I wonder why is that Nate agreed to help out with the Kimodo dragon situation when he banished him from Terra Nova for killing Foster over gambling debts. I guess he felt that he deserved a 2nd chance and probably felt bad over banishing him..
shareHe needed the guy to be a spy for him, he was USING him, and he had the guy by the balls since survival after banishment is almost impossible its basically a death sentence. It was very morally questionable. Hell he COULD have used the guy then gone back on his word but he was too much of a man of honor for that so when the guy completed his mission he kept his word and let him back that being said how the hell could this guy get any employment in Terra Nova? I would assume he still has a criminal record of FIRST DEGREE MURDER?? Who the hell would trust him? His life will still totally suck.
shareNote: I'll leave this here, I don't like deleting mistakes, but as pointed out by creatorof2002 this post is total nonsense.
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I would assume he still has a criminal record of FIRST DEGREE MURDER?? Who the hell would trust him? His life will still totally suck.
Was one of us not watching the show carefully enough? He owed money to the guy he killed and hoped that if he got the guy killed the guy would not come to him demanding the money...
shareWas one of us not watching the show carefully enough? He owed money to the guy he killed and hoped that if he got the guy killed the guy would not come to him demanding the money...
This is one of several items that struck me as a glaring plot-hole in this series. It was a way for the writers to get Curran where they needed him to be, but it wasn't anywhere nearly as well thought out as it had to be.
shareThis is one of several items that struck me as a glaring plot-hole in this series. It was a way for the writers to get Curran where they needed him to be, but it wasn't anywhere nearly as well thought out as it had to be.
Well, I just watched the entire series in a sitting this Sunday and I may be a bit glssy-eyed and punchy from the ordeal, so if *I* got it wrong I apologize in advance.
shareOrdeal must be right, I wouldn't wish that on anybody.
Just before they banish Curran, Taylor knocks him down, pulls the ledger from Curran's jacket and says "Why did you steal this from the bar, huh? Except to hide the fact that you owed Foster money.", and then he hits him with it.
But don't think that all the plotholes you spotted are things you've misunderstood, this series has more than it's fair share (e.g. A big red emergency release switch outside The Eye next to the security access panel).
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The biggest one I mentioned in another thread: Why did the Shannons have a third child? The answer of course is to get the story started, but given who they were, it makes no sense whatsoever that they would have done such a thing. These are supposedly intelligent people who thought they could hide the existence of illegal offspring in Chicago! It short circuited my suspension of disbelief really early in the series and I kept hoping a reasonable explanation would emerge, but none ever did.
shareAh, that was you. Best not to get me started on Zoe or an extended rant may follow, that whole thing (locking a child away from the world, the kind of future the show's 'heroes' were setting her up for, etc.) makes me genuinely angry.
shareWell, best not get too exercised about it. It was just a shoddy plot device that never got any support. We were clearly never intended to question it.
shareWell, best not get too exercised about it. It was just a shoddy plot device that never got any support. We were clearly never intended to question it.
I was thinking about how I would rewrite things. An obvious plug for the Zoe plothole would be to make the third pregnancy an accident and the Shannons militantly pro-life. 2149 is a bit far in the future for it to be still a burning issue, but I could imagine that for some people it might continue to loom largely. That way you could explain why they would have gone through what they did to have her. It could have also led to interesting plot points down the line too. Now that I think of it, it's so obvious that they must have thought of it too but decided against it.
shareIf you're interested you can find the Original Pilot script here http://www.simplyscripts.com/tv.html, there's a link in the second box down. I've only skimmed it very quickly, I know that it starts at the portal and that Zoe (called Clementine) appears from a backpack at the end of the first act.
Maybe I should read it for interest's sake, even if the interest is only to see what a multi-million dollar winning pilot script looks like. It possibly doesn't get into the whys and wherefores of Clementine's existence, they probably wanted to have that as one of the mysteries.
The series was heavily re-worked before transmission, initially there were going to be flashbacks (probably to all the dystopian nonsense) but everything became more linear in the re-edit, possibly another reason why all that stuff in the beginning (like Jim's ridiculously easy and brushed over escape from prison) doesn't hang together well, they just took what they had and stuck it together.
I will read that because I have become interested in how the series went together.
I have always wanted to write one of those movies on the SciFi channel. They are all idiotic although some have been massively entertaining. I figure if something like "Ice Spiders" can get green-lit, then it can't be that hard. I think I need to visit LA and see if I can get a pitch meeting with those guys.
You don't need Hollywood to make a rough picture, every local area has it's fair share of wannabe actors and directors looking for a script to shoot. The money's not as good, or even there at all, but it's an option. Or, to paraphrase Werner Herzog (or maybe it was someone else) "if you want to make a movie just pick up a camera and start shooting".
But don't be under the impression that I'm fully aware of what I'm talking about, I just know that a lot of people do it, 'Monsters' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1470827, being the obvious success story. But there are many other small time directors, for example Pat Higgins http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1664081/, who are just plugging away making low budget sci-fi/horror for the DVD market.
I've done some stuff like that. It just looks like it would be fun to write a script for one of those SciFi channel crap fests.
sharePerhaps, although I'd imagine it would be more fun to work independantly like the other guys I mentioned (in the addition I made), writing bad scripts for big business is probably quite an unsatisfying way to make living, although I'm sure the money is pretty good, that would certainly take the edge off.
shareThat it would. I work a day job and sell a story 3-4 times a year. Selling a couple of easy to write monster of the week epics would pay all the bills and leave plenty of time to finally write the great American novel.
shareWell obviously Taylor was using him but he was also giving him a chance at redemption. A way to earn back his place in society. Terra Nova was supposed to be a second chance for the human race. So giving this guy who had made a mistake a way to redeem himself to his society was a microcosm of that.
I kind of doubt in a society as tiny as Terra Nova there's anything as formal or complicated as a criminal record. That's an affectation of our modern complicated society. Everyone knows what Curran did.
As for not trusting him. There's a lot of room for debate there. It's not like Curran was a career criminal or a serial killer. He's someone who got into a situation he couldn't handle and made a really stupid decision in an attempt to solve it. Presumably it's something he's not going to do again.
As a soldier he was trained to use deadly force to solve problems. One can make convincing argument that the whole 'when all you have is a hammer every problem starts looking like a nail' paradigm came into play in the process of making his bad decision. It's up to his society to determine if they feel he's learned his lesson and is worthy of being deemed rehabilitated. The man who was killed wasn't exactly a great guy. He was having an affair with someone else's wife. I'm sure there's many who will sympathize with him.
In the end I suspect most people are likely to go along with Commander Taylor's decision to declare him rehabilitated especially given the services he rendered to the community by spying on the Sixers and rescuing Skye's mother.
As for employment. That's a non issue. There's always going to be something beneficial for him to do in a society as small as Terra Nova. That he once killed someone is not relevant.
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"He needed the guy to be a spy for him, he was USING him, and he had the guy by the balls since survival after banishment is almost impossible its basically a death sentence. It was very morally questionable. Hell he COULD have used the guy then gone back on his word but he was too much of a man of honor for that so when the guy completed his mission he kept his word and let him back that being said how the hell could this guy get any employment in Terra Nova? I would assume he still has a criminal record of FIRST DEGREE MURDER?? Who the hell would trust him? His life will still totally suck."