its just that O wished that they had died instead of wished they all got away and screwed some more... bizarre. The first ending should have been the everything works out ending, then reality. Not a sad ending and then a less sad ending. I thought it strange. The rest of the movie rocked.
shareIn hers eyes dieting together would've been better than living separately. People are assuming that they got away and then got back together. I didn't assume that. To me the second ending was in fact more realistic, except for the fact that the guys would've done more time even if they were deemed informants.
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I said its weird she would rather die together than live together... in her head, see what I mean?
shareIt was a mess, man, that ending. Stone really wanted to show the true ending of the book with the three dying together, some by suicide, but apparently he didn't have the (forgive me, lord) STONES to follow through. So we end up with an ending that has LADO LIVING and CONTINUING his profession, Dennis LIVING and making out like a superstar, Elana LIVING and doing hard time, and the rest of the Savages living on a beach somewhere in Indo, when they all should have died together, arm in arm, like beautiful, beautiful savages. Thanks, Oliver, for really missing the point of the story and twisting, contorting a new story from the source material so you could give us another misstep in your faltering career. I've seen W twice, and I curse you that you missed a rare opportunity to really immortalize what that man deserved. Nobody else will make a movie on him for 15 to 20 years because of you and your limp-dick effort. And for Alexander, you can truly just go #### yourself. #whocaresanymorejustliketimburton
shareI have to concur with a lot of what Glacier said. The ending works much better if you just click next chapter after the first ending ends. Stone has gotten senile and wanted to include a happy ending for those that need a happy ending, which apparently includes himself.
However, I loved Alexander The Final cut. Great film.
I personally hated the first ending. It's exactly the contrived crap that directors and writers should get away from. Come on,, die together spinning each other after a desperate gun fight. I'm tired of stuff like that. In real life the second ending is more probable.
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"In real life the second ending is more probable."
In real life anyone from a drug cartel would be ashamed of only thinking about hurting somebody they're dealing with.
But it's true there's is not often, and surely not enough happy endings coming from Hollywood since a long time.
Agree that the first ending is just stupid.
After O is in the jeep with Ben and Chon, there's no explanation why they shouldn't just drive away when Lado shoots Elena. Instead, they put themselves in the line of fire...why? And after Ben puts three bullets into Lado's back (after he had already been shot at least twice), he turns around and shoots Ben???
Just stupid stuff.
Well it is a fantasy.
shareYou, as well as many people on this board, need to realize that Stone always changes his source material to make many of his films, this included, closer to a dark fairy tale than reality. I love Tarantino's NBK script, I also love Stone's version, and the same goes for this. Give the guy a break. And, personally, I loved the ending. As soon as "Do Ya" by ELO started playing I busted out laughing in the middle of the theater because I knew some stupid *beep* was about to happen. You have to sort of expect these things from Stone.
shareHoly cow, glacier nailed it.
shareSince Stone is another corporate sell-out from Hollywood, he's, of course, going to take the..."hollywood" way out instead of the actual ending. Pity...
"When Gotham is ashes, you have my permission to die"-Bane
Um people, the first ending was ridiculously bad. It ruins the entire movie, they might as well have just all died in the beginning of the and saved us from having gone through the entire movie waiting to see how they make it out. Regardless of the fact that they all died, it was so stupid. One guy is about to die and then Blake says she doesn't want to go on and then he pops her with the drug, I mean are you serious? That is what you'd see in a comic taking the piss of Romeo and Juliet. And you guys are actually complaining about the 2nd ending? Then he kills himself after that, he was shot in the leg and shoulder, he might live, but no he kills himself too, without a second of thought, without showing any emotion, Blake and Taylor just decides to die. I'll say it again, she says she can't live without him and the then stabs her with the drug, just like that, that is PATHETIC. So yes the 2nd ending was better. Shame on you guys
shareAgree completely. I would have cut a point if the film had ended with first shoot out.
shareI really hoped it wouldn't have a romeo and juliet shakesperean ending. And I actually got mad when I thought thats exactly what they did, however the second ending could have been better too. Leaving Lado alive after what he did is too messed up.
shareDon't forget that the first ending is a dream. If meant to be a real ending it would have probably been written and edited differently, making it less hokey. When the second ending began I yelled at the TV. Such a warm and fuzzy ending to a gritty movie. Pure Hollywood.
Maybe Stone wants a sequel.
Personally, I think both endings sucked.
Stone's ending is just stupid. A screwed up mix of happily ever after and injustice. Yeah, the heroes survive...so does the psycho rapist but at least the woman who just went into crime to protect her son got killed!
But the original ending isn't all that hot either. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with all of them dying, it's the suicide part I have a problem with. If I died here's the last thing I would want: My girlfriend and my best friend committing suicide over it. WTF? What is wrong with some people that they see anything beautiful in two young people throwing their life away?
If they had all been mortally wounded in the firefight and died in each other's arms, fine. If I had to go, that would be a good way to go. But if even one of them can get away and do something worthwhile with the rest of your life then it is your duty to do it.
I mean, damn, they moved heaven and earth to get O back and then she just goes and throws it away. If they all valued their lives so little, why did they even bother?
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elena probably waked her up
They definitely wouldnt have gotten off that easy. They were never official informants right? Travolta was just milking them for money and that was it, as far as I saw.
They were also pretty big players in the drug game in that area. A casual informant that shows up out of nowhere is not going to get out of the charges that they would have been hit with.
No, the ending was that bad.
The movie was already disappointing, but the ending was just pathetic.
The book was so good, and should have been relatively easy to adapt without stuffing it up. Apparently not.
I didn't read the book .but don't you think you expected to much of the film.
I love Benicio Del Toro I think he is one of the greatest actors of this time.
The dudes not so much but miss Lively as most of them just pretty face with blond
hair thinking that's enough to be an actress , We come to Mrs.Hayek who I think is very overrated. Oliver Stone I want you to do better next time
the movie in general wasn't so bad,but I stopped it to shave my very little beard then I came back for more
Some parts of it were entertaining and others parts sucked so badly I got up and shaved thinking the new look will give me new way of viewing it.
so sadly it didn't .
I hate when movies pull the whole "just kidding" ending and make it all farts and giggles at the end. Give me a break, like a hippie, a douchbag & a slut would survive a notoriously evil cartel...by pulling the ole switch-a-roo on the druglord.
To sum up this movie, never leave a woman in charge.
[i]like a hippie, a douchbag & a slut would survive a notoriously evil cartel[i]
As an atheist I don't like to go around quoting scripture, but there is some wisdom tucked away in the Bible about not casting the first stone!
Why are you so angry with the world - or just with this film - that you couldn't call "a hippie, a douchbag & a slut" something less loaded, such as "a botanist, a veteran and a woman"?
All this random and unfounded editorialising puzzles me.
Ok, that woman was stupid. But you sir, you may *beep* off.
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shareSPOILER ALERT... The first ending was really silly to me. Not because they all ended up dead in each other's arms. The part that baffles me is the tactical aspects. First off, You have Navy Seals with high powered sniper rifles and equally powerful optics. Then you have a group of the cartel guys with worse position and they had not detected the Navy Seals. Instead of "don't let them get off more than a couple shots", you would say "take out their snipers". Also, these guys were awful shots, they should have each picked a cartel sniper and taken them out. Once the Navy Seals did start shooting they were missing everything. Without the cartel snipers they could easily have taken out Lado and made a clean exchange. This silly shootout would only happen if you had highly unskilled marksmen covering you.
shareI agree with you NC66. The whole first ending was just rushed and weird and it actually felt unemotional to me for three people that loved each other all dying in each others' arms. But now I realize that it may have been filmed that way on purpose since it turned out to be her dream/fantasy ending.
shareFirst ending was rubbish... like i said in another thread, no matter how i would love a girl or my best friend, there is no way i would die for no reason. Only Ben was mortally injured, Chon was a bit messed up but bullet to the arm or leg don't kill you unless you suffer from extreme blood loss, wich a good soldier would not let happen. O was not injured at all... cmon...
Maybe the true ending was a bit too "they live happily after" but i rather take this than that rubbish dream ending...
Alice is the worst character of all time, she need to die in the last movie. Chris/Jill are RE !!!
It's funny because I liked the first ending and felt the 2nd was rushed - but thats just me. I really enjoyed all the actors in this effed up movie, it was a crazy train ride watching it. Yeah that was a compliment.
shareMy real problem with the ending is that it's a cheat. They show an ending, then WHOA, Blake Lively in her concussion victim narration voice says "AT LEAST THAT'S HOW I IMAGINED IT" and we're just supposed to accept that as the reason that first ending was shown to us? Blake Lively imagined herself and her lovers being killed/committing suicide? What? CHEAT. You cheated Oliver Stone. Pick a *beep* ending, don't throw that flimsy *beep* up at the last minute.
Also, LADO survives AND remains free? I'm not a stickler for formula, BUT HE'S A MONSTER! MOVIE LAW SAYS HE HAS TO DIE! Lol, I'm being a little bit facetious now, but seriously, Lado needed come-uppance in the worst way.
And if we're talking about "realism", I'm guessing in real life the cartels would have iced these fools after the first refusal.
I didn't hate the ending, but I'd heard it was "horrible" so I was prepared for much worse than a fake-ending. Plus...I loved the ending of No Country For Old Men, so maybe I just like strange endings.
The acting was medicore by the two males leads and just dreadful by Blake Lively, which marred an otherwise exhilerating story. But the ending...it was okay.
The fact that there was a whole fake ending that mislead everyone was what made the "ending" stupid.
What was the point?!
The director was trying to make a point. The book ending was the savage payoff ... wheras in the movie it was the happy ending. The only reason ppl went to see this is because they want the savage ending... because we are all savages. We love the action and killing... so it's sort of a big f-u to the audience... like the director was thinking "no, I won't give you the satisfaction of the ruthless killing showdown... because not everything in life happens like that"
I thought it was quite funny actually. You can always pause it before the rewind... but I thought it was very amusing of the Oliver Stone to do that... very smart and creative.
Everyone who says its lazy and stupid, obviously did not understand it.
But he does give us the satisfaction. That's why it's so cowardly because it's the ultimate cheat. As an artist I don't want to have this kind of ending but the audience will want it so I'll do it, but it's a dream/hallucination/imagining...whatever. It's total BS. Anyway the movie wasn't all that good to get all that worked up about the ending anyway lol!
Blake Lively is just horrible....
I dunno haha.. I thought it was quite creative. Doesn't happen in movies that much and it was a funny twist of events.
haha try the book or the prequel (The Kings of Cool)!! Don Winslow has one of the most creative writing styles i've ever read (random chapters in script form, breaking the fourth wall, funny lingo and abbreviations)... its quite hilarious to read, and theres a ton more action sequences in the books than in the movie.
Yeah, wasn't a fan of Lively as O... I was wishing for Amber Heard. The guys were well cast though, as were the villains. (maybe not Travolta... also a little mad they didnt kill off his character like in the book)
Why have two endings? After you accept an "ending" .. even as tragic as it was...then show another ending, the real one, which is a typical happy ending. It's like ehhhh.... Maybe if O had imagine them living but then they turn out to be actually dead. switch the two endings...That would have been a kicker.. turned one for a loop while being more realistic that way too. After seeing the first ending... I was mad and then after it turned out to be false... I got even madder because it makes no sense, you automatically accept the first ending they show!
shareThe director was trying to make a point. The book ending was the savage payoff ... wheras in the movie it was the happy ending. The only reason ppl went to see this is because they want the savage ending... because we are all savages. We love the action and killing... so it's sort of a big f-u to the audience... like the director was thinking "no, I won't give you the satisfaction of the ruthless killing showdown... because not everything in life happens like that"
I thought it was quite funny actually. You can always pause it before the rewind... but I thought it was very amusing of the Oliver Stone to do that... very smart and creative.
Everyone who says its lazy and stupid, obviously did not understand it.
I AGREE!
It was such a cop out to show the really dramatic ending and then be like...but that didn't happen.
Can someone please describe the actual ending. For some effing reason my tivo cut the movie off a few minutes short. The last scene I saw was Chon injecting the adrenaline shot into Ben. Then Tivo says, that's it! Ugh!
So what happens after that?
They all lie together in arms waiting to die from the injection. Then O says that she just imagined it all and then it rewinds to the moment they get her out of the care to exchange her for Elena's daughter. Then suddenly Lado walks to his car and drives off waving good bye to Elena with a smirk. Then Dennis and the cops show up and arrest the three and Elena. Elena gets 30 years while the three wind up in Indonesia living happily ever after.
I actually loved the rewinding to the happy ending because unhappy endings have become so stereotypical in movies these days. I'm glad that after all the turmoil they finally found happiness. It's refreshing and life-affirming and I applaud Stone for his move. Life is depressing as it is. At least in movies I want a happy ending that makes me wanna watch the movie again and again.
" It's refreshing and life-affirming and I applaud Stone for his move. Life is depressing as it is. At least in movies I want a happy ending that makes me wanna watch the movie again and again."
Have one ending or the other, then whack the one that misses out into the special features of the DVD.
But tacking them together in the movie was IMO somewhat pretentious, though arguably not unlike Stone.
Yeah, that's what I didn't get. O "dreams" about a bloody shoot-out and the death of her two men and is all like "You don't know if I'm coming out alive"-narrator (funny how Aaron Taylor-Johnson did the same thing in Kick-Ass, haha). I can see the FBI-ending as her dream and the bloody shoot-out as the real deal, but not the other way around. I mean I don't hate the endings, I think both are very cool. The shoot-out is just your run-of-the-mill Mexican stand-off ending which we see in every kind of crime-movie. The FBI-ending is kinda even more evil, because Lado, a frickin' psychotic murderer doesn't only run wild, but is now in charge and lying, cheating greaseball Dennis gets all the praise for essentially doing nothing except saving his own life by making a deal with Lado. Maybe O had a death wish. That's the only reason why I can imagine her telling that shoot-out scene. Or maybe it's just a "Oh, she's a spoiled brat and wants to have it end like a big, epic Hollywood movie"-type of thing.
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