White Messiah Complex?


This movie looks so 90s (not in a good way, although I do miss much from that decade).

To be fair, it could be a good film, but I thought that the era for movies like this had passed, especially after the past 10-15 years with our bogus wars, the Bush regime, the Obama regime (yes, it too is awful - look at drone strike numbers since he was elected and you'll see he has Bush beat by a mile), and the financial insanity since the bubble burst in '08.

What we need is a film where someone from abroad recruits Americans to their culture, rescuing them from the madness that has become the US.

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There have been movies like that but they're all period pieces. And even then, the white man is the saviour. Think Dances with the Wolves and The Last Samurai as your prime examples.

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Yeah, I was just laughing about those films the other day. It's hard to believe that crap like this is still being made, but again, to be fair, the trailer indicates that it is John Hamm's character's personal reasons for going after an Indian ball player to boost his own sagging career, and not an express reason to Americanize the rest of the world.

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Why don't you make that film. It's going to be a toughie. Because people still flock to this country, legally and illegally. They aren't so fixated on your grim fiction of a country in decline. And to think I logged on just to find out more about this movie - and find politically insipid drivel like yours. It's as if a neo-con wrote your post as a satire of your way of thinking.

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I didn't sense that the lives of either of the players in India was something they needed rescuing from. They both came from loving, supportive families. Neither family was rich but they seemed to have enough to get by. None of the Americans said anything about "rescuing" the boys, although Jon Hamm's character did mention giving them a rare chance at being a professional baseball player.

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Well said. Very good point you make about the so called 'messiah' not having a reason to rescue these young men, because he didn't.

Yes, post colonialism, democracy, capitalism have made crap out of once prosperous empires ravishing it of its riches and resources and leaving it in ruins to never return to its previous glory, and yes, it sucks that America's wealth comes at the expense of other nations....that aside...this was an inspirational movie not about separatism, supremacy or any type of division. It seemed like a point of unity, of coming together to share a global cornucopia of cultures and various resources.

Their families were prosperous in culture, love and togetherness, I believe that was the point being made. They didn't just scoop them up and sweep them away from their dreary lives. They had a ceremony first and they were supported by all of their people, to the astonishment of the Americans...that is true wealth. Yes, the player's families did win money and eventually a contract, but JB also sat in front of an altar and prayed for the first time and became a better person having been exposed to them. He got something from them as well. To imply this was a racist one way exchange where somebody loses and somebody wins is a gross misrepresentation of this work...I believe the point of the movie is to show the value in both worlds. If you don't see that, then it is you, yourself whom don't recognize the beauty of any culture outside of your own.

Bollywood Film industry is a booming and prosperous business, so even the coming together of Hollywood and Bollywood is a moment to rejoice.

I swear, people just can't seem to enjoy anything anymore, don't waste your life rebelling about so much that you fail to find the beauty in anything at all. Trust me, I've been where you are, and although it has its merit to be aware of racism and capitalism but being a naysayer to everything...seeing the half empty glass all the time is bound to leave you...empty.

The movie made me feel so good I wanted to come on here and talk to others who were moved by it as I was. But once again coming to the message board...especially of a film featuring a majority of multi-ethnic faces, it almost always has a dark cloud of downplayers and naysayers...maybe even haters all over it. I will have to watch the movie again, just to return to my happy place. This is not a documentary but is based on a true story of extraordinary accomplishment, courage and cultural brotherhood...who can't see that?

Even if the players didn't turn out to be that great after getting signed...they learned a new culture, language, diet, environment, independence AND baseball in 10 months...how many of us American's would fare the same in their country and under that much pressure...and even racism (which I'm almost certain really occurred)?

Say it with me..."it's ok to have happy endings...we are not against being happy...happy is good, not bad"

QofH3arts

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Oh yea and India hasnt had problems? Rampant corruption, abuse of women, honor killings, gang rapes, etc. Its economy is souring now. How sad Shanghai looks like city of the future while Mumbai looks like a feces infested hell hole

And many of the $2/day peasants would give their arm and leg to come to USA to open a 7-11

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Good points about how India is fu*&ed up, but what I said was not restricted to India:

"What we need is a film where someone from abroad recruits Americans to their culture, rescuing them from the madness that has become the US."

I should have specified that what I meant was the concept in general, not the specific story in the film.

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"And many of the $2/day peasants would give their arm and leg to come to USA to open a 7-11. Shanghai looks like city of the future while Mumbai looks like a feces infested hell hole"

As would many Chinese peasants. And Mumbai is Mumbai, Shanghai is Shanghai, different history and spirituality to the places.

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What we need is a film where someone from abroad recruits Americans to their culture, rescuing them from the madness that has become the US.


Got a good compelling true story to base it on and several million $$ to produce it? Please do!

PS: There's already a weekly TV show pretty much about that.. House Hunters International on HGTV.

Otterprods, to keep those aquatic Mustelidae in line.

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Hamm was a likeable American in this movie.Taking the youth under his wing, supporting and encouraging them, even for monetary gain, was quite impressive. Also, a little bit of paternalism is not a bad thing. I hope no Indian or person of Indian origin, is offended by this. I'm certainly not. Messiah complex indeed!

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Except at no point do these kids embrace American culture over their own. ( one kid says he loves pizza though). In fact it has John Hamm praying with them at a a shrine built in his house, and one of the later scenes has them transforming his backyard into a scene from India.
fact: 87.3% of IMDB users belong to the secret society of cynics.

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Well, how much of American culture do you want/expect them to embrace? They do speak English, or try to and get better at it, they play baseball and their exposure to American culture is probably slowly evolving.

Why should they give up their religion, language or customs, unless those seriously clash with American culture and laws. It's not an either-or thing, is it?

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Oh yea India is just great

Every city smelling of feces. An outdated sewage and plumbing system
Yes many w\new billionaire but all around their grand homes shacks of the poor and downtrodden

Gang rapes, abuse of women

Rampant corruption

Souring economy

Fascination with idiotic Bollywood films where men dance like...well lol people laugh at Indian men

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What are you gassing and belching about, Viggeo Morgenstein?

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I love when "So You Think You Can Dance" or "Dancing With the Stars" feature a Bollywood dance. They are exciting and seem quite difficult to perform. I certainly wouldn't laugh at the agility of the male dancer. Okay, I am fascinated with the dancers.

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