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Wasn't the Real Origin Point... (Spoiler Alert)

posted 11 years ago by doctawho5
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As the movie progresses it becomes clear that the people in the cabin are four generations of a family. Once we come to terms with that then we have to ask why they are there. They are there to change the course of history by changing the past, in this case stopping Hans (the oldest member) from dying. This is where things break down a bit because the person standing outside the safe is the blonde. If things are about getting her life on track then the timeline to alter is the one her mother dies in. That would mean calling an ambulance for her or stopping her husband from fighting in the war so the blonde does not grow up with spiteful grandparents and eventually run off with a Clyde to her Bonnie.

In the movie as is, stopping Hans from dying should result in the blonde and the guy never being born. I'm not 100% sure but I can't imagine tons of ex-Nazi soldiers were allowed to immigrate to the US after the war. Hans being alive means that Sam's mother probably never remarried, which is the event that went on to shape her meeting her husband. Yes she could have met him some other way but it is highly unlikely that Hans and her mother would have immigrated to the US to the same town as the original timeline and things would have played out the same way.

I liked the move but really wish some more thought would have gone into the shaping of the new timeline or at least more explanation would have occurred if I'm just not understanding things.

[–] Scooby_Snack 10 years ago

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In the movie as is, stopping Hans from dying should result in the blonde and the guy never being born. I'm not 100% sure but I can't imagine tons of ex-Nazi soldiers were allowed to immigrate to the US after the war. Hans being alive means that Sam's mother probably never remarried, which is the event that went on to shape her meeting her husband.

It has been speculated and debated that the CIA aided some former Nazi's in immigration. When Tom called Hans a Nazi, Hans angrily responded that he was a soldier, not a Nazi.

The rest of my post contains spoilers (if anyone who hasn't seen the movie is reading this).

It was suggested by Tom that if Hans had lived, Samantha's mother wouldn't have remarried and might have been there when Samantha went into labor with Jody, and Samantha might have lived, which would have meant Jody wouldn't have been sent to live with her abusive paternal grandparents and so might have lived to raise Tom. The problem this change in events apparently caused, however, was that Jody didn't give birth to Tom because she never met his father (although she does get a glimpse of him at the end of the movie when he is about to rob the gas station with some other girl).

I have seen the eternal Footman hold my coat, and snicker.

[–] smakar 10 years ago

First of all, I just finished watching this movie and I REALLY enjoyed it!

As someone else mentioned, Hans reacted angrily when he was called a Nazi, and responded that he was a "soldier". Speaking from my own experience - my parents immigrated to the U.S. from Yugoslavia after WWII, and they had friends here who also immigrated after that war. Two of their friends had immigrated to Germany from Russia, and were drafted into the German army during the war. One of them was actually awarded the Iron Cross, but because so many people who did not know better thought anyone in the German army was a Nazi, he rarely told anyone about it.

The point I'm trying to make is there was a big difference between the German army and the Nazi party - there was often no love lost between the two - and many Germans who were in the army immigrated elsewhere after WWII.

[–] whitespirit26 10 years ago

This whole dratted thing is about changing the past? Damnation, and I was just hoping I'd enjoy it!

[–] denise1234 9 years ago

smakar^

Right.

There were lots of Germans & folks occupied by the Germans (such as a relative of mine who was French) who were not Nazis, soldiers included.

"Much communication in a motion, without conversation or a notion"

[–] VBarkley 9 years ago

Correct. Only about 10% of Germans were members of the Nazi Party.

[–] melinda2001 9 years ago

Lots of Nazi members were just pretending out of expediency. It's easy to fault them when you've not been in their situation. That's not to say they didn't have conflicting emotions. It's just a messy reality and they carry a collective guilt about it.

Of course the real point of the movie should have been about killing Hitler, right? That would have fixed more than a few people's lives. Isn't that the first thing every time traveler does? I mean they were right there and all. I'm just saying.

[–] cvcv1 8 years ago

The problem this change in events apparently caused, however, was that Jody didn't give birth to Tom because she never met his father

That's absurd. Jody in the altered timeline (the Jody that is not a criminal) meets someone else and gives birth to Tom.

[–] melinda2001 8 years ago

Genetically different fathers can't have genetically identical children, but I'm not the person you're quoting. They're off in a different timeline.

[–] cvcv1 8 years ago

Wow, thanks for the genetics lesson. How intelligent of you. I didn't say they could. If the timeline had not been altered, Tom would never have been born.