Feminism is in


Some may see the word feminism and have a negative knee-jerk reaction to it. What I mean is that there is a lot of attention being paid to the exploration of female motivations, desires and sexuality. I think it's obviously a good thing.

As a man, I get an anxious, almost uncomfortable feeling when thinking about the subject of the free exploration of female sexuality. I have trouble coming up with a rational explanation as to why because I can't objectively see how that would be negative for men or me specifically.

Subjectively, I think it's related to why so many men are so critical of Margot, but before I explain more I'll give a little on my take. I suppose that if you get married and enter into that commitment you ought to work it out and not play cute, even mildly flirtatious games in the cab with another person and proceed to confide and spend the day with them.

However, Margot's rejection of Lou is just plain controversial and the way people respond to it makes it interesting. It's not so much about what's right or fair as it is an observation of how we react to Margot's sexuality. If I was to keep score, I still would feel that Margot is in the wrong despite Lou being, in my opinion, horrendously insensitive to Margot's sexual development.

Nonetheless, I think the anxious, uncomfortable feeling men might get is a product of identifying with Lou, who wasn't nearly up to the task of fulfilling Margot's growing sexual appetite, and we resent the idea of having to compete, even after 5 years of marriage, with the more sexually proficient Daniel.

In the end, I tend to think I won't benefit as much from keeping score as I will by evaluating my response to Margot.

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Can you please explain to me how Lou was being "horrendously insensitive to Margot's sexual development"? Is it because he wouldn't accept her threesome fetishes?

Men sympathize with Lou because they don't like the idea of getting married only to have it end in shambles every time their woman gets bored. When men get married, it's like they're buying a home they want to retire in. But when women get married, they're just buying a flashy car and once it breaks down, they go out for a new model. The divorce rate in America is at an alarming 50%. And 76.4% of those divorces are initiated by women. Which is mind boggling considering that men are the ones with the reputation to avoid commitment. I think men take this movie personally because it paints a jarringly scary picture about marriage. Perhaps more so for those that are already in one.

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"When men get married, it's like they're buying a home they want to retire in. But when women get married, they're just buying a flashy car and once it breaks down, they go out for a new model"
Whoa! Settle down mate. I find that statement offensive and incredibly sexist. I think if you looked into those statistics a little more you might find that generally men are a lot more likely to stray and that's probably why more woman initiate divorce.

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I agree with his statement.

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Can you please explain to me how Lou was being "horrendously insensitive to Margot's sexual development"? Is it because he wouldn't accept her threesome fetishes?


In fact, Margot never communicates these sexual fetishes to Lou. I think the OP was watching a different movie.

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Or, I was mistaken regarding that dynamic between Lou and Margot, which I think I was because Lou couldn't have known what she was going through was because of her sexual development. I agree that she communicated very poorly. However, I do think Lou was insensitive and complacent. The question is whether or not it's okay to be insensitive and complacent, which it may be as long as both parties are clear on the kind of person they are marrying. You might think, surely Lou deserves to just be Lou and not be cheated on. However, I don't think this is realistic, because people change and grow, so I think it's incumbent on couples to be attentive and sensitive to their partner's feelings and address things that are very unpleasant.

I hope I don't have to say that I'm defending Margot's cheating behavior, cuz I am in no way doing that.

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I agree with the previous poster, she never talked abt it so he wasn't insensitive
an she never talked abt anything anyway, she just talked when she made her decision and wanted to leave
u ain't wrong, that could be rite except not abt this particular movie
she cheated on him b4 saying anything, she had cyber sex or whatever it is called in the bar with a stranger, later she jumped in his bed without an invitation and she spent a lot of time with him b4 her husband even knew that she knew that stranger
she had a problem with herself, that is why she wanted back in the end and prolly left Daniel too
until she work it out with herself she would only be after lust or the shinning of new relationships which is amazing but she won't be able to make it through to what comes after which is a shame.



"It is never about what happened, it is only how you look at it!"

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It's fun to reread this after more than a year.

"It's an age old trouble, the anxiety of men about women's sexuality. I can't quite puzzle it out, as I come from the female end of things. It would seem mutually beneficial for everyone that women are happy and unencumbered by fear or shame."

I think it may be the case that most people are responding to their preconception of a "slippery slope" when facing ideas to which they have some ideological or physiological aversion. This includes me. The anxiety I experience when thinking of the free expression of female sexuality, and when thinking of Margot, resembles a kind of paranoia that my girlfriend and perhaps a generality of women will be encouraged to be dominated by their baser sexual inclinations that overwhelm their disposition to be devoted, faithful, and supportive. (Note that I'm only describing my own physiological response, that is, the way I feel and think in response to deep emotions that I have. This is not an objective view of what actually occurs in general). This is what I perceive to have happened with Margot. She was faithful, felt sexual chemistry for Daniel and chose to behave in a way that I understand is cheating due to that sexual chemistry.

"I think it might come from men's shame about their own baser nature??
Have you ever seen the show Louie? He does a little routine slightly related to this, basically saying that every man has salacious and lewd thoughts about every woman he encounters. And even if he is a good and decent person and says beautiful romantic things, the second unspoken half of the sentence is explicit.
Is that the fear for men? That this idealized woman you love might be as base and crude as your own thoughts? Here I use the universal "you", not you."

I honestly have no clue if male sexuality, like you describe, correlates with what I describe; feeling threatened by the notion of freely expressed female sexuality. I don't know if this is true for everyone, but for me, I both want to cheat on my girlfriend, and I don't want to cheat on my girlfriend. If I do cheat, I consider that to be behaving according to my base inclinations. Remaining faithful in a committed relationship is a behavior related to our ability for abstraction; do to others as you would have them do to you. Because we want committed, exclusive partners to be devoted to us, we remain devoted. I imagine this is true for everyone, yes? Women have base, sexual inclinations that if acted upon violate a monogamous agreement. I'm not saying that what I'm describing fully encompasses the ideas elicited by this movie or this topic; I'm just curious to see what people say in response.

I really do like this movie, too because it has really evoked a lot of discussion and emotion from people on some sensitive issues. I think there are women who are cashing in on the "female sexual expression" movement, and Sarah Polley is deserving among them.

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