In the scene where King Stefan is fighting Maleficent, why didn't Aurora tell him that Maleficent had just woken her up, and truly loved her? She just stands there while her father tries to kill the woman who just saved her.
share...why didn't Aurora tell him that Maleficent had just woken her up, and truly loved her?Because the movie had a poorly conceived, poorly written screenplay. share
King Stefan is a prick and an *beep* who would probably throw his own daughter under the bus to get what he wanted; it's what he did to Maleficent, the woman he claimed he loved.
shareKing Stefan is a prick and an *beep* who would probably throw his own daughter under the bus to get what he wanted; it's what he did to Maleficent, the woman he claimed he loved.
But now you're pointing out problems with the entire Sleeping Beauty story. You have a child! She gets cursed! The curse will not commence until she's 16! You send her away! Wait, what? Why send her away? You think they'll be more curses during her life? That's just ridiculous. But hey, that's fairytale writing at it's finest. So why try to dissect other motivations? Maleficient is bitter; Aurora is naive; Stephon is psycho crazy; and don't get me started on the fairies (even those from the book are just ridiculous)!
shareWhy doesn't Aurora act? Why doesn't she have some type of emotional reaction to the death of her father? Heck, in Tangled, Rapunzel looks horrified at the death of the woman who kept her a prisoner for 18 years.
When Maleficent "tried to correct her wrongdoings" she killed someone. I don't understand why that's not a big deal... even IF Aurora felt nothing for her father it should at least raise another red warning flag that this person who cursed her now just killed her father. Aurora isn't very smart.
Second, Maleficent put Aurora into a *death-like coma* from which Maleficent believed there was *no cure*... ever... for something Aurora didn't even do. Then later both (and some people on this board) acted like it was similar to Maleficent ripping Aurora's favorite dress & Maleficent fixing it, so no big deal. Who thinks that way? The story doesn't make any sense. At best, Maleficent is *only* crazy and murderously vengeful who gets out of control and hurts innocents (like babies) when upset. Maleficent only tried to undo the curse only because she later liked Aurora - that's pathetic. And if no one loved Aurora & Aurora was forever in her coma - then no big deal since Maleficent tried to undo it... oh well... really???
So the message to young women/girls is if a loved one tries to kill you and/or a relative, get over it & be their friend & stay in the relationship you had with them because (s)he LOVES YOU. Nice.
Dude, Aurora sees Maleficent's giant-a$$ wings in a glass case in a locked room. I think that's enough to make the kid understand what's going on and sympathise with Maleficent. Especially after the melancholic chat they had in the woods about "why all fairies have wings except for old Maly", the picture seems pretty clear now. Besides, Maleficent had just saved her from a "death-like sleep" and yet her dad and his goons didn't even stop for a second and rejoice. Nah they were too busy trying to murder them both. I mean, sure, Aurora wasn't the target, she was just in the way. But it's Maleficent who warns her to run because no one else seemed to give a flying fudge that she might end up as collateral. And lastly, Maleficent didn't even wanna kill the idiot king, he just wouldn't let it go. He pretty much kamikaze'd himself when he tried to take her out with one last shove. So why the hate?
I mean, yeah, I would have wanted more of a reaction from a semi-dimwitted Aurora on all occasions. But I'm not surprised she ended up forgiving Maleficent.
So yeah, what I'm trying to say is sh!t was complicated. Like, a lot more complicated than you're painting it in your post.
I guess the message you'd like it to send to little girls is "when people wrong you stay hung up on it and embrace black-and-white cliches like villains and heroes without actually trying to figure out the facts, although you live in a semi-medieval world where people hack eachother off for sport and - furthermore - where fairies are real and your dad just mutilated one of them which made her sorta mad but then she was sorry cause she's not really that bad, but we're still gonna root for the dad cause we're modern women who drink Mojitos and know our rights and don't take sh!t from no one, nuh-uh". That better? ^_^
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Dude, Aurora sees Maleficent's giant-a$$ wings in a glass case in a locked room. I think that's enough to make the kid understand what's going on and sympathise with Maleficent.
Besides, Maleficent had just saved her from a "death-like sleep"
yet her dad and his goons didn't even stop for a second and rejoice.
Nah they were too busy trying to murder them both.
And lastly, Maleficent didn't even wanna kill the idiot king, he just wouldn't let it go.
But it's Maleficent who warns her to run because no one else seemed to give a flying fudge that she might end up as collateral.
He pretty much kamikaze'd himself when he tried to take her out with one last shove. So why the hate?
I guess the message you'd like it to send to little girls is "when people wrong you stay hung up on it and embrace black-and-white cliches like villains and heroes without actually trying to figure out the facts, although you live in a semi-medieval world where people hack eachother off for sport and - furthermore - where fairies are real and your dad just mutilated one of them which made her sorta mad but then she was sorry cause she's not really that bad, but we're still gonna root for the dad cause we're modern women who drink Mojitos and know our rights and don't take sh!t from no one, nuh-uh". That better? ^_^
I agree completely he was such a douche that i don't think he would care, after he made the choice to betray her he was determined to kill her. Like he hadn't caused her enough pain right. I was happy with the fact he died he wasn't going to own up to his actions and repent this was the only ending for him after what he did. I think by that point Aurora had seen the faults in her father.
live and let live
Honestly, it seems like Stefan wouldn't have listened to her anyway, as he was in the middle of a raging fight. Not to mention that, by this point, Stefan was obviously insane and he wouldn't have cared about Maleficent's good intention. Besides, let's not forget that Maleficent humilliated him in front of everyone and put a curse on his baby daughter, even though he begged her not to do it. Stefan wasn't going to forgive her anytime soon, given what a bastard he was.
I really felt quite distressed at not receiving an invitation - Maleficent
Yes, Stefan was a bastard, but I hardly consider Maleficent a heroine considering that she placed a curse on an innocent, newborn child. Changing her mind after the fact doesn't get her any credit in my book.
shareWhy are you telling me this? I never said Maleficent was a heroine.
I really felt quite distressed at not receiving an invitation - Maleficent
I feel for you. Everyone gets the same confrontation from him.
No kidding. This guy is all over the place.
I really felt quite distressed at not receiving an invitation - Maleficent
You both have a unique definition of "confrontational".
Not interesting or valid - just unique.
I know I'm going to regret this, but why the hell are you so angry, anyway? I don't remember saying anything nasty to you. And forgive me for asking, I know it's none of my business, but why do you even spend so much time on a message board for a movie that you clearly hate? Mind you, I'm not the biggest fan of this film either, even though I had great expectations, but if I hated it as much as you do, I wouldn't go out of my way to convince the others that this film is absolute crap. I mean, really, what's the point? If you checked the earlier messages, you will see that you tried to convince me that Maleficent wasn't a heroine, when I never even said it.
I really felt quite distressed at not receiving an invitation - Maleficent
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OK - fair question, but please tell me, what exactly is so "angry" in my initial post?
Yes, Stefan was a bastard, but I hardly consider Maleficent a heroine considering that she placed a curse on an innocent, newborn child. Changing her mind after the fact doesn't get her any credit in my book.It was merely a post where I was attempting to emphasize that both characters, Maleficent and Stefan, weren't exactly heroic in my view.
Agreed. And he thinks he's really got something to say and yet, nothing of any substance.
shareGrow up and get over yourself - if that's at all possible.
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Rest assured I'll pass that message along as soon as I find someone who cares what you think. Feel free to hold your breath while you wait.
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Thanks for proving the point that you are confrontational.Uhh...you posted a message attacking and confronting me. Your message, directly attacking/insulting me, was the first message you posted on this string.
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This film is now a couple of years old now.And yet here you are.
Move on. Let it go.By all means, you should.
Go find some other new film to hate on.A blatant lie - I nave never expressed hatred of this movie, nor do I hate it. My only crime appears to be that I don't absolutely adore it. And no, I don't tolerate being attacked merely because I wish to point out and discuss flaws in this movie, or any movie. That's what a discussion board is for.
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It's funny aint it? He thinks that I'll tolerate being attacked and that I should just sit back and let him have his foaming at the mouth. He came at me just like you said and just went into hysterics.
Since then anytime he shows up, it's to attack me. He sure can dish it out but he can't take it. I'd love for someone to tell him that he's a total waste of space for liking a movie and knowing him he'd go all nuts and fill up pages of threads then have someone tell him what he loves to espouse on others.
Get this, he even says that any post over one sentence long is a sign of insecurity and yet, look at his flailing. And failing.
He's got lots of long-winded posts. Major insecurity there. Gotta laugh at the irony here. Anyway, thanks for your input. I always enjoy reading what you have to say. 
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Let's see......you stated about me:
...he rambles on and tries to lecture me!after I responded to this "brief" posting to me by you:
Your crybaby attitude is showing and your assumptions are hilarious.
One, I certainly don't have any such army nor did I go crying to anyone nor anyone to me. I just saw your post and thought that you should grow the hell up.
Two, there was nothing confrontational or attack-worthy in my statement. I simply said that your own statement was projection. And I have read some of the topics here for a while and have seen you going after others and even inserting your own bs even when something didn't even concern you. You attacked plenty of folks here and you have the nerve to act all innocent.
Three, your smug put down was simply returned to you and intsead of being an adult about it and accepting that at least two other people didn't like your tone, condescending and laughably childish posts, you are here shaking your fists claiming some army is after you and that you were attacked.
LOL.
I'll say it again; you can feel free to get over it.
This film is now a couple of years old now. Move on. Let it go. Go find some other new film to hate on. Lord knows you need something to hate.
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How about YOU get over me? Creep.
There's nothing I need to "get over" being that to me, you are nothing.
How about you and your toadie go back to the Hobbit board and get over me?
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Nothing so much that you feel compelled to respond to everything I say even when it doesn't even involve you? Little boy, maybe you should go back to your little "toadie" and cry over people not being so easy bullied on this board.
Stefan was only a bastard because Woolverton's plot needed him to be a bastard.
shareYou guys got to be kidding me! Its pretty obvious that Stefan did not give a d##m about neither his wife or Aurora. He sent his daughter away for 16 years, didn't go visit her, didn't even check up on her. As a result she didn't even know who her real father was. When his daughter finally made it back to the castle to see Stefan, he didn't even speak to her, just locked her in a room! LOL He didn't care about his wife who died offscreen, even when his men kept telling him about her illness. So Stefan is not going to care who woke Aurora up from her sleep. All he ever cared about was power, then getting revenge on Maleficent.
How can anyone even HINT that Mal was the bad guy compared to Stefan?? Just because of the curse?? Which she broke, herself! Come on man, any woman in this chat would've did the same thing to a dude that betrayed you like that, and married/had child with another woman.
I like the way this whole thread got totally off the point. :P Aurora in an incredibly innocent and naive girl. She feels gratitude and affection for Maleficent. Her father is trying to kill Maleficent. As far as she knows, her father is doing it because he believes Maleficent is a horrible, destructive woman. Aurora doesn't believe that, and she doesn't want Maleficent to die. She knows little to nothing about her father's character. She would just assume that he would leave Maleficent alone if he heard that she did something good, and yet she said nothing. Whether Stefan or Maleficent is worse than the other has nothing to do with Aurora;s perception of the situation. It probably was just bad story-telling.
shareIf I recall, Maleficent didn't kill Stefan, it looks like he slipped to his death and she wanted to save him, but couldn't, due to him putting himself in iron armous, knowing that iron is Kryptonite to Fairies.
shareIf I recall, Maleficent didn't kill Stefan, it looks like he slipped to his death and she wanted to save him, but couldn't, due to him putting himself in iron armous
when there is a group of armed knigths fighting a dragon and everything around is burning you go and try to shout across a massive hall to a knight in battle why he should not kill his target. do tell us how that went out for you.
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Yeah, but it happens a lot in movies, where people have conversations in the midst of total chaos. Even if it didn't go far, it seems weird that Aurora didn't even try. Even if all her father heard was a girl's voice saying "stop!", he would have looked up and seen his daughter.
shareI'd argue that Aurora was in shock over what was happening and was not thinking clearly. It is quite fair assumption that she has never in her life before saw an actual fight, let alone one with a dragon in it.
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Bad writing. Some many flaws in the storytelling.. A disgrace to the original fairy tale and/or the Disney animated version.
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