How unbelievable is it that a psychotherapist would have no security at all around her building, especially when dealing with patients like that? He was able to just kidnap her and take her out of the premises with no guard or receptionist around? Only blemish in a great film.
That is one point I sort of agree with. I thought psychotherapists had a button they push that calls security, not unlike a home alarm would. I would think that would almost be a requirement, I know I'd want one. I kept waiting for her to push a button under the desk.
Since she mentions she's in a government job (or something like that) it would seem more likely there would be more security but we don't know if, for example, he kept her in her office until everyone else went home. I did wonder how he taped her arms and legs and carried her around without anyone noticing but Milton is a small town so it's possible. I've been seeing a psychiatrist for about 15 years and on a few occasions he and I have been the only people in his office (shared with other psychs and therapists) but I see him privately and not because I was locked up for years after killing my mother... mom is still locked in the fruit cellar.
The thing I wondered about is that Dave, the coworker who went to Jerry's apartment to check on Alison, was apparently killed by some tripwire contraption but there's no sign of anything when Jerry returns with the doctor. Of course the police wouldn't be obviously waiting in front but you'd think they'd have been close enough to move in as soon as he got there, even before he got into his apartment.
Small quibbles, though, for such a good movie.
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I believe you're mistaken -- Dave was not killed. He vomited after he fled the apartment, then the scene cuts to Jerry in the vehicle some time later. We can assume that Dave and John went to the police in the interim. _________________________________ "I'm sorry, but.." is a self-contained lie.
That makes a lot more sense and is more "in character" with Jerry since he wasn't intentionally violent. Thanks! I don't know why I thought the depiction of Dave running down the steps and the "whoosh" noise meant he'd been killed, but haven't ruled out stupidity...
I want to watch the movie again but hope it will be on DVD soon so I don't have to pay $6.99 for another 24 hour viewing marathon. This one is definitely a keeper!
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not really unbelievable, i work in that field and many work without a recepcionist or security, in fact a lot start their practice in their own home, since sessions are 1 hour+long, its not really practical to hire someone full time to wait on people, there arent really walk ins, and the ones in crisis usually call, unless its a clinic of some sort.
patients arent really dangerous,the dangerous ones are institutionalized, they wont go to therapy out of their own volition, and they are treated inside prisons and hospitals, since their behavior makes them unable to do a simple thing like set up a meet and go to therapy, they are too far gone for that and they need to be stabilized and evaluated if they are candidates for therapy first..
most patients are really more a danger to themselves than others, there are ocassionally patients with violent outbursts who threaten or break things and patients who confuse therapy with a personal relationship and may want to call you up at improper time or for personal things (like texting you hey whats up?) or see you socially, but there are ways to handle such things that dont involve having a red button that goes straight to thepolice (ive never heard of such a thing installed actually)
In fact instead of patienets themselves i have been worried about husbands of women who want counseling because of divorce or violence (i know of one case who followed the wifes therapist into a parking lot and demanded she stopped polluting his wife)
This also explains why several times, she asks him whether he is having suicidal thoughts. She is very concerned that he may hurt himself, but not until the end does she realize he was actually a danger to others (when she makes the joke about killing someone).
The whole final third of the film was filled with logic holes that took this movie from a great movie to a movie where I have to totally shut my brain off to say I enjoy.
From the coworkers investigating Jerry themselves instead of involving the cops, to the lack of security/reception/associates at the therapists office, to the cops seemingly taking all day to get to his house.
It feels like this great movie went completely into lazy and contrived territory after Anna Kendrick dies. It was maddening.
From the coworkers investigating Jerry themselves instead of involving the cops, to the lack of security/reception/associates at the therapists office, to the cops seemingly taking all day to get to his house.
I'm with you. It really bugged me that the one female coworker not only went to Jerry's house looking for Lisa, but did so right after learning that he was committed to a mental institution for killing his mother. On her own, instead of calling the police. That one made me scoff.
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I don't think it's too far fetched that she'd go by herself. "Hello, police, my co-worker hasn't been at work today. Yeah, she went to date yesterday and didn't show up today. It must be something illegal! Also I think the date had bad childhood, so there's that."
I mean, come on? Consider what she knew at that point and it's not that weird.
Did the article even say that he killed her mother, or just that he was there?
By that point two of her co-workers had been missing - one of them was last seen with the guy who was institutionalized for killing his mother, and the other happened to ditch him the night she went missing. I'm sure the police would actually see a red flag there. Or at least after all three of them 'disappeared'. I don't understand why the two guys would go by themselves instead of calling the police.
Some people really are that stupid. Stranger things have happened. Also it is very common for therapists to not have security or even a receptionist (see above comment made by someone else)
A few of my therapists operated straight out of their home
Based on my experience, very few therapists actually have security of any sort. Clients and patients who are known to be violent are often institutionalized or are in residential treatment homes, so the ones who are out and about generally do not pose harm to the public, or to their therapists. I would point out that although this is a decent Hollywood portrayal of a therapist, there were a few things I wish the therapist would have asked Jerry about a bit more, such as the voices. She also probably should have contacted the Department of Corrections when he stated he does not always take his medication, especially if he has been court-ordered to do so.
A receptionist, maybe. Certainly not a guard, I've never seen that. But it depends entirely on who, what, where. Some psychiatrists see people from their own home office, it's not like every place is the same.
I think the problem is that Jerry was being treated as a much lower risk patient than he was. He killed his mom as a child, a psychotic mom who heard voices and told him to kill her. Given his youth and the fact that he hadn't killed anyone (that the state is aware of) since his childhood (which we're going to assume is a good 20-30 years since?) it's perfectly reasonable he would be downgraded to a low-risk, low-security facility where there wouldn't be intense security.
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When I was getting my masters in clinical psychology, I interned at a government run outpatient facility for people with mental health issues, drug problems, and developmental delays. Many of them were court ordered to be there, but most came on their own accord. A good amount of people presented similarly to Jerry. They had schizophrenia, heard voices, saw things that weren't there, etc. There was no security whatsoever in any of the therapists' offices. The building was old and run down. There were no fancy buttons to push in case of an emergency. These facilities are run solely on the government-provided insurance that the clients use to attend the sessions. You can guess how far that money gets you...
It would be extremely unusual for someone that has been coming regularly to therapy to just snap one day with no indication whatsoever that it was going to occur. Of course, if you're not in the field, it seems like a scary, looming prospect.