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Confused about the scenes with Daniel....re; the threesomes



I almost thought these weren't "real" situations and that the scenes were somehow a dream. It just didn't fit into the full story of them "supposedly" being so connected and in love. Perhaps that was the point of the movie...don't leave your loving husband for a fling? BUT, the loving husband situation wasn't so perfect either. And the ending, with her back on that carnival ride???? WTF? Sorry, this movie left me completely baffled, cold, and wondering what the message was. Thoughts?

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They were real.

It just didn't fit into the full story of them "supposedly" being so connected and in love.

I don't think the movie was about Daniel and Margo being connected and in love. She was afraid of being alone. She was feeling detached from her husband and she gravitated towards someone else.

BUT, the loving husband situation wasn't so perfect either.

None are. That was more the point of the story. The grass isn't always greener. Margo was confused, and scared and she was looking for a fantasy. She wanted more, which she got, and that ended in much the same way. I think the threesomes are a reflection of this. As the passion was dying out, they were looking for other ways to recapture it. But all ended the same way.

And the ending, with her back on that carnival ride????

She was finally caught in the middle. Her worst fears realized. She was alone and full of regret, but what we see is she has conquered her fears and has accepted herself. The ending is pretty hopeful.

WTF? Sorry, this movie left me completely baffled, cold, and wondering what the message was. Thoughts?

Personally? I thought it was incredible. It's so rare we see a piece of honest cinema like this. It was just so beautiful, and raw and insightful. I don't think we're supposed to judge Margo for what she does. She is a flawed person, but a real one. As we look at her life, and her decisions we are able to look at our own decisions.

It was a rare work of art.

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Wow! Thanks for your response! It answered so many questions for me.... basically, this movie was real life.

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What a shame that so many women think that no husbands are loving.

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Holy sh#$. You just canceled the need for me to reply to the OP. I could've written every word, every bit of it, down to the very last statement.

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Amazing reply that leaves me nothing else to be said except that I couldn't really like the movie
not saying it was bad or horribly made but I just can't like it for what it represented.


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Thank you for this. I just watched this movie, and found it very real. I think, or I'd like to believe rather, that I had come to some of the same conclusions and had the same thoughts as you verbalized here, but it was nice to see it in black and white. I agree with your post, if that wasn't obvious. Well put.

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I read your reply after just watching the movie. I think that gave me a better understanding of the movie and eventually change my vote from 6 to 7, thank you. Maybe you'd think it deserves more than 7, but still that's some improvement :)

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Thanks for your explanation. I was baffled by that three some montage also.

Ithought that the scenes with Daniel (after she runs off to the beach) were all in her imagitation and that's why she was sad to finally say bye to her ex. Your explanation makes so much more sense. I found the film quite mpving

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I'm pretty sure the message is that no relationship is perfect and everyone can screw up.

Relationships usually don't break down because of something terrible it is usually the little crap that no one else would notice like getting bored.

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I think they were meant to show that Margot and Daniel's connection was weakening, and they were trying to get it back by spicing up their sex life. If you notice the clip shown after the threesomes is them having sex alone fully clothed and neither of them seems to be into it at all. Then the clip after that one shows them watching TV in the area their bed was, the center of the room.

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Yeah, what was that, anyway?

I thought it was sort of reminiscent of the way a lot of '80s "the pretty people HAVE to have sex, dammit" kind of films. You'll remember the standard huge converted-warehouse apartments in Manhattan that a dance teacher could afford, and all that. At any rate, there was a really jarring, stark contrast with the home she had with Lou, which I thought was full of laughter, friends, good food, good conversation, people who actually cared about each other, etc. Seemed to me she got what she traded for -- an ersatz "sex" that was more like the empty, detached, hobby sex you see in films like that. If that's what Polley was doing deliberately, it was brilliant. If not, it still had its effect.

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When I first watched this sequence unfold, within that massive loft-type space, I thought at first it was an imagining or alternate history since it was so posed and unreal, with the swiveling camera and time furnishing the apartment and all the sexual configurations and alternations.

Same here. I'm still not sure it wasn't.

No, I don't think she should be "condemned" for it. She's human. She missed the mark, as all of us do in various ways. But I don't think the opposite is true -- that this was a good thing she was doing.

I think it just has to do with the fact that the "comfortable" relationship (and home) has its downside -- a downside that can be managed, probably, if one doesn't fall into the habit of making the prevailing mass-culture sexual ethic (sleep with one, sleep with another, "try" a little but you deserve a change if it gets "boring") the absolute ruler and arbiter of what you "should" be doing and feeling. There is a certain goodness to a "comfortable" situation, but yeah, it can become mind-numbing and invisible.

Here's the deal, though: Was it mind-numbing and invisible at the start, with Lou? Probably not. So what's it going to be with Daniel eventually? Or with the next one, or the next? And how many more people will she hurt and leave behind? How many more young nieces? Is your life really "your own" in the way popular culture and self-help books tell you it is? What's the cost for living on that model?

It's not that boring sameness doesn't need to be fixed, or that comfort doesn't have its real downside. It absolutely does. But the point is, except for yourself, betrayal doesn't really fix it for anybody. It's a huge price, and for the price, you get a non-solution that is really a choice to live a recurring cycle of shallowness.

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Undies, too...or so I hear.

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Who's complaining? ;-)

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Oh, I think it was definitely deliberate and key to the whole point of the film ("what's new gets old") that seems to have gone over so many people's heads.

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Same here. For one thing, the mood and even the technique of the scene was counter to the rest of the film, which was full of ambient sounds and the feel of real life, messy family and friends, etc. It really did seem like a scene from 1988 or 1991, IMHO.

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Good points. Can you give examples of the kinds of movies from 25 years ago that you are referencing?

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Yup. Lemme get to it when I can, and I'll send URLs of clips if I can find them. The "rapturous, casual, unattached sex in dreamlike state and pristine surroundings unspoiled by children, normal-house mess, etc." It was the coin of the realm in the '80s and early '90s.

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an ersatz "sex" that was more like the empty, detached, hobby sex you see in films like that. If that's what Polley was doing deliberately, it was brilliant. If not, it still had its effect.


that's how I read it. She throws over nice-guy Lou for this guy, who, I guess, has to be said, is a fairly nice guy as interlopers go.Man even works hard for an honest living, pulls a rickshaw FFS.

But, anyway, they both get what they want, and they obviously rock each other's world so much , that they soon dial in both MFF and MMF threesomes to try to break the new crushing boredom and disappointment.

the threesomes and the 70s theme song, I was actually transported back to a loved 00s show called "Swingtown"...it would be great if Margot and Daniel knew "Trina Decker" and her husband in that show and time..

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The montage depicting her life with Daniel was in the character's "real" timeline. The sensual pleasures depicted were so extreme because that was presumably what she sensed was missing from her life with her merely loyal, merely loving, merely sensitive, available and all-around good-catch of a husband.

The filmmaker is giving us a platonic model through which to explore the question of "happiness" as an unbound quantity. The movie is less narrative than abstract in this sense and it catches the audience off-guard. At the point that the soon-to-be ex-husband apologizes for calling her mean names during the break-up montage, I myself was livid at what appeared to be a sick, female fantasy about how a man ought to react to being made a cuckold. Mid-point through the life-with-Daniel montage, however, it became clear that these characters never resided in a scenario of fictional realism, but rather one of philosophical premise.

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I feel the same way the OP did upon the scenes showing not one but TWO threesomes...it was just unexpected is all...I guess it shows the passage of time and the lengths they went to keep this fresh...but still...unexpected (and HOT I will say).

The thing that got me on her ride alone is that she was SMILING...she was HAPPY. Maybe she finally grew up.

I still felt so bad for Rogen's character, ture he might've neglected her, etc, but that was just downright COLD.

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jorgito, I think you hit the nail on the head when you say "maybe she finally grew up."

I spent long periods of this movie thinking, "are we really supposed to believe these 'grown ups' are this immature??" Seriously, there was a very juvenile feel to all the "I'd like to rip off your head and boil it in soup, then eat it" sort of stuff. And Margot's initial little dance with Daniel, asking him to describe what he'd do to her just seemed rather like a young, inexperienced teen girl teasing her first boyfriend, testing her sexual powers.

Fell asleep halfway through the movie, which is not a good sign. Woke up to the threesomes and the sister-in-law showing up drunk. Figured I'll have to rewatch on a rainy day when I've exhausted all other entertainment options.



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In the Martini scene, they reveal their age: 28 and 29. I am 27 myself and I found their humour to be very realistic. Also who is to say when you get too old to make those kinda jokes?

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I agree with K_Stephansen47. I also thought that their humor was plausible and realistic. What made them - or rather her - immature, was her belief that it would be better with Daniel, and her ungratefulness for what she had with Lou. Also generally she had an air of a person who got married too young out of fear of being alone.

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No confusion. It's a fantasy. Because she is weak she gives in to fantasy instead of living. Real life. If yer willing to yoho a bum you can then daydream " what if". Meanwhile the husband (a wimp) just deals with it as if it's okay. Most unsporaling people.

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Meanwhile the husband (a wimp) just deals with it as if it's okay.



actually I think he probably mostly deals with it almost as a model for how any of us should deal with it....I don't think anybody should probably get crazy and fight for or over or with a straying/faltering partner.

Apart from apologising to her for bad-mouthing her. I can't replay that scene in my head, I've deleted the movie from my DVR now, but can't help wondering or wishing if those apologies were at least slightly acidic?

Even if it sounded genuine, it is possible to extrapolate on such apologies for your own shabby behavior in such circumstances.

"I'm sorry that I even demeaned myself and seemed to care enough to lose phlegm and even bother calling you a *beep* " -?

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I think the writer(s) were confused. Note that this is not a true story, it is just something that a writer or some writers made up.

Note that when it came time for her to tell her husband some critical news, the writers were unable to write the lines; they left what was said to our imagination. Fortunately I was able to rewind, otherwise I would have been really confused.

I sure do not understand the part at the end; the part where the community gets together and the little girl says "now it is time for me to go" or something similar. I do not understand the relevance of the big event, plus it was another instance where I was confused and I had to rewind.

I think that one important message is that there is no master manual to love and happiness, it is confusing for many people, and many of us must figure things our for ourselves. It is unfortunate that so many people expect other people to live with a decision, even if it was a bad decision. Sometimes people do the best they can to make the right decision but society does not have all the answers so people of course make bad decisions. It is unfortunate that people are so judgmental of others that choose to leave behind them a bad decision.

Yes, the part near the end with the threesomes is bizarre and spoils the story. So strange! I think the writers are confused about what they really wanted to say.

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