Do some people actually NOT Believe?
Do some people actually NOT Believe that we have been or are being contacted by aliens races?
WTF?
At one time almost everybody believed the world was flat and that Columbus was a fool. At another time people were branded as heretics by the church and jailed or tortured if they didn't think the earth was the center of the universe and that the sun revolves around the earth.
Today it's mostly fools who haven't read Sitchin and are arrogant enough to think nothing or no one in the universe could possibly be smarter than them that can not wrap their head around the possibility of aliens. They also think those 25000 year old cuneiform tablets that tell the whole story must be a hoax pulled off by prehistoric middle schoolers.
Sitchin was an idiot (fact) and every word that he said was pulled out of him idiotic bottom.fact.
About aliens, anyone with half a brain and with some basic education can understand how hard it is to space travel, and why aliens haven't visited earth...let alone claiming that aliens are visiting earth for crashing?, mutilating cows? and or conducting sex experiments? and repeatedly?
The one argument against your space travel thought is that humans are absolute infants in this area and if there is intelligent life out there the chance could be they have been around much longer and have intelligence that we cannot even comprehend. We went from barely getting a rudimentary plane off the ground to going to the moon and back in 70 years. Our brains tell us we cannot travel in space easily. That doesn't mean a more advanced entity couldn't.
shareI didnt assumed anything, you did and you only replied to half of my post.
shareby IceCharon » I didnt assumed anything, you did and you only replied to half of my post.
But you didn't even reply to half of his post.
Even discounting all of the incidents you are assuming are "aliens visiting earth for crashing", mutilating cows and or conducting sex experiments", there are an abundant number of incidents that you are not replying about...let alone the fact of not responding to our infancy with regards to what we are currently possible of achieving towards interstellar space travel.
People like you may be ready to idiotically assume for a fact that we of Earth have gone as far as we'll ever go technologically, but those with even half a brain would not. share
YOu have no idea what you are talking about.
First thing first, you have nothing to prove that aliens have visited earth, period, on the contrary we have tons of proofs and facts with people forging videos and pics, people having delusions, people misinterpreting things, people out of ignorance and stupidity assuming that what they saw is "aliens".
On the technology part, nothing can travel faster than light and not only that but the light-speed is the speed limit of the cosmos.
So please dont give me your BS about tech and achievements cause apart for having no idea what you are talking about, you have nothing to back up your idiotic alien "theories" and "conspiracies", get over it.
So that's your response, triple down on the fact that you went from "any indications" to "proof"?
Once again, there ARE things that could be considered indications of past alien visitation, and, you ARE STILL speaking from a reference point that humans already know all there is to know about interstellar space travel.
You may have already talked about all YOU are capable of learning or considering possible, but despite what you may think, you don't speak for everyone.
So that's your response, triple down on the fact that you went from "any indications" to "proof"?
Indications are zero and as I've already said, indications comes from forgery, mistakes and ignorance.
Once again, there ARE things that could be considered indications of past alien visitationNo there are not.
and, you ARE STILL speaking from a reference point that humans already know all there is to know about interstellar space travel.
No, I speak from reference to laws of physics.
You may have already talked about all YOU are capable of learning or considering possible, but despite what you may think, you don't speak for everyone.I never said that I speak for everyone. share
by IceCharon » Indications are zero and as I've already said, indications comes from forgery, mistakes and ignorance.
No there are not.
Indications that YOU are willing to accept as indications you mean.
by IceCharon » No, I speak from reference to laws of physics.
The laws of physics as you and the rest of humans currently understand them you mean.
by IceCharon » I never said that I speak for everyone.
Well if you're also going to start arguing semantics, why bother further...
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Indications that YOU are willing to accept as indications you mean.
If you consider indication the mutilated cows, then sorry but you have some sort of brain damage, and as I have said multiple times, show me what YOU consider indications.
The laws of physics as you and the rest of humans currently understand them you mean.We have nailed many laws of physics and in case that you dont know, the more the breakthroughs the more the space-traveling looks unlikely in the way that you mean it.
Yes some day we'll be able to travel in distant planets, but not in the way like you present that "aliens" do it, that they visit like we visit the grocery shop.
Well if you're also going to start arguing semantics, why bother further...Cause words have a meaning << isnt that a good enough reason? share
by IceCharon » If you consider indication the mutilated cows, then sorry but you have some sort of brain damage, and as I have said multiple times, show me what YOU consider indications.
YOU posed the "mutilated cows" scenario.
Trying to suggest that I ever said that was one of the "indications" I was talking about...and THEN using THAT premise to accuse me of having brain damage is simply you trying to dictate both sides of the discussion...and more importantly...trying to use the low-hanging-fruit tactic (generally employed in mainstream thought when it comes to this type of subject matter) of implying the person you're debating with is irrational/mentally-deficient. Basically, taking a cheap shot because you know you're backed up in this case by a mere safety in numbers. Feel safe now?
So sorry, but not going to play you're game, especially when those are the kinds of tactics you're going to try to use for implying all on your own what I actually believe.
You're implying beliefs...I'm talking possibilities.
So back to square one. You said NO indications. Period.
Which is simply not true.
by IceCharon » We have nailed many laws of physics and in case that you dont know, the more the breakthroughs the more the space-traveling looks unlikely in the way that you mean it. Yes some day we'll be able to travel in distant planets, but not in the way like you present that "aliens" do it, that they visit like we visit the grocery shop.
There you go again, making claims that I've made any claims as to how "aliens do it" and/or how routine it may be for any that are doing it.
A few examples of breakthroughs I've seen discussed lately would indicate that you're simply making up facts as you go at this point though.
Laser powered engines have been proposed lately by NASA as possibly being able to cut travel time from Earth to Mars to a matter of DAYS, and who's to say that the newfound breakthrough of the ability to detect gravitational won't progress to the point of being able to somehow utilize those same waves for propulsion?
And those two breakthroughs were found simply in recent YAHOO! articles...which makes me wonder why your knowledge of available breakthroughs seems so limited and how you feel justified in suggesting that it's mine that is limited.
Anyway, the fact that you chose to say only "many laws of physics" is simply you hedging your bets because you know what's been said about our "current" state of technology and what could be possible in the future is true.
We don't know everything, and that we includes you.
by IceCharon » Cause words have a meaning << isnt that a good enough reason?
Yes words do have meaning, but that doesn't address your attempted use of semantics here. share
I will reply here to both your posts.
As long as You are refusing to present anything and/or your believes/indications I am free to call it BS and that you have nothing, it is that simple.
I've asked you to tell me/show me you repeatedly refused by picking words and my attitude.
Well sorry but if you were sure about yourself and you weren't embarrassed, you would have showed me your so-called indications to shut me up.
Laser powered engines have been proposed lately by NASA as possibly being able to cut travel time from Earth to Mars to a matter of DAYS, and who's to say that the newfound breakthrough of the ability to detect gravitational won't progress to the point of being able to somehow utilize those same waves for propulsion?
Should I repeat my self that light speed is the speed limit of the cosmos?
Let me explain it to you,
Even if you travel with the speed of light and you turn on a flash light, the light of the flash light will NOT travel x2 the speed of light, it will still travel with the speed of light.
So... even if some day we find out a way to travel with the speed of light (that we wont) the closest star to us is 4-5 years away.... and mind you that the speed of light is roughly 300.000 kilometers per SECOND!
You can go around the equator 7.5 times in a single second... and still even with that truly mind-blowing speed we need 4+ years to travel to the closest "spot of light" in our galaxy.
People that believe that Aliens have either visited us in the past or are still visiting us really - really need to study some physics. share
by IceCharon » I will reply here to both your posts.
As long as You are refusing to present anything and/or your believes/indications I am free to call it BS and that you have nothing, it is that simple.
I've asked you to tell me/show me you repeatedly refused by picking words and my attitude.
Well sorry but if you were sure about yourself and you weren't embarrassed, you would have showed me your so-called indications to shut me up.
The reason I've continued to refuse to play your game is that you proved from the very start that you'd refuse to even consider any indications of things that go against your current beliefs....that attitude of yours hasn't helped your cause either though.
You started off by refusing to consider that humans haven't progressed technologically as far as they may be capable of, and in your latest response you refused to incorporate any possibilities presented by the latest two breakthroughs I referred to. That was just further proof that you're incapable and/or simply unwilling of considering anything but current, conventional, known theory that you personally believe to be possible.
If anyone should be embarrassed by an attitude that's been displayed, it should be you about yours and how close-minded it seems to be.
You're free to continue thinking of my responses as BS and "picking words" if you wish of course, but maybe you should also consider that sometimes being so sure of yourself prevents you from seeing that you'd be doing yourself a service if you just shut yourself up...so that's on you, not me. share
You just proved the points that I've made in my previous post even further.
I insist though that you and everyone like you should study some physics.
On the contrary, it was you who just proved, once again, that considering (or even acknowledging) things that don't conform to your current views is something you're apparently unwilling to do.
It's either that, of you're simply here trolling, both of which have could be viewed to have equal likelihoods at this point.
If you think that there is even a shred of evidence/indication or whatever you want to call, present it.
Do you have anything to present? no? no? Go home then and dont blamne other about it.
You turned up empty handed and you blame the attitude of others (me in this case) for you ignorance and lack of arguments.
I've already stated that I think there are at least indications many times in this thread, so for you to even suggest at this point that I don't think there are is another INDICATION that you simply hear what you want to hear, then proceed to draw your conclusions and form your arguments with that ignorance based bias.
And yet you still claim to not understand why I would choose not to play such a rigged game?
Again. Trollish.
facepalm... and as I've said many time already >> If there were any "indications" you wouldnt mind presenting them, now would you? would you? but AGAIN you come up with nothing, you call me a troll cause YOU came with NOTHING, and on the top of that you blame me for ignorance? LOL
Have it your way man, you are ashamed of your BS beliefs I get that, at least have the balls to admit it and/or to NOT blame others about it.
by IceCharon » facepalm... and as I've said many time already >> If there were any "indications" you wouldnt mind presenting them, now would you? would you? but AGAIN you come up with nothing, you call me a troll cause YOU came with NOTHING, and on the top of that you blame me for ignorance? LOL
Have it your way man, you are ashamed of your BS beliefs I get that, at least have the balls to admit it and/or to NOT blame others about it.
Speaking of facepalms...
...not only are you still proving yourself incapable of following this conversation, it seems it's STILL not occurred to you that you began posting your opinion that there are no "indications" of the kind you're requesting on THIS message board for THE TELEVISION SHOW that it's for...a show that has been proposing said possible INDICATIONS from around the world in various forms for YEARS.
You've of course been perfectly entitled to categorically dismiss all those INDICATIONS as being possible valid INDICATIONS, but for you to at this point persist in your belief (and apparent purposeful ignorance) that there are NO INDICATIONS WHATSOEVER...blame others for questioning that stance...and go so far as to suggest you know what it is that I believe when it's obvious that you don't are the only things anyone here should be ashamed of.
But yeah, have it your way "man"...
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What "indications" again? You are accusing me that I do not accept the indications that you have never presented? lol man thats a good one.
shareby IceCharon » What "indications" again? You are accusing me that I do not accept the indications that you have never presented? lol man thats a good one.
Thanks again for proving yourself unable to follow what I've been saying in this conversation.
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Yeah of course blame me for your incompetence and your lack of balls. Cheeriooo
shareby IceCharon » Yeah of course blame me for your incompetence and your lack of balls. Cheeriooo
I wasn't blaming you for your close-mindedness and apparent inability to think for yourself...I was just making an observation about those things.
So does Cheeriooo mean you're actually going to stop regurgitating for awhile and actually start doing some thinking?
We live in hope... share
Cheerio means that I have no interest talking anymore with a balless person.
shareby IceCharon » Cheerio means that I have no interest talking anymore with a balless person.
Speaking of ball-less, I noticed you've STILL not acknowledged that you posted your request for "indications" on the message board of a television show that has been proposing the kinds of INDICATIONS you've been talking about all along.
It's obviously easy to see why you wouldn't have wanted to acknowledge that though, especially at this point.
Ball-less indeed. share
Clearly something is wrong with you for sure thats why you believe in these BS.
Here is the facts and you can re-re-reread the posts.
I didnt requested anything, I said that this show and the people that that believe in these BS are clearly stupid and/or completely uneducated...and then you poped up and YOU claimed that there are some indications and when I asked from YOU to present them, YOU never did, and you blamed me and my attitude for not presenting them... and after many posts debunking you and proving that you have no balls at all... now you flipped again and you claim that these idiotic show is proposing indications... and that I posted a request for indications? wtf? you high?
About the show,
Well sorry but NO! This dumb show has never showed any indications whatsoever about aliens etc etc, all that they have done is to pull things out of their bottom, misinterpret things, twist things around and present them as they see fit, misinform and completely ignoring/not presenting the true scientific hard facts, the scientist and the science...so NO, no indications there just plain BS.
So yeah for once more you proved that you have no idea what you are talking about nad that you cant even follow your own posts.
Now go grow some balls and brains and when you do we can talk again.
by IceCharon » Clearly something is wrong with you for sure thats why you believe in these BS.
Here is the facts and you can re-re-reread the posts.
I didnt requested anything, I said that this show and the people that that believe in these BS are clearly stupid and/or completely uneducated...and then you poped up and YOU claimed that there are some indications and when I asked from YOU to present them, YOU never did, and you blamed me and my attitude for not presenting them... and after many posts debunking you and proving that you have no balls at all... now you flipped again and you claim that these idiotic show is proposing indications... and that I posted a request for indications? wtf? you high?
About the show,
Well sorry but NO! This dumb show has never showed any indications whatsoever about aliens etc etc, all that they have done is to pull things out of their bottom, misinterpret things, twist things around and present them as they see fit, misinform and completely ignoring/not presenting the true scientific hard facts, the scientist and the science...so NO, no indications there just plain BS.
So yeah for once more you proved that you have no idea what you are talking about nad that you cant even follow your own posts.
Now go grow some balls and brains and when you do we can talk again.
And a convenient (for you - what a surprise) review of what those facts are.
You cherry-picked a few incidents to TOTALLY DISCOUNT the possibility that there are any indications of aliens ever visiting this planet.
If you want to resort to mincing words about me changing "incidents" to "indications"...which are basically the same thing (evidence) with regards to what you are trying to prove, then it's only you who has provided an INDICATION that you have no idea what you're talking about. share
Just for reference, nobody believed the world was flat or that Columbus was a fool. Everyone back then pretty much knew the world was round. In fact, the king and queen of Spain were afraid that Columbus simply could not make the journey going the long away around due to supply limitations and journey time.
The idea that older societies thought the world was flat is a modern invention from the 1900's, partly because of the charts and maps that depicted ships sailing off the edge of the world. Those, however, were simply visual imagery indicating a lack of knowledge about what laid beyond the boundary of the map and not an indication that people thought the world was flat. It's essentially modern intellectual snobbery, whereby we look back and say that people then were so stupid and we are so much smarter.