JT's 'stutter'


First, I want to say that I really liked this movie, but I feel compelled to complain a bit about the depiction of JT's "stutter" this film (I have no idea if there's been a previous post about this as I only saw FWB last night).

Personally I felt it was unecessary to give him a stutter. Apparently is was a nervous childhood tic, Annie says that 'he HAD a stutter' which comes back brielfly during the helicopter rescue scene for about three or four lines and then JT is fluent for the rest, without a hint of a problem.

As someone with a stutter, I know that it just doesn't'go away'. No matter how advanced you are with technique, or how much hard work you put in, it's with you for life.

I don't mind that JT is given a stutter for extra sympathy, my problem is - aside from the helicopter rescue scene - there is not a trace of a stutter (or a stutterer's mannerisms) from JT. No minor blocks, no small hesitations while he tries to find the right word to say, no awkwardly rearranging sentences so he's doesn't stutter, he's perfectly fluent, even at work.

If you're going to put a stuttering character in a movie, at least attempt to make it a little bit realistic, that's all I'm saying. Just don't have it in there as a token gesture then never mention it again. His poor math skills (which was quite funny) got more attention.

Don't get me wrong, I did like this movie (I usually hate rom-coms) but I felt strongly enough about this one aspect of it to say something about it. I know it's only a movie, but still.

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cheers bro, I hate being 'that guy' who whinges about minor things in otherwise perfectly good movies, but this was different. I do like Timberlake as an actor though (not a big fan of his music)

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Bahahahahahahaha @ camcom92. Best. Reply. Ever.

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I know right it's so original I don't know how he came up with it.

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Agreed - it wasn't realistically portrayed.

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the 'problems with maths' gag was pretty funny though. Not only did it make you feel sorry for him, but it's a problem just about anyone can relate to. I know that I hated maths when I was at school.

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I felt bad for Dylan when he had the stutter going on.

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so did I. It kinda makes sense that it only appeared when he was stressed or nervous.

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I agree with you hardtoplease21, I have a lot of time for Timberlake. Yes, he's a tall pretty boy who dates girls most mortals wouldn't have a hope in hell with, but he seems to have a good sense of humour. I remember seeing him in the Mike Myers comedy 'The Love Guru' (or 'Austin Powers goes to India') and he played some French lathario. His character was entirely based around a cock joke, but he put on a bad French accent and got into the spirit of it. Even if he is a pretty boy, you have to respect his wilingness to make fun of himself. Same goes for guys like George Clooney, Brad Pitt and Matt Damon. They're all absurdly good-looking and successful, but don't take themselves too seriously.

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re-reading these posts, I may have been a little harsh. There are some people out there with minor stutters where it can crop up in stressful situations. As JT's character has his stutter treated early, its logical that he 'grew out out it' (which can happen as well), though the vast majority of stutterers have it for life. I still feel it was included for a bit of extra sympathy though and could have been left out, I can get a bit defensive about this stuff. Expanding on his problems with maths would have been funnier.

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Maths?

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Not really maths.

Just a few simple sums, really.

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I have a quibble with your point. Not trying to be a bitch but I don't think you can speak for every stutterer, given different experiences and different degrees of original problem. I've never been a stutterer but I've been the girlfriend of one, been best friends with another. One always stuttered and sometimes used it clearly to his advantage, the other never stuttered but sometimes had tells, the main one being sometimes he would take 'preparation' pauses before speaking at all, but he'd learned how to act his way through to give people the idea it was a pregnant confident pause, with intense eyes and crap. Most people when they'd only known him a few months they thought it was a bit of a douchy attention seeking habit, contemplating the conversation. It was only after years of seeing the pattern that friends could tell when he was trying to get himself ready.

My point being I don't think you can speak for everyone. Niether can I, its too varied. Some people do have tells they've shaped into supposedly normal behaviour, some people develop problems due to a specifically stressful time and its more to do with that time, and its never shown in the film how bad the problem was in the beginning. I understand that you know a lot about this, and I agree that most likely the portrayal wasn't well thought out; probably they decided to include it just for one mention and one scene and nobody thought to check whether that was going to seem authentic to any knowledgable viewers.. I have my own pet peeve on that front. But just because they made assumptions that the bare minimum worked that doesn't mean there isn't someone in the world who would only revert to the stutter in phobic/panicky life or death driven situations that they probably manage to avoid practically all the time.

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good point hels-dunleavy. I of all people should know that stuttering can affect people in different situations, and everyone's stutter has varying levels of severeness or only stutter in certain situations.
I remember seeing the movie 'Iris' a few years back and Jim Broadbent's character had a stutter, which got really bad when under stress. I remember it really showed itself when he was struggling to care for his ailing wife (even though 'Iris' was a serious drama as opposed to light-hearted comedy like FWB). I can relate to the preperation pause you mentioned, I do the same thing.

I guess the point I was making that, aside from that one scene, there was no sign at all that JT's character was a stutterer, although some stutterers can learn to 'hide' it to a degree, and as his stutter was treated early, perhaps JT grew out it to an extent. I guess for a movie like this, accuracy isn't a huge high point. I guess I can be a bit over-sensitive to this kind of stuff, having lived with it all my life.

Personally I get by fairly well day-to-day, but there are certain siutations where I struggle. Every stutterer has their own trigger points I guess and know how to cope with them.

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I totally relate to the simplified reference, my pet peeve is a medical thing I never see done with any sense of research at all. Talk to a lot of writers and they'll say research is one of the most important parts and other writers shouldn't skimp on it but the reality is a lot of the time its a simple equation of: number of people likely to see movie + number of those people likely to notice we didn't research X at all = extent to which we have to check what we say about X. It can be very vexing when the research opportunity is actually easy to find, easy to access and then easy to get supporting research from to the extent even a typing monkey could logically figure it out [like stuttering, its not like there aren't support networks that could have consulted], but a lot of the time with something specialist and only included for a few seconds whats the point if only a hundred thousand out of a 100M people globally are gonna notice they just made it up. I'd hazard a guess someone involved in the script vaguely knows someone casually who claimed once he had a stutter and in that writers opinion he doesn't seem to have much of a problem, so they'll just show that in the movie and it'll be fine.

Writers are all about brevity, you get writing points for not wasting time, referencing character development in quick succinct details or in the background of scenes about other narrative facts, making it all flow naturally with lots of lovely dimensions expositioned in casual, natural ways. In a writing sense, they'd be patting themselves on the back for letting the audience know this guy used to be super sensitive and vulnerable but also strong enough to work through his problems when he was young and come out the other side unrecognisable, successful, charming but apparently not a genuine type A personality, and oh look here's us calling back that stutter thing for a comedic moment. They'd honestly be thinking this is so qualitative but also efficient, the minus points for not really researching wouldn't occur to most. In the case of this film it might even have been the director or Timberlake himself since apparently the director and leads workshopped, added to and edited the story for about a month before filming. Or worse, the cliche happened, they had more references to it, made it consistent in the story but a dreaded exec got it taken out :p

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well said hels-dunleavy, I never looked at it this way, a very well put-together argument. I guess as FWB is a run-of-the-mill rom com, the people behind the film the average Joe seeing the film isn't going to care too much about accuracy, as pretty much everyone knows what's going to happen in these types of flims anyway. If they had taken the same liberties with 'The King's Speech', they would have been torn asunder by the critics, as (which I know from personal experience) it was a big event in the stuttering community.

I'd be curious to know if there were any deleted scenes in FWB which gave more screen time to JT's stutter. I guess another factor was an aesthetic one: I doubt many people wanted to see JT exhibit the same facial tics that Colin Firth did so well in TKS, which goes against his 'pretty boy' image.

In terms of stuttering networks, there are a lot. Where I'm from, Australia, each state has their own support branch called Speak Easy, which is all tied together via the Australian Speak Easy Association. I'm heavily involved in the Queensland branch of Speak Easy as - to a lesser extent - the ASEA. While each state does it differently, essentially Speak Easy is made up of weekly meeting where you practice the smooth speech (or McGuire) technique with fellow members. We have national and international conferences every couple of years, with the National one in Melbourne this weekend, though I won't be going due to commitments at home.

There's a lot of interesting data about stuttering research. I was reading an article the other day which said that a big cause of stuttering is a disruption in the left hemisphere of the brain, which partly explained why stutterers can sing perfectly fluently (I think singing is controlled by the right side), it helps that the techinques of singing are closely aligned to the breathing techniques for smooth speech, so they go hand-in-hand.

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Uncanny you mention The King's Speech... they actually did do that in another area; they were actually Nazi sympathisers for a whole chunk of time, there are clear records [news releases and such] of the king blocking travels of Jews trying to escape invaded countries which at the time were viewed as questionable but possibly reasonable political negotiations in difficult circumstances, its only with 20/20 hindsight the king's decisions seem totally infathomable. His brother and that charming mistress on the other hand were crazy fans of the Nazis, truly mind bogglingly so. In the case of the King's Speech the writer actually wrote all that stuff in to try to cover a lot more of the complicated situation but pressure was put on him to take it out and slimline the narrative so it was all upbeat and relatable. Personally I think the film would have been much better if it had included these areas and had tried to comment about the comparative self improvement work being done vs the inability to see the error of other decisions due to a natural lack of overview and a miscalculation of future political morality, but we British do like to whitewash our history. Historical films in general are imo the most laughable genre relating to this issue. Supposedly the whole point of making them is to tell a story unrefutably important because actual people did and said everything, so much better than a fictional story thats been researched based on statistical likelihood and past precedence right? Yet so many of them just take out large chunks of nuanced detail because audiences won't like it or it won't hit all the most obvious good vs evil markers.

I love your point about the entrenched social networks. A lot of the time its experience isn't it? To someone who has had a strong life experience and then discovers a whole world with a whole history they know is invisible unless you find it, its obvious. Many screenwriters [this might sound arrogant but its my opinion] haven't had enough life experience [or at least the sort of life experiences that open your eyes and give that epiphany moment] to see that every small thing they add to a script probably has a whole world of rich activity in an internal world they can access, so they add something superficially and don't think to find that world and find out all the practical details you have to live through. Me and my partner are guilty of it - several years ago we were writing a satire that contained a main character with tourettes. I had to spend years arguing that he couldn't even start writing one line without actually researching the community, respecting the innumerable different types of people and experiences, their outlook, practicalities etc. My pet peeve is organ failure/transplant. I had kidney failure, was on dialysis, got transplanted. Never once have I seen anything that wasn't a massive insult. Either they boil it down to a one dimensional subplot or they mount a thriller about stealing organs out of people who seem brain dead but might not be to sell on the black market, which infuriates me because it isn't just paranoia to say that it heavily contributes to a public fear of being an organ donor. Either way its always misleading. But no doubt we'll ironically make the mistake sometime in the future about something that we just slot into a script and turn out to be massive hypocrites, everyone has something they think is so simple and obvious they don't really think about how much they don't know about it :p And some character details seem so boring you don't even want to check it out, you're gonna be bored if you do!

At least, as you said ^^^ FWB is just trying to be a rom com. Most people don't go into watching a rom com thinking everything will mean something to reality or making a political statement or anything like that... at least I hope not :/ So I'd still rewatch it and suggest it to a friend looking for a popcorn movie. I was thinking the same thing regarding deleted scenes, I'll probably check out the DVD stuff to see if they've got lots of background footage, I'd be interested to know how much the script was changed by the key actors and director. I mean, I really liked the film [which is surprising in itself cos I'm not really a rom com sorta girl], I thought the characters were well rounded and no one made a really dick move or a pathetic, vulnerable move so popular in the genre either. Supposedly the director spent the month with MK and JT going through the script and letting 'each fight their corner' about what they thought their character would do and what would be important. I like the sound of that, might be enlightening.

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As much as I love The King's Speech, if you look at the plot from a dispassionate POV, it's just a variation on the typical 'protagonist overcomes seemingly insurmountable obstacles' plot of almost every movie. I studied screewriting at uni a couple of yesrs back and most films followed a dependable three-act structure, which TKS adheres to. I watching the doco 'The Real King's Speech' last year and the archival footage shows the real man's stammer was actually fairly mild. While Colin Firth did an incredible job as Bertie, hi stammer was dramatised for the purposes of the movie. Just about every historical drama (and even the spate of musical biopics of the last few years) conveniently leave out facts for the sake of the story they want to tell, either because they're seen as 'boring' or don't fit into the vision of the film. I guess when you try to cut a person's life into a two hour movie, there's goig to be casualties or a bending of the truth.

I did enjoy FWB. I normally hate rom-coms, but I like this because, while it was still predictable, it wasn't as nasueatingly by-the-numbers as most rom-coms, plus I quite like Timberake and Kunis. I watched the delteed scenes, and, as far as I know, there wasn't any extra backstory on JT's stutter. it's the kind of film where you go in with a pre-conceived notion of what to expect, and the success or failure of the film depends on how it satisfies this notion. For instance, I saw Transformers 3 when it came out in the cinemas. Having seen the previous two (and the second one was awful!) I knew exaclty what to expect. While the film didn't really do anything too different, I stiil enjoyed it for what it was. It wasn't the greatest meovie I've ever seen, but it was still entertaining.

Another example is the sixties Batman TV series. I watched a couple of episodes on the weekend and its the kind of show where if you sat down and analysed it, you could drive trucks through the plot holes, awful dialouge and contrivances. But if you accept it for what it is: a family-friendly, campy, TV serial, it's kind of enjoyable in a ridiculous way. Plus Adam West is fantastic.

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For what it's worth I used to stutter nearly that badly as a kid when stressed, but it stopped when I was about 18 for some reason. In fact, I teach and do talks in front of lots of people, so it's not impossible. I don't do what his character did to that extent but it does very occasionally come out under stress still.

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Good to hear octamed, you're one of the lucky ones :-). The majority of stutterers I know have had their stutter all their lives. I even know a couple of guys in their sixties and seventies who still have a noticeable stutter. There are some, like yourself, who stutter at an early age and 'grow out of it' and have few problems or telltale signs from then on.

Even though I'll always have a stutter, a lot of my friends have said they didn't notice it! Personally I'm at the point where my stutter doesn't affect me with work and socially, but I'm still very concious of it and how I sound to other people.

From my experience, that's the best case scenario for most stutters - they reach a point where they can control it and get on with their lives, but it'll always be there and there'll be trigger situations where it comes back (when they're stressed, nervous, in an unfamilar environment etc). The key is to recognise those moments and have the skills and experience to overcome those situations that get you in trouble.

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I'm in agreement with the OP. I think it was a poorly executed example of a stutterer, which shows either lack of research or lack or concern. I'm glad there are people out there like Octamed, but they are far and few between. They are the minority, not the majority. I see it as a poor excuse for a plot device.

To each their own...opinion

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Hi Donatien,

First of all, congratulations on maintaining a very interesting thread, with lots of very thought-provoking ideas being shared.

I relate 100% to everything you've said, and I think I'm quite in the same category as you when it comes to stuttering. I'm in my mid-40's today and I think that, with age comes a bit of confidence and the social occasions where I managed not to stutter at all, occurred more frequently. Still, there are the odd occasions where the trigger you've mentioned, comes into play, and I can hardly express myself without sounding like a total retard. It's the worst embarrassment I have to endure from time to time, and I always want to head into the hills when that happens.

So, in the movie, the moment Dylan's sister Annie mentioned his childhood stutter, and knowing screenplays quite well (like you, I studied Drama & Film before), I knew it was setting us audience members up for a stutter-scene to come.

And boy, was I disappointed with what the film delivered. I could hear Timberlake is not a natural stutterer, but that's alright, it was still a decent effort for him as an actor. It just seemed a trifle irrelevant and a bit of a throwaway plot device. Sure, the idea was to portray Dylan as a real guy with real-life problems like the rest of us, and it's also good to see that stuttering is treated with some respect on screen. I appreciate Hollywood portraying that it happens to anyone - also the nice, smart, good-looking ones. I just think the producers could have put it to better and more effective use, than they did.

So, my opinion on this mirror yours: it's a decent movie overall, exceeding my expectations. But, while it's a very minor quibble, the movie would have been better off without the stutter-element. His father's Alzheimers and his hilariously poor grasp of basic maths, were enough to sell the character as a regular guy with regular baggage/problems.



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the two things I hated about his stutter was

1. Its didn't really bring any relevance to any scene or the storyline. They really just randomly threw that in there too for some reason

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2. I know Justin Timberlake has never claimed to be the worlds best actor and will never be winning any Oscars anytime soon but jesus he could have put the slightest bit of attempt into his 'acting' when it came to the stuttering part. Hes so average throughout the whole movie but so what, its just one of those movies but he was at his absolute worst during the stutter scene. He wasn't even trying! 'bu... b-b-b-...bbut i...i... ccc..c.cant'




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