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I bought a house in 2006 and I don't blame anyone but myself


I became a first time home buyer in 2006. At the time I did think the value of the place was a little high but given the current real estate climate I anticipated the prices of homes to continue to rise so I bought in. In the back of my head of course I knew that the value of the home could definitely drop but that is the case in any investment.

Flash forward to 2011...looking back I should have stuck with my gut that the home was overpriced. It's always easy to be a Monday morning quarterback. A few units in my area did go into foreclosure and the vaule of my home has dropped well below what I bought in for.

I do not blame the banks. I do not blame the elite of Wall Street. That day in June of 2006 when I purchased the place I knew what I was getting into and I knew the responsiblities that came with it. Maybe I could have done my homework better, maybe I should have known that a housing boom like that wasn't going to last forever, but ultimately these oversights are my fault. I'm bunkered in for the long haul now and I realize that I'm likely going to have to take a significant loss. My dream of building equity has turned into just staying afloat but I'm not pointing the finger at anyone but myself.

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Interesting thoughts.

Though considering you still have a roof over your head and as long as you can keep paying, you haven't 'lost' anything yet.

Although you don't blame the banks or the elite, I think somewhere in your heart you should still keep even a little space to resent them, because regardless of your cavalier attitude in buying - ultimately a large portion of the blame is with them. Don't be fooled. If housebuyers have even 10-20% of the blame, they carry the rest.

It will be interesting to see other posts from others in this topic maybe in a similar position.

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My dream of building equity has turned into just staying afloat but I'm not pointing the finger at anyone but myself.

It seems you're pretty realistic but on the other hand I'd suggest that you were betrayed, just like all Americans who work for a living and try to do well, doing the "right" things. I, unfortunately, don't like what I see here in America. And I feel bad for feeling that waybut at bottom sometimes i think we're a selfish-nation. Life sure doesn't look as if the slope of the line goes upward in the economic sphere. I think that's going to be hard to take here in the future. Just my take of the aftermath of the collapse..and betrayal.

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Sounds like you're a smug douche bag.

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Technically I haven't lost anything yet. I'm weathering the storm.

What the movie doesn't point out and what I'm trying to emphasize is that a lot of home owners willingly got in over their heads and now are crying like babies because things didn't take a turn in their favor.

You can spend time and energy searching for fault or you can just learn from your mistakes.

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You can spend time and energy searching for fault or you can just learn from your mistakes.

You're a commendable fellow brisk but I don't like to see you immolate yourself over a fire that was started by the banker-investment players and speculators.
You know I'm looking at it this way. Sure some homeowners might've bit a bit off BUT they were managing. They were paying the big mortgage.Problem was though that the vise was tightening because of the speculation. And the stupid speculation called in all those large homeowner loans. I'm thinking how is one to know the walls were going to start closing in? In some cases, homeowners were between a rock and a hard place. In the rock they were doing fine, tough but they were doing it. In the hard place, they were pushed whether they liked it or not.

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You guys make great points. Don't get me wrong I carry some resentment that I don't have complete control over what is the biggest investment of my life so far but what bothers me most is that I knew back in 2006 that the place I was buying was overpriced and I fell for the hype that the prices were going to continue to soar for years to come. What I've learned is that you really do have to trust your own instincts even if it goes against "expert" opinions.

Had I not bought the place in 2006 I would not only have more money but I would also be able to purchase the same place right now at the price I originally thought it should have been listed at when I first looked at it. As a first time home buyer I'm new to the real estate "game", but it looks like the market has a way of correcting itself.

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What I've learned is that you really do have to trust your own instincts even if it goes against "expert" opinions

Absolutely. And the next scam I see coming up are the baby boomers and their retirement portfolios. Shark teeth are now being sharpened and salivating over literally the hundreds of thousands of boomer money saved. I'm sure there will be the gnashing of teeth in the nights ahead!....;-)..I hope they take your advice.

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Technically I haven't lost anything yet. I'm weathering the storm.

What the movie doesn't point out and what I'm trying to emphasize is that a lot of home owners willingly got in over their heads and now are crying like babies because things didn't take a turn in their favor.

You can spend time and energy searching for fault or you can just learn from your mistakes.


Well spoken.

Just how long can everyone who bought at the wrong time weather it though, that is the real question?


And weren't most of these loans taken out to pay for basic necessities such as housing, transportation and commodities? Case in point: In 2008, the percentage of American's living paycheck-to-paycheck was 49 percent. In 2009, 61 percent. In 2010, 72 percent. And in 2011, 77 percent.


These make for very interesting figures, but also keep in mind that since credit and loans were made more widely available many more took advantage of these and so racked up "debt" and became debtors for non-necessities as well, just because they wanted to live the American Dream since it now seemed within reach.

Couple this rising debt and wanting to live the dream with still requiring necessities and so living paycheck-to-paycheck and you have a recipe of disaster.

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@deeveed:

I'd suggest that you were betrayed, just like all Americans who work for a living and try to do well, doing the "right" things.


If doing the "right thing" was a priority for all Americans, they likely would be a lot better off as a whole. As it is, most Americans aim for mediocrity, if that, rather than hone in on the "right thing", which is the general pursuit of excellence.

I'm sympathetic towards the OP (Brisk317). Taking responsibility for your actions is a fine first step towards improving them. If others are responsible for all your ills, then everything is out of your control, and there's nothing else to do but whine and complain.

And by the way, I'm not saying the banking industry *isn't* rotten. But don't forget that it's a two-way street. It takes both rotten executives, *and* gullible peons, to create a giant mess such as the one we're currently experiencing.

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But don't forget it's a two-way street. It takes both rotten executives, *and* gullible peons, to create a giant mess such as the one we're currently experiencing.

In a perfect world we wouldn't have so many "gullible peons" now would we. However, in the real world never forget that while Wall Street execs were motivated by greed, most Main Street average Joe's took out loans by necessity. And in the real world, neoliberal economic reform does not give priority to poverty alleviation and employment creation, but instead promotes policies such as bailing out the big banks which serve to exacerbate the problem. And weren't most of these loans taken out to pay for basic necessities such as housing, transportation and commodities? Case in point: In 2008, the percentage of American's living paycheck-to-paycheck was 49 percent. In 2009, 61 percent. In 2010, 72 percent. And in 2011, 77 percent. These numbers give evidence of the continual shrinking of the middle class. In order not to stray off topic I should mention that according to this documentary, the U.S. leads all advanced nations when it comes to unprecedented concentration of wealth and the resultant ever widening of economic and social inequalities. So wouldn't it be fair to say that a large segment of the American population had no choice but to fall prey to predatory lenders? But then again, I thought I might add that they did have a choice not to take on risky mortgages--but this may have resulted in them being homeless and eating out of a trash can--if this were to be considered an option. And since you used the word "peon", which I felt is appropriate in this context, considering the virtual omnipotent control of monetary policy know as the "Washington-Wall Street consensus"--which is comprised of the Treasury Department, Federal Reserve, World Bank, IMF, corporate lobbyist, Washington think tanks and big bank financiers which pose tremendous conflicts of interest as well as has enabled systemic financial manipulation.

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I think you make excellent points in that the cause of our troubles points to a systemic operation failure through "virtually ominpotent control of monetary policy". Add "shenanigans" (some thought that was "monetary magic" since oodles and oodles of moola were created and put into dump trucks but the wrong ones I'd think!) and we had a system that was GUARANTEED to fail. I admire Brisk and Margin's "balanced" point of view but it is a misnomer because the weight of action was precipatated from above. You mean to say the homeowners were crooked? I'm afraid the "peons" didn't have a chance to play because the dice were rigged from the get go.

And is it to be expected that their 401ks were depleted because of their error in depositing it in a trusted financial instituion? Looking back I really hope they don't kick themsleves thinking they simply gave it to the Marx Brothers........;-)...

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I'm afraid the "peons" didn't have a chance to play because the dice were rigged from the get go.

We would normally speak in past tense when discussing matters having to deal with fraud--but in this case it would be more appropriate to speak in present tense--because despite what the media would like us to believe, the big banks did not change their lending habits and practices following the credit crunch. For example, I would strongly argue that the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation(FDIC) should have stopped financial institutions from allowing homeowners to take out home equity loans immediately following the bursting of the housing market bubble. Instead, home equity loans peaked during Q1 of 2009 at $674 billion! It is a widely held misconception that only those who bought homes during the peak of the housing bubble were in trouble. The fact of the matter is many homes went into foreclosure because of owners who exhausted their home equity by taking out 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th mortgages. Additionally, according to the American Institute for Economic Research, there was a spike in commercial and industrial lending during Q4 of 2008. So the credit crunch did absolutely nothing to stop banks from ratcheting up such commercial real estate loans which now total around $3 trillion, which some experts predict will also cause major problems if and when this bubble pops.

It is a widely held rule of thumb to never spend in excess of 25-30 percent of your gross monthly income on housing. However, according to the Department of Housing and Urban Development, in 2007, twelve million Americans spent over half their monthly income on rent alone. And this statistic preceded the economic crisis that would drag millions more down the road to poverty. According to the U.S. Department of Labor, the average American consumer in 2008 spent 34.43% on housing, 15.61% on transportation, 12.99% on food, 11.15% on insurance pensions, 6.37% on health care, 5.49% on entertainment, 3.52% on apparel and services and 10.45% on miscellaneous expenses. So keeping in mind that more than three out of four Americans are living from paycheck-to-paycheck and can barely scrape by while spending roughly one-third of their income on rent, how on earth could those who pay half of their income on housing afford to pay for basic necessities without taking out a loan?

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15.61% on transportation, 12.99% on food, 11.15% on insurance pensions, 6.37% on health care, 5.49% on entertainment, 3.52% on apparel and services and 10.45% on miscellaneous expenses


Cut out or reduce the transportation requirements by taking jobs closer to home. Will not work in all cases but it's a start.

Cut out or reduce the entertainment. It depends how much an average (minimal) paycheck is, but let's say $1200 just to get a figure. Of that, that's nearly $66 on entertainment a month.. nearly $800 a year?

And what exactly are "miscellaneous expenses"? At 10.45% or let's say $125 of my rather low paycheck estimate, that's quite a lot to be going on "miscellaneous" items.

Let's face it though, they have been rubbing their hands that the price of housing has been driven up and then collapsed and we've been forced into this situation, as more are being forced into debt because of it.

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Bear in mind that Wall Street speculators drive up costs with anything they are heavily vested in. Besides housing, commodities such as food as well as oil prices are skyrocketing. So every consumer is affected. For example the "Big Five" oil companies profits have increased by 42 percent from last year, largely due to Wall Street speculators, namely large trader banks and hedge fund managers. Some estimate that up to 60 percent of crude oil prices is pure speculation. So today's meteoric rise in gasoline prices has little to do with supply and demand, but more to do with keeping gas prices artificially high. This is, as you know, a zero-sum game. If speculators are making billions of dollars in profits then it's obvious that the rest of us are paying for their profits at the pump.

The U.S. gross domestic product for 2010 came in at a staggering $14.6 trillion -- the highest ever in America's history! And these GDP numbers are estimated to increase substantially year-over-year until they approach $20 trillion by 2016. So while millions of Americans remain jobless with their homes in foreclosure, you can bet some execs and speculators are making an absolute killing in this "recession." So while I'll take part of the blame for not investing in a 50-mpg-hybrid Toyota Prius, I can't help but shift some of the blame to Wall Street.

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According to a recent Business Week report, CEOs at the nation's largest companies earned more than they did in 2007, when the bull market economy was booming and when unemployment was half of what it is right now. So don't be misled. While millions of Americans lost their homes in the aftermath of the "Worst recession since the Great Depression," and many of these ones remain jobless, execs are doing better financially than they ever did. As was also hinted in Inside Job, perhaps it's about time someone puts a cap on executive pay.

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While millions of Americans lost their homes in the aftermath of the "Worst recession since the Great Depression," and many of these ones remain jobless, execs are doing better financially than they ever did. As was also hinted in Inside Job, perhaps it's about time someone puts a cap on executive pay.


Adn they're doing better financially even though their companies did not do very well. In spite of the results thye still get paid great sums. i can understand getting paid for great responsibility but if you don't do well does it follow you still expect the same or even more renumeration?

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Blaming homeowners is too simplistic an argument. Here's why: http://realdealecon.blogspot.com/2011/03/dont-blame-homeowners-for-fin ancial.html

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All of the recovery indicators at the moment are positive compared to the start of the recession in December 2007. For example, U.S. gross domestic product has increased ever year since 1996, with the only exception being in 2009, when GDP numbers were slightly higher than they were in 2007. However, in 2010, GDP continued to pick up where it left off and then some as it topped $14.6 trillion--and these numbers are estimated to increase substantially over the next six years as it approaches $20 trillion. Consumer spending, which drives approximately 70 percent of the economy, has increased for the 9th consecutive month. So I'm baffled as to why massive layoffs ever have to occur under such circumstances. While hundreds of thousands of jobs have been added during the past few months, half of the workers who were laid off as a result of the financial crises of 2008 remain unemployed. So if entry level workers aren't reaping the benefits of such productivity, then it would be safe to say that CEOs--some of whom earn over 100,000 times the salary of their lowest paid workers--are getting the lion's share of the windfall profits. Of course some will argue that productivity has not kept up with inflation, however, executive pay has blown past inflation over the past few years.

It's no secret that the announcement of massive layoffs lead to falling corporate costs and rising share prices as corporate execs are handsomely rewarded. How else could one explain why executive pay skyrocketed 23 percent in 2010 despite the wholesale layoffs? So you can understand why I get a little ticked off when corporate extremist blame public worker unions for state budget deficits, when in reality, the primary goals of these unions is to provide their members with a living wage that keeps pace with inflation, along with health and retirement benefits. Just imagine, if corporations treated their workers in kind, then local social and welfare services wouldn't need to be stretched to the limit.

In response to Winner 1234, I could agree with you 100 percent without being hypocritical because I never live beyond my means. For example, for my entire life I have accumulated zero debt. I have never filed for personal bankruptcy protection. Since I never bought a house, or a brand new car for that matter, I have never had my property foreclosed and neither have I ever had my automobile repossessed. I consider myself fortunate because I have had steady employment over the course of most of my working career thus far and haven't experienced any major health problems that would affect my job performance. However, I still empathize with those who have not been as fortunate.

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In response to Winner 1234, I could agree with you 100 percent without being hypocritical because I never live beyond my means. For example, for my entire life I have accumulated zero debt. I have never filed for personal bankruptcy protection. Since I never bought a house, or a brand new car for that matter, I have never had my property foreclosed and neither have I ever had my automobile repossessed. I consider myself fortunate because I have had steady employment over the course of most of my working career thus far and haven't experienced any major health problems that would affect my job performance. However, I still empathize with those who have not been as fortunate.


LL....hey pretty good....I think you're in that 0.01% that has pure "freedom" if you get the drift. You were smart by not getting sucked into the economic vortex that gets most! I long for the "old" days. Let's go back to 1776.. A nice agrarian economy with some manageable trade. No credit and debit cards and ATM's. And absolutely no CDO's....;-)....

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Let's go back to 1776.. A nice agrarian economy with some manageable trade. No credit and debit cards and ATM's. And absolutely no CDO's...;-)....

Deeveed-

We don't even have to go that far back to experience a time when the financial sector was once intended to serve the individual investor--not the other way around. Inside Job touched briefly on how the financial sector has gotten way too big for its britches when banks have become too big too fail with the capability to exert monopoly power.

Former senior financial regulator William K. Black offered some detailed observations a few years ago on this very topic. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black/how-the-servant-became-a _b_318010.html Here is my fave take home point from this article: "Like all middlemen, it[financial sector] should be as small as possible, while still being capable of accomplishing its mission. Otherwise it is inherently parasitical. Forty years ago, our real economy grew better with a financial sector that received one-twentieth as large a percentage of total profits(2%) than does the current financial sector(40%)."

And here's a quote for predatory lending apologist who engage in victim-blaming: "It[FBI] also reports that 80% of mortgage fraud losses come when lender personnel are involved in the fraud.(The other 20% of the fraud would have been impossible had these fraudulent lenders not suborned their controls to maximize their growth of bad loans.)"

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I work in the banking business, although low on the totem pole- I started as a "personal banker" and now manage a branch. So low on the totem pole. I can tell you that when I started taking loan applications in 2006, I'd see people come in and apply for loans that had a fairly new home loan on their credit report and up to THIRTY collection accounts and multiple unpaid credit cards and other loans. Yet they had still been approved for a home loan. I don't care what program you are working with, these are deals that should never have been approved.

I have a "friend" in the mortgage industry, and around 2006 he was constantly doing mortgages without getting any proof of income or down payment. They had carte blanche to do what they wanted. Now look, ultimately people should be smart enough to know what they can and can't afford. But the large majority are seemingly not, and I hate to say that.

Bottom line is the housing boom and subsequent economic growth was all based on the idea that housing prices would never drop, which was a bad idea. No need for a down payment and prove that the buyer even had a job, because in the off chance we would have to foreclose, the house would've gained enough value to protect the bank. We had a good run and partied hard, but the hangover has been a real b-tch....

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The financial sector has been morally bankrupt for over a decade, but the OP is right in suggesting that EVERYTHING is their fault is saying we're powerless. While they weren't morally bankrupt, many desperate people actually bought the idea that they could be a homeowner without having real money to put upfront and didn't think critically when being given schpeels by predatory lenders. In this case, the demand didn't look at what they were buying and even think about the potential consequences, and the federal government didn't care about the consequences as so much money was being made, even though that money was not real.

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In this case, the demand didn't look at what they were buying and even think about the potential consequences, and the federal government didn't care about the consequences as so much money was being made, even though that money was not real.

Agreed. However, I still wouldn't place the lion's share of the blame on the end buyer. The primary reason why there existed a huge demand for ARMs and NINJA loans in the first place was because this "moral hazard" was guaranteed by the government through securitization. When the Fed ignored and continues to ignore the risks involved with our current American economic policy we are helpless in the sense that we are at their mercy--the big banks assumed no risk as they packaged their bad debt and sold them as derivatives. And even when no one wanted to buy these CDO's and Credit Default Swaps they would then be bailed out by the taxpayer. Remember--these big banks are too big to fail no matter how much risk they assume. The only way out of this financial dependency is by either boycotting all major banks--which won't happen especially with stagflation coupled with the scarcity of well paying jobs--or by dumping fiat currency and returning to a gold standard--which won't happen as long as the powers at be remain in office.

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Of course, it was neither party alone, but it was both.

Just check out, from that article:

"...the gap between a worker's productivity and his or her actual living standards had to be filled somehow to preserve lower class complacency. The solution was easy credit, climaxing with subprime mortgage loans. Predatory lenders offered moderate-income folk the promise of home ownership. Lenders knew that mortgage holders would be unable to pay, but this didn't matter: interest rates would rise and yield huge profits through mortgage-backed securities and other fancy derivatives. Yet when payment came due and nobody paid up, the entire system collapsed. "

So as continually previously mentioned, it was a combination of both but with a greater portion of blame on the predatory lenders.


...and another point that article mentions:

"...before you fault homeowners for not properly reading their contracts, ask yourself this: do you read every single word of every contract you sign? No? I didn't think so!)"

Yes I do, I read every contract painstakingly and make sure I understand it fully before signing, sometimes there's too much at stake not to!

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While I won't argue that homeowners who took out risky loans from predatory lenders should automatically be let off the hook simply because of their ignorance--this is far from being a chicken-or-egg type causality dilemma. The article put it in a nutshell when it stated that the financial sector drains the real economy, promotes fraud and corruption, threatens democracy and causes recurrent and intensifying crises much like how Inside Job laid it out. So in an economic environment that doesn't put a priority on bolstering the real economy(i.e., creation of jobs, goods, services and incomes) and making it sustainable over the long term--simply because it ain't as profitable as investing in market bubbles and derivatives--should it come to anyone's surprise that many Americans have taken out mortgages knowing full well that these mortgages could eventually become negative equity home loans and upside down car loans as a direct result of unemployment or a drastic reduction in their income? All I'm trying to really say is that if the root causes of our financial woes aren't fixed, understanding the fine print won't be of much help.

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I'll throw this out. I just got a communication for a borrowers consolidation loan..fixed rate about 4.75%. They say that I can go up to $417,000 and get an "answer" in 21 days. I figure the house will be collateral. What do you "bankers" think?????. I kind of look askance right now in doing any "borrowing" at all so soon after this housing quagmire.

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Unless you earn a six-figure salary, built up your credit rating, have enough savings to put down 20 percent and have little or no debt, I'd have to say this doesn't sound legit at all. I must admit that I'm not a banker but one of my coworkers worked as one while living in Hong Kong and he would probably tell you the exact same thing. The widely held rule of thumb is most people can afford a loan that is up to three times their annual household income. And under ideal circumstances such as the ones I've listed at the outset should be able to afford a home that costs up to four times their annual salary.

This just in today: According to The Telegraph, the Financial Services Authority(FSA) will soon announce their decision on whether there should be a cap on home loans. While property experts call such a proposal suicide for the housing market, I'll be a contrarian by calling it a lifesaver for taxpayers living in the U.K. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/5002083/Proposed-ca p-on-mortgage-lending-by-FSA-is-suicidal-say-property-experts.html One would think that after the recent housing market meltdown that limits on home loans should be mandatory in order to stop the bleeding. But then again the experts would have us believe that this wouldn't be in the best interest of their bottom lines--hence what's good for them must be good for the rest of us.

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What this film tells you, is that in 2006, it wasn't possible to buy a house without making the mistakes you made.

So if you think it's fair to cripple the entire industry, telling people who need a house of their own to basically immigrate, then you have become part of the instrument of oppression used here. Sure, you aren't a very innocent victim, but by writing this article you are encouraging the behavior that nearly tore the planet to shreds.

Whether you want it or not, you have my sympathy sir. Nobody should be at this kind of risk, trying to house themselves and their loved ones.

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Whether you want it or not, you have my sympathy sir. Nobody should be at this kind of risk, trying to house themselves and their loved ones.


Welcome to the 21st Century sir, where greed reigns supreme.

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My parents bought their first home in 2006 and they haven't had a single problem. They also were able to refinance and get a better fixed rate (saving $400 a month). This took place a year ago.

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i think the initial post in this thread is one of the smartest comments i've ever read about the crisis, from an american.

i could never understand, not being an american nor living there myself, what was the drive behind all this buying and buying houses and taking loans, unpayable loans, when you could just RENT for a while until you are financially better. that's what we do here in argentina. the number of mortgages is minimal and most people rent until they have enough to buy a house. sometimes they never do, but that's life-


while i think wall st. people are creeps, i also thought, watching this movie, that the home owners were stupid, or making hella stupid decisions, and now whining like little girls over their own misdoings. what angered me a bit was the fact that the creeps in wall street and joe's stupidity in texas were making my morning bread pricier here.


american citizens, you should know that the whole world is pending behind your little decisions. hope that's not too much pressure on you.
i'm kidding.

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I haven't watched the movie in a while but IIRC they weren't dealing so much with banks making imprudent loans and sticking people with loads of debt. Instead they were looking at its impact on the financial system.

"Unless Alpert's covered in bacon grease, I don't think Hugo can track anything."

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