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In Defense of Idris Elba


I think Idris Elba is a great actor, and a great choice for Roland. While he may not fit the physical description to a Tee, the actor does have a gravitas and persona that could equally convey the inner qualities of Roland. His characterizations in The Wire, Luther and a plethora of films more than show his range, and in many photos of him, while he does seem more built like a linebacker than graceful and tall as Roland is described, the man has an overbearing presence and a gaze that cuts into your soul. If ever an actor - regardless of race - could play Roland perfectly, Elba would be it.

I have seen a number of concerns on this board as to whether the first film will or will not include Susannah, Eddie, etc. Whether it will be reductionist or even deconstructionist, some have even argued that this could not be canon because of the changes being made to it. Perhaps it will not be canon to the books, as written, but as Sai King himself so often reflects film and books are two separate things. Like apples and oranges each are delicious but each has a flavor all its own. To wit, the films don't NEED to be canon, and most likely should not be.

Certain stories such as Harry Potter are written almost fully-formed and can be filmed almost as written. The Exorcist is also a very good example, as the dialogue and scenarios were translated to film almost word-for-word with only a minor subplot removed. And yes, there are some very cinematic elements to The Dark Tower series which I do find myself hoping they will lift whole-cloth from the books. Scenes like the shoot-outs in Balazar's Leaning Tower Club, and the one in the Maine general store in 1977. The scene with Stephen King - hell any of the longer talking scenes, the palaver with Walter in the Golgotha of bones, the chase under the mountains.

All that being said, if they find ways to make this a sequel (as King has also gone on records as stating the intention of the film will be), I will be very interested to see how they lift elements from all through the series and settle them into one production. The initial production must, by the nature of the general audience, be reductive but it can also be deep and clever. It must reach out to a new audience, people who have never read the books, and give them a taste of what the series will truly be about, as there is a long haul here and the creative team for the film has the daunting task of both giving the fan base what they want and making a case for new viewers as to why they should invest in this story.

Lifting an rearranging the elements of the film, thus deconstructing the story need not take away from the political, social, philosophical and moral statements the original stories made, although it will be a challenge for any writer and/or director to arrange these statements into a new whole. I think they are smart for making the first film like the first book - just Jake and Roland. Hopefully we will get story elements like Tull, King has already said he's solid in insisting the film start with the line, "The man in black fled across the desert, and the Gunslinger followed," and I am hoping to see the slow mutants and the Way Station. But with the other elements they have confirmed will be there - Titana, Susan, the Mansion on Dutch Hill and numerous other things from throughout the books, I have a feeling the film will be structured with the same dreamlike, hazy quality the first book was, and perhaps will have jumps in time - flashbacks, flashback-within-flashback, stream of consciousness, and many of the other elements that have made this series great, and were so present in the first film.

As to the racial elements between Susannah/Detta/Odetta, Eddie and Roland - even with a black Roland there is still the possibility for a statement to be made there. Perhaps even to strike a deeper chord with this. It has been suggested (not just here but in many quarters) that Detta could call Roland an Uncle Tom. But this is more a surface detail. There can still be racial tension brought about by the fact that Roland is a constabulary, that he travels with White Folk (if he indeed does call Eddie first in this iteration). It could be a sharper dagger for Detta's mind, the idea that a white dude and a black dude are working together. There is still so much that can be done with the material, even with a Roland of a different color.

Well, that's all I have to say for now. Hope to hear yon tet's thoughts on this, may it do ya. Long days and pleasant nights.

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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This is what a full glass looks like. Consider, though, how theatre release movies usually are these days. They usually just jam a bunch of crap together with swirling colours and loud noises flashing on the screen with cgi stuff. That sort of fare is exactly what the first movie shouldn't be. It should be what you are surely imagining: a mostly intimate arty and mostly silent film. Something that would actually be considered good. I am simply stating that my bet is that they overblow the wrong concepts and themes and plot points to ensure their investments by filling as many seats as they can, and probably merchandising: Dark Tower lunchboxes and video games obviously. They will focus on the loud and not the subtle aspects of the series. Once again, this is simply an opinion and also a bet.

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You've obviously got the glass half empty then. I think your take on modern blockbusters is a little over simplified. While there have been a number of flashy, horrendous adaptations there has also heen some quite good filmmaking coming out of Hollywood as late. True-life stories like Sully, Deepwater Horizon and the one about the Coast Guard rescue in the 50s were all given IMAX treatment. Most movie-to-book adaptations are treated with respect to the source material even if a million things were changed. The Bourne Identity's plot bears little resemblence to its book source but the film is so much in the same spirit that I stopped caring about the differences after 20 minutes.

For this movie they hired a director whose resume includes well-done adaptations of recent popular novels and art house fare, which is exactly the kind of thing that gives me hope for this project. Arcel is completely capable of making a quiet, artistic film with violence in the correct measure - IF the studio allows him to follow his vision.

I must admit I share your trepidation as far as how the suits will allow a truly quality and artistic film to be made. I do however have faith that the creative team can pull it off. All judgement on the matter should be withheld until the film is actually released. And as I've said before if they go the way of the blockbuster I'll join you on the soapbox and cry off. But if films like Inception, Interstellar and The Martian can get made in the current studio climate then just maybe this film has a chance of being a good reflection of the first book.

Keep in mind the budget is very low for a film of this kind, a very good indicator that the intention is to be low-key. Also we haven't seen a bunch of stunt, action or even stunt doubles in production stills, also a fair indicator of what they're going for. I really don't think this is just going to be a bunch of random action sequences thrown together with no regard for the source material. Consider your bet accepted.

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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There is no defense for Elba. If anyone had suggested him on this board before any casting was even rumoured they would have been laughed at, and rightfully so.
And the way they are treating the book's story (as in ignoring it and making an in name only cr*pfest) is an insult to a great series.

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I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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What a pointless reply that was, you could just admit you have no counter argument. Because that reply shows you don't anyway.

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I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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Spider "I guarantee there will be no further Dark Tower installments" 198.
That's your name now you toad.

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

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Oh look there's my pathetic little shadow again, and it managed to form a post all by itself. Still complete cr*p but the pathetic effort is something I guess.

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http://tinyurl.com/z32vyjy

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So you are posting noises that are the audio representation of your intelligence now. At least you are honest.

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Because the childish insults and petty remarks is all you do on this board, the amount of threads where you don't even offer a reasoned, logical argument is just pathetic. I don't try and have a normal conversation with people who have that attitude.

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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I thoroughly enjoyed reading your original post. As someone who isn't exactly an Idris supporter (but i'm trying ringo, i'm trying real hard), one of my main concerns with him is that i haven't seen a lot of range. I've seen bits and pieces of Luther and The Wire, tried to familiarise myself with some of his movies but i'm still fencesitting tbh. As you're a fan, i'd love a couple of movie recommendations where his acting ability shines through if you don't mind? (not just stoic and badass which he does just fine) Greatly appreciated :)

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Tina, have you seen Beasts of no Nation? I think he was tremendous in it, but it's not what you might consider your light-hearted, feel good movie. Then I saw Zootopia over the weekend and I thought it was just so funny that he was in movies so polar opposite of each other. Anyway, if you're looking for another movie to get more of a feel for the man (so to speak), that's a good one.

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I would agree with Joanna that Beasts of No Nation is the piece that really shows his range. I also found his role in Prometheus to be something more than "stoic tough guy."

Luther for me really is where it's at - his character is conflicted, confused, tempted and disgusted by his prey - sometimes all at once. It's really been a shame that the types of roles he keeps getting - from Heimdall to Pacific Rim tend to be the more stoic characters. But he did also play Mandella in Long Walk to Freedom, and had a nice role on the Showtime series The Big C.

I've seen quite a lot of range from Elba and I feel that he would be a great fit for the role of Roland.

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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Thanks for that you two, i'm on it :D I just watched a few clips from it and i'm surprised it went under my radar, it looks GOOD! Especially Idris.

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I always give perfectly good arguments, you have yet to give one a return though. Your posts are nothing but noise, you blather on making excuses for bad casting and poor decisions but that doesn't make them good arguments.

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I always give perfectly good arguments


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The funny thing about Spider's reply is that he doesn't seem to be aware that I'm using his own post against him.

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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Eventually, there comes a point when a parody takes on a life of it's own .

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Yes I am laughing at your lazy reply, next time engage your brain before typing.

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I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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I like Idris Elba, but I'm still against his casting of Roland, because the casting just comes off as mere Identity Politics imposed by the Studios.

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It is appearing that way. I will give Elba the benefit of the doubt till I see something of his physical performance as Roland, but I'm teetering on the edge of having any hope his performance alone will be enough. They certainly are going for an altogether different look that anything I've imagined. Good or bad? Somewhere in the middle. I want to see the DT film series go all the way. If they change too much will it still be the DT series only in name. Crossing fingers they make this work...

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It is appearing that way.


I have to wonder - Why?? What, in ANY of the interviews or materials released about this says Identity Politics or SJW to you? Everything I have read on the subject from Akiva Goldsman to Arcel to Sai King himself - even Ron Howard's input - has them talking about how they saw something of Roland in Elba. And I have to admit from what I've seen of his acting I can see it too.

The only explanation I have for people jumping to this conclusion is a pre-conceived notion that ANY change of character race from source to screen is going to be interpreted as identity politics so it probably doesn't matter what anyone involved says anyway, you're probably going to go on thinking that regardless of any reasons put forth for the casting choices.

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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the casting just comes off as mere Identity Politics imposed by the Studios.


I have to wonder - Why?? What, in ANY of the interviews or materials released about this says Identity Politics or SJW to you? Everything I have read on the subject from Akiva Goldsman to Arcel to Sai King himself - even Ron Howard's input - has them talking about how they saw something of Roland in Elba. And I have to admit from what I've seen of his acting I can see it too.

The only explanation I have for people jumping to this conclusion is a pre-conceived notion that ANY change of character race from source to screen is going to be interpreted as identity politics so it probably doesn't matter what anyone involved says anyway, you're probably going to go on thinking that regardless of any reasons put forth for the casting choices.

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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Really? You can't be original when addressing different posters? You have to give me a duplicate post?

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To be fair, when you have repeated the same (basic) points for close to one-hundred occasions...

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I was speaking of MaximusGrandimus (who has made the same points many times over by now). Mistakes, in that case, happen.

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My bad. Sorry about that.

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I wasn't sure if you'd see/respond to the other one I posted...

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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I saw the post you addressed to Stormbringer, but you didn't have to spam the same exact message to me.

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Whatever, keep deflecting and don't actually, ya know, respond to the content of the post...

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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I'm deflecting nothing. It be one thing if I were answering a unique message posted to me, but making me answer a copy message is just lethargic. You made your point inane with that kind of laziness.

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Roland is white. Idris Elba isn't white. Idris Elba is a bad choice for Roland

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