDB administrators...
You need help. Oh, and take your time responding, since you're "never" on these boards, due to your hectic "life."

"Is IMDB an Institute of Learning or a Teenage Brothel?"

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Nope, never reported any of your posts.

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"Any allegations I also happen to back up. Do you? "

Back up with what? Your own opinions on how MM is and how MW is the cause of Heath Ledger's death and how MW is capitalizing off Heath's death.. Fine, state what you want but at least, back it up with facts, not opinions.


"Behave like a grown up"

Why don't you do that first? I gave my opinions and gave an opinion on your opinion. But you can't seem to accept other's opinions that go against yours. I have read the posts of others who are against MW's casting and agree on some points and they are actually respectful and have no personal attacks on MW. Like I said, I would be more open to your opinions and would actually have checked out those MM books you mentioned if you have not said those things about Michelle or even any other actress/actor.


Anyway, its your opinion and I have mine and that's that.

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I completely agree with you MaeveMorrigan.
I also made the mistake of thinking NoraPinephrin could be talked to.
Don't waste your time.

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Don't tell fibs...I NEVER "said" MW killed HL. If you'd read my posts, instead of reporting them to the Administrators, you'd KNOW that.
That "capitalizing story" is in any news service of early November. Slow news week, then.
Your ad Hominem fallacy, naivete and illogical arguments prove you green as day. Oh--and the books are resources, respected worldwide. I have links, but why bother? Typical of you, don't read. If you were to ever to want learn about the world, you'd take time off of your busy trolling agenda and do a little research out of your comfort-zone. Then, you'd know that Michelle Williams is not well-liked by all, and that IMDB posters are the one of the least "respectful" groups online.
To reiterate, this forum is for movie reviews and related assessments, not a pulpit for Michelle Williams Pycho-phants to preach their rage toward anyone who has different insight.


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"not a pulpit for Michelle Williams Pycho-phants"


Gesundheit

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Okay, Psycho-phants!

vergessen Sie es ja nicht!

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"I'm sure there are more important "battles" to fight in your life than this. And I say this from experience and with respect for your concern."
By now, I think we've all read your self-serving posts, which are becoming redundant.
You can stop congratulating yourself any day now, because you're no saint. There was never any "respect for (my) concern!" These posts are obviously disingenuous. Their underlying theme of patronization is clear to anyone who isn't comatose. Are your posts subconsciously condescending or are you fully aware of it? Therefore, I wouldn't brag about trying to "reason" or showing any sort "respect." Because your true colors shone through once again by resuming your trolling habit. And that alone makes you a mentally unstable hypocrite.
"Of course you're entitled to free speech, but what you are doing here is showing a frustration and anger at this little movie like it was the devil. So your claim that you are calm doesn't ring true."
You don't know me at all to dictate how I feel. "Free Speech?" As long as my opinon doen't differ from yours and the other "sheep" on this site. Coupled with your above admission of trolling "experience," your suggestion(s) reek of 'transferrence.'" It looks like I'm your new subject to follow around and "rant" about. Would you like someone to harrass you by following your posts around IMDB and making b!tchy comments about you to others? SixthGrade, you're childish, with serious psychological issues. Your moniker "Seisgrados" is perfect, just add "de escuela."
"I completely agree with you MaeveMorrigan. I also made the mistake of thinking NoraPinephrin could be talked to. Don't waste your time."
Uh, I was talked AT--even talked TO--how about talking WITH someone next time? Since you do continually "waste your time," as you say, following people around. Here you are again, chiming in on a post that doesn't concern you. A symptom of your OP obsession. I wasn't addressing YOU, but the above poster. Is she so incompetent that she needs your rescuing? If you truly want to rescue someone, "preacher, save thyself." She needs to learn to "stand up on her own two feet" and think for herself. If not, she'll never learn to make up her own mind.
As the old adage goes, both of you "can dish it out, but you sure can't take it!"

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Wow! I can't believe the amount of fighting on this board and this topic(and the fact my stalker followed me here). I'm currently reading My week with Marilyn and the Donald Spoto book just arrived today, so after I finish My week with Marilyn I'm going to start the Spoto book immediately. I don't think anyone truly knew who Marilyn was. There's so many books and movies and stories and memories of her and I've yet to hear one that lines up with another. There's 2 things we know as facts Norma Jean was born and Norma Jean died. What happened in the middle does have some fact but it also has some fantasy and some of the "fantasy" stories were put out by Marilyn or her publicity machine. I just want to see a movie about Marilyn. Whether it's fact or fiction I really don't care because we all come away with our own opinions in the end. I just want to see a Marilyn movie where the actress portraying makes you believe you are actually watching Marilyn. From the trailer I think Michele Williams has the talent to pull it off. I'm hoping not to be disappointed. I saw a publicity still of Naomi Watts as Marilyn and she looks nothing like her at all. That's a movie I may wait for on DVD. True story or not I just want to be taken back to that era and to a time when Marilyn was alive. I really wish she was still alive. At some point we may have gotten the actual truth from Marilyn herself about her life but for now this is all we have, so I'm going to see it and hopefully enjoy it because I am such a huge fan of the woman that was Marilyn.

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It's a movie... a very honest and captivating one, at that. I was completely fooled by the opening titles of Fargo, but I also accepted that whether or not it was a true story, it was a captivating film. This was a good movie... a good good movie. Stop being a "Harry Potter Fan". (One who looks too far into the legitimacy of adaptations)

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Yep, there is not such thing as a "true" story. Something always gets changed in the telling. Sometimes a little, sometimes a lot but always something.

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And that's why true filmmaking talents change only a little, and the talentless change a lot.

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Clark was there, Spoto wasn't.

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Clark was NOT there during the week in question. Spoto, on the other hand, has published the documents that prove who was with Marilyn and where she was.

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To the OP:
I'm a fan of Marilyn and have been all of my life but I think you need to calm down here.
I've read The prince, the showgirl and me, the original book, many times, and I believe it because it gives an honest portrait of a beautiful but damaged woman, isolated and missunderstood. The following book is just a pile of *beep* I agree. Any Marilyn fan would know he was just milking that cow again, but this time with lies. It is nevertheless entertaining and harmless. I don't share with you the notion that Marilyn was a kind of saint incapable of adultery or doing wrong. She was a human being, not only an icon and honestly I don't care, I love her with all her faults.

That leads me to the last part of your first post. Your rant about Michelle Williams is not fair. It wouldn't be my choice of actress for that role (I don't think there's anyone comparable to Marilyn today) but the clips I've seen have made me think that maybe they have treated the icon with respect and the person with sensitivity. Let's hope so. I guess you haven't seen the film yet, like me, so why don't we wait to see it to judge?

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I'm fine, it's the Michelle Williams fangirls who are furious about the object of their blind worship being portrayed as less than stellar. So, like most 16 yr.-olds, their defense is using a string of four-letter words...grade-school stuff. No room for any substantial debate here.
Since Williams is not stupid, she knows Marilyn never knew Clark, so just how that translates into respect and sensitivity, I do not see. MW is an opportunist, and one of the best.
The word "rant" is an exaggeration and overused on these boards. I merely expressed my opinion of an actress. Is this no longer allowed by the "thought police?" There are dozens of good-looking, talented actors and actresses I do appreciate and respect, thus, it's merely a matter of taste and judgement.
I, too, read the first Clark book and found it highly specious. His dates are off and, like so many also claimed, he somehow became the most famous actress in the world's personal confidante.
I don't think it's harmless, as some do, to tout Marilyn as a cartoonish bimbo, which itself proves that Clark really was not part of her close, protective circle. People are too complex to be that one-dimensional. Read some non-Weinstein reviews of this movie. Apparently, as is always the case, the movie does not do her justice.
Most wouldn't like their friend, relative or casual acquaintance to be exploited like that. In addition to being "libeled/slandered" themselves. Why celebrate when it is done to another person who has no voice in the smear?
I am well aware that Marilyn had many flaws and made people angry. I, also, have been a fan for a long while, since a child. So, I've seen/read it all, including the BS, at first. One sign of adulthood is that we homo-sapiens cannot be 100% pure-OR-evil. I NEVER did maintain MM was a candidate for Sainthood. I obviously am aware that Monroe did what she had to do to become a star, and that she did engage in some affairs.
I only pointed out the impossibility to be in two places at one time during the "Week" Clark fabricated.
Still, all the stories of her sleeping with any John, James or Harry began after she, and then the Kennedy's passed away. The scenarios that were created out of thin-air are sickening.
You might--or not--find people like Robert Slatzer, Jeanne Carmen, and Colin Clark entertaining, but I find them disgusting.
That's how it is, because, we are supposed to be able to exercise "free-speech" on these boards...last I heard...

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Of course you're entitled to free speech, but what you are doing here is showing a frustration and anger at this little movie like it was the devil. So your claim that you are calm doesn't ring true.

I'm not a Michelle Williams fan, so I had reservations about her casting. If the movie fails, she isn't to blame. She took a big challenge and risk with this role. She knew people would go at her throat to dare compare herself to Marilyn. She deserves credit just for being so brave an actor. And I tell you, I'm warming up to the clips I've seen so far (By the way, my big complaint could only be the casting of Ormond as Vivien Leigh).

I know where you come from. I've been there. Marilyn is now public domain, so anybody can say whatever about her and get away with it. I don't like it either but in this case, changing some dates and flattering himself with having befriended and "kissed" Marilyn once, doesn't seem to me to be such offense. The production values alone and the great cast and care that seem to be put in this effort is a warrant for me. And I don't work for the Weinsteins (I wish ;D)

In any case, it is a work of fiction, like any other movie. I'm sure there are more important "battles" to fight in your life than this. And I say this from experience and with respect for your concern.

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Dr. Ralph, is that you, my psychiatrist? Wow! FREE advice? No, that would NOT be Dr. Ralph!
Seriously, tho, I think anger and frustrated emotions more appropriately fall upon my new IMDB "fans." Why not psychoanalyze them?
I honestly am calm, although I am running short on time and have some responsibilities to tend to, which is probably what you are very wisely picking up on. What do these skids do all day?
I came here to bravely state the obvious, and then, even ballzier, my opinions. Now, I am being inundated w/ replies because I obviously hit a nerve (well, several!). I think your concern is tenuous, if misguided, that is, if you are sincere.
Per the movie/book, skinny-dipping with Clark doesn't come-off as "harmless," while on her honeymoon! I think Arthur would agree. It's more than changing dates. Clark never got close to her, so how in the world can he re-create her private persona without resorting to the old dumb blond "image?"
Integrity is a buried treasure in today's world. And I detest when people, dead or alive, are taken advantage of. Particularly when they cannot come to their own defense.
But alas, you are right, I do waste time on dead screens.

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Wow, what a fool I am! I've been reading other posts by you in this board and now I see the kind of poster I was dealing with. To think that I've been wasting my time trying to talk sense to a paranoid troll. My mistake.

Dr. Ralph.

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I certainly agree, with you, you are a very much a fool! I'm happy that you finally realized that, Dr. Ralph. As long as parnoid trolls are being discussed, try looking in the mirror (though I know it must be difficult for someone like you).

That's good work, today, troll. But sorry, our session is over. Mindless drone.

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I want a parnoid troll doll for Christmas!

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I'll trade you a paranoid troll doll for a Mickey Rooney doll for Christmas.

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I told you that was Michelle's fault... and I will SO make that trade.

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NoraPinephrin, darling, I hope you`ll eventually attend a doctor. They can help you, you know?
In the meantine, grow up!

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Based on your posts, dahhlink, and your admitted problem with anger-issues and stalking people on IMDB boards, ask for your money back!
BTW, you need to calm down there. I know you require a "grown-up" to get you into an appropriate place, but I don't think it's safe to divulge my information to you.

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Sez you.

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"Sez you."

Terrific reply, may I borrow it? "HelloDollyLlama," regarding your post below: That is such horsesh!t. Just because some peon was working on a Marilyn Monroe movie, therefore his 1990s "memoirs" are the truth?
Marilyn Monroe was not a person known to socialize on her movie-sets. Not out of unfriendliness, but out of fear, shyness, and, particularly in this movie, by now extremely uncomfortable being gawked at (and Vivien Leigh's presence).
Your justification of Colon Clark is unreal. Since Clark didn't include bedding down Marilyn Monroe in his fiction, therefore he MUST be "credible"...BTW, Clark was not the "ONE guy who DIDN'T make that claim."
I'd take researched documents, facts and interviews (some with those close to MM who were still alive) when Spoto wrote his book, over this amoral moneygrubber Clark, anytime. Colon Clark's own brother stated that his "diaries" were untrue.
Spoto (and other "credible" biographers) bring forth all the documentation necessary to prove where Marilyn was and at what time. Her schedule, plane tickets, personal records, etc.. He wrote Marilyn's biography before Colon Clark wrote this shameless claim and insult to Monroe's memory and character.
Gee, Clark should have chosen another week! Stupid idiot.
There are hundreds of men Marilyn interacted with who did not claim that they slept together.
Normen Rosten, Sam Shaw, Ralph Roberts, Milton Greene, to start with. The majority of male leads, supporting actors and directors in ALL of her movies. What about the other hundreds of CREW MEMBERS in over ten years of movie-making?
Go through each movie MM made and see for yourself. I don't have the time or patience to babysit trolls.
If your ideology were to be correct, all history books are false because no one was there! Really bright.


"They call? You run."

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Let me tell you people why this story is absolutely, positively, true.

During the course of the last half century, dozens and dozens of actors, directors and other Hollywood players have written memoirs about 1950s Hollywood. And virtually every male who ever met Monroe, claims he slept with her. Brando, Elia Kazan, the guy who cleaned her pool, everybody. It was almost a rite of passage for a man working in the business back then, to claim you had nailed Marilyn.

The one guy who DIDN'T make that claim, although he easily could have? Clark.

And that's why he has more credibility than people like Spoto, who were never there.

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I absolutely loved this film! How many bio-pics are the absolute truth? We know that! Film is fantasy, and we have seen it for a long time, even so called bio-pics. MW was brilliant, and all the actors were magnificent. I cried my eyes out at the end.

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You should be crying about the waste of money spent seeing this ugly spectacle.
This "bio-pic" as you refer to it, is 100% fantasy. There can be no reality in it, therefore, this is NOT a biopic.
It is documented that Clark fabricated 100% of this week. What more proof does one need? Even his brother "blew the whistle" on him, about both "diaries" being conjured up 40 years later.
How do you explain Marilyn's Hospital stay recorded that very week? Arthur's plane tickets proving he was in town during same? This, with skinny-dipping simultaneously with that charlatan Clark? Uh, no.
I have the Jack Cardiff, celebrated British cinematographer, Q & A book. In the pages Marilyn is mentioned, he mentions she isolated herself, was terrified to be seen, and NEVER socialized with the crew.
Cardiff was "there." He doesn't fabricate a week spent with her, now does he? She specifically asked for him to film "The Prince and The Showgirl," too, and there are pictures of them together at functions Colon Clark apparently wasn't invited to by Marilyn, et al...
Are there any photographs of Colon and Marilyn? Like all the B.S. Artists who make up stories and books about her, I can answer, NO.
You'd rather believe Colin Clark's lies.
Ignorance isn't necessarily bliss, anymore.



"They call? You run."

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"Everyoneisanactor," Ha ha. Yeah, sure, Marilyn fell in love with Clark. It must have been an interesting "true love," since they never even met. "The truth?" Clark is an expert in lying, regarding "the truth." Always in his brother's shadow, who denounced these delusional "diaries," Colon concocted them to leech off of Marilyn Monroe. Money before integrity, for Colon Clark.
Not the first, nor the last...


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I cannot add to what you have written. I can only say thank you from the bottom of my heart. This movie is a travesty. Colin Clark was a fraud on the level of Jeanne Carmen and Robert Slatzer.

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Thank you, if you are referring to the OP. Glad to see there is someone with integrity on IMDB boards.
I'm still being stalked for it, but the TRUTH is the truth. And, this is the impression teens and young adults will get of Marilyn, as many never really saw her at length. They cannot know the true uniqueness, unbelievable beauty, luminous aura--I cannot do her justice on her fabulousness. 50 years gone and perhaps more adored than during her life.
In addition, Monroe deserves a lot more credit than this book and movie give her, for her intelligence, non-victim stance, being faithful to her marriage, and so on.
It's actually playing within walking distance from us, but, no way!

As many negative reviewers suggest, watch MM's movies, not this.


"They call? You run."

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Miss Williams is under the impression she has done Monroe a favor with her dreary one-note performance. I am hard put to believe she did "ton of research" before emarking on this project. All one needs to do is watch the five minute interview with MM at the LA airport when she returns to Hollywood to begin "Bus Stop." In control, speaking in a normal voice, confident. Witty. Where are these qualities in Ms. Williams portrayal?!

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Williams freely admitted to using "osmosis" to study Marilyn by putting books under her pillow at night. She has an ego the size of Texas in thinking she did Monroe any favors. Her recent publicity quote, "I think of Marilyn as a friend." Oh, pleeease.
It's apparent Marilyn would be extremely hurt and upset by both the movie and someone like Williams playing her. Especially insulting was copying the one character Marilyn was ashamed she would be confused with.
Yes, Clark is as phony as Slatzer, Carmen, Jordan, etc., or as a "three-dollar bill," as the old saying goes.

"Is IMDB an Internet Forum for Learning or a Teenage Brothel?"

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It's a movie. Nobody expects it to be documentary. Lift the needle; your incessant rants are boring in the extreme.

"Thank you, thank you--you're most kind. In fact you're every kind."

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"Rants." Overused much? It's called discussion. Only, whining cry-babies make that difficult for adults.
Then don't read them. But you apparently love to. Or are you illiterate?
Lift your needle and your ignorance.
I will continue to post whenever and whatever I want. Now, all the more after your daft post, so too bad. Remember the "Ignore" button?
Your dim-witted exaggeration is only a diversion from the point of the post.
A documentary is not expected, but neither is a complete fairy tale a.k.a. bullsh!t.
Which the book and movie is. It's disrespectful, Michelle Williams looks like a fool and I'm sick of her worshipers' blindness to this movie being a disaster.
Isn't it your nap time?


"Is IMDB an Internet Forum for Learning or a Teenage Brothel?"

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I get it now. The meds aren't working. Up your dosage.

"Thank you, thank you--you're most kind. In fact you're every kind."

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You should know, Mildred. You just came OUT of the nuthouse!


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SimpleMinded much?

"Thank you, thank you--you're most kind. In fact you're every kind."

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Yes, Mildred, you are! And "boring to the extreme." It's past your bedtime now. Chuck it in, Mildred, your idiotic posts don't "cut it" with adults on this board.
You insult us, yet keep coming back for more.
Instead, why not use the time to send your lover, Michelle Williams, a letter indicating how great you think she is? See firsthand how much she'll appreciate and respond to you...


"They call? You run."

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If defending Michelle Williams against mean-spirited comments makes one a "fangirl", what does ranting about the portrayal of Marilyn in this film make you? Your hypocrisy is the reason for why no one can take your posts seriously.

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Isn't there an IMDB rule about you re-posting the same post on every thread you are following this writer on?

"Your hypocrisy is the reason for why no one can take your posts seriously"
Oh, did you take a poll? Let us see it then.
We can just about figure out the results.
The only ones who cannot "take my posts seriously" are 13-24 year-olds whose brains are still undeveloped. They have no critical thinking skills, low attention spans, have an obsessive crush on Michelle Williams and are too immature to respond with anything other than a "rant."

"Is IMDB an Institute of Learning or a Teenage Brothel?"

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The only ones who cannot "take my posts seriously" are 13-24 year-olds.

Oh, did you take a poll? Let us see it then. Thanks for proving my earlier point, you deluded hypocrite.

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You, with your immature username "LittleTiffani," have just proven it. For sure, you'll be "taken seriously," advertising your childishness with that idiotic username. You cannot be over 25, because clearly your brain is not developed yet--if it ever will be. Your writings are so awkwardly dim.
Also, didn't you write that you were going to stop following me around? Yes, you sure did. That makes YOU the hypocrite, since even though you insisted you would stop, you cannot cease from stalking me. Weirdo.
These posts not taken seriously? What a laugh. That's why this is the Number One answered thread, started by this poster, on the board! Do you have brain damage, are you naturally stupid, or are you too young to post intelligently?

What a fool you make of yourself when you trail. BTW, are you also posting under "MillieD?"


"Is IMDB an Institute of Learning or a Teenage Brothel?"

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Do you really want to raise the subject of username's when you have awkwardly named yourself after a woman you obsessively hate? And apparently I'm the dim weirdo here. I find your bitterness and psychotic rage to be classic examples of immaturity - and you admit to being over the age of 25? How embarrassing for you. Yes, I'm a lot younger than you are; yet I'm not the one furiously resorting to verbal abuse every time someone's opinion differs from my own. Fear not; I won't be responding to you again. I hope you seek some help for your various issues.

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Do you really want to guess the reason for this user's name when you display such "tunnel-vision," and seem incapable of any ideas as to why it might have been chosen? There is nothing "awkward" in this. Where on Earth did you garner that inappropriate adjective? Is your imagination so dull or mind so small that you cannot generate believable scenarios, and then, "live and let live," as we adults do?
No, you have to immediately turn to blatant fury to defend your buddy, Michelle Williams.
Have you never heard of the concept of "irony?" What about the fact that this poster's moniker incites such a fuss from the Willaims fangirls/boys and P.R. posters? There was no way of knowing this would occur, but now that it has, it is amusingly RIDICULOUS!
Yes, you ARE quite a bit younger than 25. This was obvious straight-away.
Alas, since stating you would never reply to my post again (above), you have responded to this writer again. And again. And again. And so on. I would label YOUR overall behavior the utmost of childishness. You are wise not to reply--I am beyond the scope of your intelligence and you waste my time.

OH--and in all seriousness, do get psychiatric help now, before it's too late. Because it is for Michelle Williams.


"C'mon, Oscar! Let's you and me get drunk!"

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You are right it is all made up I have read Donald Spoto's bio!

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Thank you, Elizabeth-145.


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Unfortunately since a lot of people seem to believe everything they see and think that "based on a true story" means it is 100% true, I'm sure this will be added into the already enormous pile of horsecrap that is widely believed about Marilyn.

I had read Colin Clark's "The Prince, the Showgirl and Me" years ago and always felt that something seemed off about it. It never quite struck me as true. Such a shame that with all the correct,authenticated information & stories about Monroe, this drivel is what they choose to base a movie on.

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