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Idiot's Guide to The Drop or The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance


The number of posts by individuals who completely misunderstand a movie with 6 characters in it is mind boggling.

Bob is exactly what he seems to be: a somewhat simple, but street smart ex-soldier for Marv's crew who has accepted the Chechen takeover of Marv's criminal enterprises. He evidences this when discussing Marv's ongoing bitterness re the Chechen take over while collecting the non-dumpster trash cans: "that was ten years ago" he says to Marv. Marv replies "no that was eight and a half years ago... eight and a half years", as if he resentfully counts the time that's passed frequently. Bob has moved on from that chapter, Marv has not. Bob is also lonely and dependable, but guilt-plagued (see: daily Mass attendance sans Communion).

Marv is what he appears to be: a former small-time gangster who wants payback for the loss of his criminal enterprise and a return of the perceived respect he thinks he was afforded while loan-sharking (he lectures Bob about the respect he once had in the scene where he tells Bob the he's too ill to work super Bowl Sunday). He is a stubborn, bitter man who thinks he is smarter than he is. This leads to him foolishly view ripping off the Drop as a "sound business venture" (recall Bob quotes this term as Marv's reason for killing Glory Days while he is describing the real Glory Days hit to Deeds).

As for all the bones of contention:

1) The Chechens put the watch-arm and cash on the fence to send a message to Marv. Basically - "we know you probably did it Marv, don't be stupid again because we found the hand that acted as your instrument in no time flat". (see the boss Chechen's quote: "you're shoveling all right" to Marv when he and Bob are clearing the snow out in back of the bar - meaning the Chechen thinks Marv is shoveling *beep* aka lying).

2) Bob killed Glory Days because he was a loyal soldier in Marv's crew back in the day and was told to do it. Period. He killed Deeds because, as he says to Nadia after shooting Deeds: "you know he woulda kept coming back - that's what guys like him do". He was protecting Nadia, and himself, from not only Deeds but the Chechens as well (who would have killed him if he gave up the cash). He did not want to kill anyone ever again and this is evidenced by his remorse over the Glory Days hit (daily Mass attendance, Bob sitting next to Glory Days' oil tank tomb in his basement, etc) and his willingness to pay Deeds' ridiculous $10K demand at the kitchen table scene (Deeds no shows but Bob still takes the cash to the bar to try and avoid trouble).

3) The Chechens killed the watch wearing robber. They likely tortured him as well (maybe like the bolt through the leg guy got) but since watch-arm didn't know who set the robbery up he couldn't give up Marv.

4) Marv runs over watch-arm's brother because he won't go in on another robbery after Marv spills his Super Bowl heist plans to him and gets turned down while also tying up loose ends by silencing the only person that "watch-arm" could have given up after being snatched by the Chechens.

5) Nadia and Bob go walk the dog at the end. He doesn't whack her out, she doesn't refuse to go, etc. This is too obvious to explain, but ... we hear the wind chimes twice: when Nadia is going for her coat and when she is returning; we also hear her foot falls coming back and see Bob's semi-smile when she comes into view.

6) The Side Door. In New York's outer boroughs like Brooklyn and Queens, many home owners use their side door as their main entrance for every day ingress and egress. The driveway pulls up there and most side doors lead, as Nadia's does, into the kitchen. Therefore one need not trample through one's living room or squeeze by the steps to the upstairs when bringing in groceries or after getting your boots coated with filthy snow, etc. Nadia's side-door use is 100% accurate for a Brooklyn house. Bob has a vestibule entryway and thus he uses the front door.

7) To all the shrinks here: if anyone is a sociopath in this movie it's the Chechen gangster.

Ahhh, that fells better..

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Nice summary.

One other thing -- Detective Torres' line at the end when he tells Bob, "no one sees you coming, do they, Bob?" That's Torres saying that he's figured out that "just a bartender" Bob is the killer in both the Wheelan and Deeds cases. Torres is saying that while guys like Marv, the Chechens, and Deeds want reputations as tough guys, outwardly meek and mild Bob is really the guy you should look out for.

While technically accurate -- Bob did kill both guys -- the detective is wrong about Bob's nature. He did the Wheelan murder as a loyal soldier for Marv but has regretted it ever since and thinks he's going to Hell for it. However, he did everything he could to avoid the Deeds killing and only shot him when forced to do so by Deeds. Bob is not a guy you have to watch out for; if you leave him alone, you have nothing to worry about. He's a guy you just shouldn't push into a corner.

I'm glad they didn't make the parallel with the dog more blatantly obvious by having a scene where the dog is cornered and turns aggressive, but the dog is a parallel with Bob: both have been damaged, both are loyal, both act like harmless puppies. In the dog's case, it's a pit bull, so people will ultimately recognize that you shouldn't mess with it even if it acts like the sweetest dog in the world, while in Bob's case, people don't recognize the pit bull underneath.

What that last line by Torres does NOT mean is that Bob is going to kill Nadia. He has no reason to hurt Nadia, he trusts her to not tell what she's seen, and he was acting to protect her as much as himself. Nadia is, in fact, one of the few people he truly cares about, and he wouldn't do anything to harm her. While Nadia was shocked and scared by the Deeds killing, she ultimately recognizes that Bob did it to protect both of them and did everything he could to avoid it. With the sound of Nadia's returning footsteps to end the film, it's clear to me that Nadia feels safe with him and that they will be a couple.

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I think in real life a girl like Nadia would keep her distance from Bob after what all went down.

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This is true. I do believe Nadia went with him in the end but she would clearly have reservations for a long time to come not just because of what Bob did to Deeds (that she might deem justified), but even moreso because he admitted to committing another murder. No way that doesn't give her pause.




"If it doesn't make sense, it's not true." -- Judge Judy

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Bob is a good guy and they may remain friends but Nadia will end up with another Eric Deeds. Of course, not intentionally.

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I wanted to add the short scene with the ceramic angel that has a broken wing. I think it is also a representation of Bob, he's a good guy who did something wrong (killed Ritchie Whelan). He hasn't fixed it because he feels like he can't, which also ties into his idea that God won't forgive him. Then Nadia comes along and says she can fix the angel for him, which also can reference her coming into Bob's life and making it better, giving him new hope and him having a chance to move on. At the same time, the "broken angel" can also be Nadia, with Bob coming into her life to make it better. These are just my speculations.

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I agree with your thoughts about the angel. In addition to fixing it being a metaphor for their "bonding," it can also apply as an individual metaphor for both Bob and Nadia.

It definitely had significance for the director. In the scene where Deeds breaks into Nadia's house, she first figures out that something is wrong when she sees that the angel has been moved. That wasn't necessary from a narrative standpoint -- Deeds walks into the room moments later -- but it was a nice touch that highlighted the significance of the angel.

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 Great posts.


"If it doesn't make sense, it's not true." -- Judge Judy

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Excellent post. I thought the movie was great and Tom Hardy did a great job acting. I am from Brooklyn and I knew people like him back in the day. You are dead on right about the ending as well. It's clear she comes back to him by the fact that you hear the door open twice and you see a little smile on his face when he sees her come back.

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Often when someone starts a thread with a title like this one, the OP is at best partially correct and usually hilariously wrong. However, this time it's spot on and hopefully clears up what really shouldn't need clearing up anyway.

Well done.

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My one question, why didnt merv just take the money? Its his bar, he could of just opened the safe and took it so why try and make it look like a robbery. They would of hunted him down and killed him either way

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Marv was desperate. As Bob mentioned. As well as being involved in criminal activities. Stealing from his own bar, either by someone else or himself, the Chechs would have caught up to him eventually.

If you think about it, it's a ridiculous thing to do. To mess around at all with a community mob's drop area.

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great initial post... bump

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Bravo

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