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The Sooner You Realize It's Not About Sidebottom, The Ease of Joy Comes


The film's inspired by the absurdity of Frank Sidebottom, yes. The head is the only thing resembling Frank Sidebottom. The film tackles mental illness, hive living, social media and the desire to make art without making a profit necessarily. None of these aspects (okay, the very last thing does) have nothing to do with Sidebottom.

Give the film a chance. You might like it. (There's a documentary coming, so look forward to it, like I will.)

Black men and a whole lot of *beep* white men have had plenty fun adoring my ass JUNGLE JULIA

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I think some people are hell bent on disliking the movie because it's not about Sidebottom.

The 'Being Frank' documentary is coming out soon. So that's good news to the fans.

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My thoughts exactly. Relax and enjoy the film. It's really enjoyable. Many films are inspired by others without dropping a biopic in the middle.

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i concur.

i see jon as the main character here.

i wonder, though, what is the lesson of this movie?

it seems to me that jon was untalented and nothing changed for him. he'll just go back to his old job in england.

and the band will continue to do their music, without jon.

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the lesson of the movie is that mental issues do not necessarilly stems from a tormented past, that craziness and excentricity do not make a genius, it actually brings them down.

i dont think jon was completely untalented, but he wasnt the genious that frank was, what i think jon learned is to stop riding in other people's talents, he exploited this band for his own gians and broke them.

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"Follow one's whim, even if it's for a moment." That's what I've got.

Black men and a whole lot of *beep* white men have had plenty fun adoring my ass JUNGLE JULIA

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If you can't figure out the message of the film, there's a problem. It's not YOUR problem. But rather the film's problem. It's what's wrong with this kind of vomit on the screen. I'm constantly criticized for wanting stories that you can figure out. Like that makes me less intelligent.

My father watched both Hunger Games tonight for the first time. He said there was a distinct Greek Minotaur theme where the king every 9 years would pick seven girls and boys to be sacrificed and eaten by the Minotaur. I really didn't pick up on that. Because I'm not well read like him. But, he figured out that theme quickly. Because it was THERE. But too many indie filmmakers get off on this disjointed confusion which requires the audience make up themes and fill in plot holes to try to make stories work.

Which is why most people reject them.

And then they sit back sipping espresso in cafes wearing black turtlenecks and nose rings discussing how the masses are so dumb and they are so enlightened because they enjoy getting mind fu/ck//ed by nonsensical cinematic crap... LOL....:)

a/k/a opposite day in logical universe...

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By the way, Hunger Games are very good films. Both of them.. Rich in.symbolism. Strong political messages. Knee deep in ethical and morality themes and a powerful revolutionary theme. Excellent tempo and script. It all made sense. It is possible to have entertainment with easily discernible messages with stories that make sense, are thrilling, and provide closure to plot elements.

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First of all, did you see this movie? You said you had no intention to see it and if you didn't, what are you talking about? Second, not everybody asks for entertainment in movies. Personally, I like to be entertained but I love much more to be challenged. I love "to fill plot holes" which, often, are left on purpose. Messages are dumb, in many cases, for those who don't want to understand them.

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If your father knew anything
Okay, so you know him without knowing anything about him. I'm dumb. I have no clue. Suzanne Collins, the author of Hunger Games is either a liar or not smart enough to realize she ripped off Battle Royale as she repeatedly says her books were inspired by Theseus and the Minotaur. And, you are also apparently smarter than tax experts hired by entire Legislatures?

And your VAST encyclopedia of worldly knowledge which eclipses all others is donned on you by virtue of a mere $15 ticket purchase to go see your idol Fassbender wear a paper bobble head, and compose nails across the chalkboard music, sung with all the eloquence of a dying goat. Eh....? Oh dear....

Hail! Hail! Educators if the world... Put down the textbooks and step away from the teaching syllabi.... we have the ANSWER to any and all learning dilemmas in this country......go watch dumb indie films....it apparently makes prophets, geniuses and savants out of mere sackcloth....LOL

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First of all, did you see this movie?

Uhhhhhhhh....uhhhhhhh....uhhhhhhhh......NO....sweetie, it's playing in like 50 theaters in a country of 3.794 million sq miles (9.827 million km²). If you think I'd get off my butt to travel in the name of Fassbender or to see what looks like a critic shill pushed cinematic nightmare, you are bananas. Overripe banana.... to clarify.... LOL.

Or pay $20 (a premium price above a mere ticket price) you have not been paying attention, despite your and HomInIn's renewed interest in following me around IMDB and the internet to try to find a way to verbally body check me into the penalty box....

I don't get this "if you haven't seen it how can you judge?" It's called "trailers..." And that Colbert insult to music didn't help the box office I'm sure.....

What is wrong with this guy?

Is it a comedy? Serious? What? Spinal Tap was clear that their music was SUPPOSED to be funny. That's why the movie works and was a classic. If Fassbender would have done something funny in the middle of the Colbert skit, maybe people might have gotten it. But, it was just a bunch of actors singing badly a bad tune seemingly seriously.... it's like WTF???


That money wasted on that film could have paid to build a low cost STATE operated day care center for kids in New Mexico, so moms earning minimum wage could go to college and better their lives for tons of children. I've seen these women making $5 an hour who need to wait until Friday, and payday to buy a $5 gallon of milk for their kids...

What lack of prioritizing by the government. What a disastrous waste.....

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Go on talking again and again about tax payers cut and blàh blàh blàh but no, you're not entitled to give judgement about the movie without seeing it. The same thing you already did for 12 years a slave, on the other hand. A trailer is a trailer, nothing more. So spare us, please.

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But I AM giving a judgment....lots of people have. It's only made $282,000 in the time it has been out. Even the distributor made a judgment. It's only in around 52 theaters.... you do the math....can bananas do math?

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As usual your judgment (if I write judgement am I too suspect?) only considering money, great critic you are, wow! Cinema is not only about that, fortunately, despite you, Gorilla.

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Don't flatter yourself iretos. I don't care how you spell Judgment. It was my understanding you are from Europe. Which is why I included the kilometres measurement in the area of the United States in my last post you ding dong...

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You have issues..

and this:

I don't get this "if you haven't seen it how can you judge?" It's called "trailers..."

lol hahaha

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That's a really dumb thing to say. Are you human by any chance? What an absolute bullying thing to say.

"Oh, you have issues cause you don't agree with me. There's something really wrong with you because you don't agree with me. You've criticized someone whom I've never met but whom I idolize and worship no questions asked so I'm going to bully you and attack you because I'm convinced that somewhere somehow my idol is sitting around very appreciative of my Prince Valiant efforts to protect and shield him from the criticism of terrible rerrible Lena Galena..."
. Oh dear...sweetie.... I think you are the zombie with issues....mainly because you didn't mention anything about the movie or the actors in it and went straight for me instead...

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I agree with OP. I had initial reservations about it not being about Frank Sidebottom. But you have to judge a film on what it is, not on what it isn't. And it's a great film.

But I still think that, if it's not really about Frank Sidebottom (Chris Sievey), why the film makers felt the need to use the same mask and the same first name. They could have easily changed those two elements without compromising on what the film is about. And Sidebottom fans wouldn't have to feel that Chris Sievey was ripped off in any way.

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I think Chris Sievey inspired the story because his performances were refuges in audacity. Fassbender's character uses the mask as a refuge from his mental illness and with the head, he's able to express himself in ways he can't without it. Perhaps, the same could be said of Sievey.

Black men and a whole lot of *beep* white men have had plenty fun adoring my ass JUNGLE JULIA

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My point is that the film could have used a different mask, since people who know Frank Sidebottom associate that particular mask with Sievey, to the point that Sievey and the mask became one and the same. (Much like in the movie.)

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I get what you're saying. But, who are we to determine another's muse for their work?

Black men and a whole lot of *beep* white men have had plenty fun adoring my ass JUNGLE JULIA

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According to the director, they tried a number of different looks for the mask, but none of them worked as well (in terms of lighting, expression, etc.) as the one that resembled Sidebottom's. Seems like Chris Sievey knew what he was doing!

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My point is that the film could have used a different mask, since people who know Frank Sidebottom associate that particular mask with Sievey, to the point that Sievey and the mask became one and the same. (Much like in the movie.)


So, basically, you wanted to director to make adjustments for the sake of Sidebottom/Chris Sievey fans and not the other way around? Ever heard of creative license? IT'S JUST A FRIGGIN' MASK!! Lenny Abrahamson had never said nor intended this film to be a bio-pic about Frank Sidebottom. Why can't fans just accept that and move on?

Movies are supposed to stretch our minds and be as limitless as one's imagination. A fictional character can be inspired by a real person yet not explicitly BE about that person, y'know? This silly restriction of "he shouldn't have used the mask" betrays a mind that's resistant to change or stepping outside of the familiar comfort zone. Besides, the idea so petty.

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I think it's clever to say the film is inspired by Sidebottom but not really fair to that man's memory. Inspired, what does that really mean? The character looked just like Sidebottom and there are no other entertainers that look like that so when they make "Frank" mentally ill are they not then insinuating that Sidebottom was mentally ill? I think so. Maybe that's why he didn't want it done in his lifetime. Waiting till he was dead and then going ahead with it seems wrong to me. Imagine if you were Sidebottom's child or parent. Would you like that implication whether true or not? It's not as if he was clinically diagnosed and it was made public in his lifetime. Anyway, I felt sad for Sidebottom when I was researching him prior to the movie being made.

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Prior to this film, I had no idea who the heck Chris Sievey/Frank Sidebottom was. If anything, "Frank" has encouraged people like me to Google and discover the truth of who this unique individual was. Helping to spark that interest does well enough in bringing honour to his memory.


The character looked just like Sidebottom and there are no other entertainers that look like that so when they make "Frank" mentally ill are they not then insinuating that Sidebottom was mentally ill?


There is no insinuation because Abrahamson said from the get-go that the "Frank" film character is NOT THE SAME as Frank Sidebottom (save for the mask). The two concepts are completely DIVORCED from each other. The film is NOT meant to be a biography. How much more explicit must the director's explanation be? To insist that such an insinuation exists is to ignore the director and imply that he had intentions directly opposite to what he publicly stated. I'm not interested in playing those fruitless mind reading games. It distracts me from appreciating the film for what it is.

The only people who seem worried about the mental illness link to Chris Sievey are his fans (I wonder...did Sievey's family publicly express the same concern? An open question to anyone who can answer me). It's not a universal reaction. I, for one, did not make that assumptive leap. I accepted Abrahamson's "Frank" as a fictional character while realizing that the fibreglass head prop originated from an actual British artist.


Inspired, what does that really mean?


Inspiration in this case means taking something (an idea, a fragment of a story, a person or an object--like a giant papier-mâché head, for example) and running off on a creative tangent with it, heading in a completely new direction. Inspiration isn't meant to be historically accurate. "Frank"--unlike Fassbender's other film, "12 Years a Slave"--does not come with the tagline "based on a true story". Sidebottom's mask happens to be the source of the movie's inspiration. That's it.

You can't deny that wearing a giant cartoonish head in public would be considered odd/strange/funny/different/unique/"interesting". Why would anyone do that? To quote from the film, "What goes on inside the head, inside the head?". What is being hidden? What is really going on? These are the kind of questions that are prompted when confronted by anyone wearing a type of mask (literal or figurative). I believe this general curiosity regarding Sievey's mask was Abrahamson's inspirational doorway to explore additional themes.


Imagine if you were Sidebottom's child or parent. Would you like that implication whether true or not?


This is a hypothetical question as I am neither Sievey's child nor parent (interesting that you refer to Sidebottom as if he was a real person; Chris Sievey is the actual person's name and "Frank Sidebottom" was his stage persona--an important distinction). Having said that, as a close relative, I would imagine that I'd have a better knowledge of who Sievey was in real life and could tell the difference between truth and fiction. I would also think that I would be able to discern between disdainful mockery and flat out lies versus fanciful imagination. As far as I could tell and based on what the director said, there was no suggestion made within the movie that Chris Sievey was indeed mentally ill and hence wore a mask to deal with it.


To tell you the truth, I'm more upset with the early press reports and reviews for repeatedly stating that the movie was "about Frank Sidebottom". Sidebottom fans got excited, thinking they were going to see a cinematic tribute on the life and/or career of their beloved icon only to be disappointed that it wasn't that at all. Abrahamson didn't betray anyone. He was only inspired by the mask. So please...re-direct your wrath to those reporters who gave you the wrong impressions.


Maybe that's why he didn't want it done in his lifetime. Waiting till he was dead and then going ahead with it seems wrong to me.


Didn't want what done? A movie about about his life? But here's the thing (at the risk of sounding like a broken record): THE "FRANK" MOVIE IS NOT THE CHRIS SIEVEY LIFESTORY. IT IS NOT A DOCUMETARY. There was nothing underhanded done because it wasn't about him in the first place. I don't understand why Sievey fans are blaming Abrahamson for failing to make the life-bio pic that he never envisioned to make. If you want a Sievey biography so badly, then make that YOUR little side project and let Lenny pursue whatever HE wants to artistically achieve.

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