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McStay Family Case - Chase Merritt - Hearing postponed


Are we ever going to be able to hear the evidence?!! The preliminary hearing for Chase Merritt was supposed to happen in April, but it was pushed back to May 19. This is a good article that gives some interesting information (the defense is saying there was no blood of the McStays found in the McStay home, although LE claims they were bludgeoned there), and includes a statement from Merritt to the media.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/apr/03/chase-merritt-pre-preliminary-hearing/2/?#article-copy

Two quick observations:

1. It struck me that, in what seems like his first public statement, Charles Merritt never says, "I did not murder this family. I would never do this sort of thing." He merely repeats that he wants whoever did this to be brought to justice.

My psychoanalytical interpretation? :) Maybe Chase did have an accomplice in the murders. Perhaps he is consciously or unconsciously referring to this accomplice as the "real perpetrator" in order to "lie without really lying." Like some sort of twisted code of ethics. It's interesting to think about!

2. Chase and his advisers are saying there was no blood from the McStays found in the house. It seems as if they're stating that as if to say, "See? There's no way a murder/foul play could have happened!" But I believe the family could have been harmed there without blood evidence. Maybe they were knocked out (either with an object or with chloroform, as BrandiStarBright has mentioned), moved to a second location, and THEN bludgeoned. Or maybe with all the home renovation going on Chase made up an excuse to cover a room in Dexter-like plastic sheeting, and then made sure to bludgeon them to death in there. There is more than one possible scenario.

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The 'bludgeoned to death in the house' thing has always bothered me. I'm not saying it COULDN'T happen, just that it seems so incredibly UNLIKELY when there are four victims and only one perpetrator. Unless they were knocked out somehow, first...but how would Merritt have pulled that off? He'd have to have physical access to the house and/or garage, for example, if he did something like carbon monoxide poisoning. Or he'd have to physically approach EACH of the four victims with something like chloroform...and I just don't see that happening. Putting something in their drinks? Perhaps, but, again he'd need physical access AND have to not raise anyone's suspicions. See the problem? No matter what method he could've used, every one of them requires physical access to the four victims and/or the house. I don't know how he did that.

Now, if he had at least one accomplice, the whole scenario changes. Let's say they both went into the house and had guns pointed at the parents, and told them to get the kids and obey what they were told, and the parents complied, thinking nothing would happen as long as they obeyed them. I don't know...this doesn't seem likely to me. I think he acted alone. But how?


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All he would need to do is separate the husband and take care of him first right? He could have entered in and got the husband in the garage to talk, after that he could approach the wife and surprise her. By then it's not really something I want to think about, but it all seems like one guy could have done it, I'm just not sure how the heck he did it in the house without there being a lot of blood.

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It wouldn't necessarily take Dexter-amounts of plastic to guard against blood. I've seen bludgeoning cases where the offender simply drapes a blanket/pillow/etc. over or around the head of their victim, and you'd be surprised how much that can reduce spatter. A careful killer would still be concerned about pooling and castoff, and that may be where a tarp or plastic come into play. You wouldn't need to cover a whole room in it, just the area where you're committing the act. It does seem incredible that NO blood was found at all though, which is why I'm expecting that to be proven untrue at trial. If something like chloroform was used on some or all of the victims it's possible they may not have been conscious for the bludgeoning or in the case of the kids may have even overdosed on the chemical. If you're already willing to beat 4 people to death I doubt you'd worry too much about how much chloroform you used on them beforehand.

In terms of transportation - and all of what I'm about to say is really macabre, I know - it would be easier to bundle the children together so that you would only have to carry 3 bundles of bodies, and they would still be fairly light. Depending on how much a killer is willing to manipulate body positions, you can compress a corpse into quite a tight space. If bedding or plastic wrap was used to contain blood that would make another load to carry, unless you disposed of it simultaneously along with one or more of the bodies. Using some really grim creativity, it would be possible for someone to minimize the amount of trips they'd need to make to a vehicle this way. I do have a hard time imagining CM using that much foresight and still being stupid enough to do the job himself and risk being seen going back and forth to the vehicle carrying that much though.

There are a number of ways a single person could get control of a large number of victims, but all of them are risky, which makes me wonder if he began this at a time when someone (Joey, most likely) was not home. If it was just Summer with the kids it might have been as easy as threatening their lives to get her to comply, and then ambushing Joey when he returned home. I can't imagine a scenario where they were not bound before being killed, but you'd think once it became clear to them that they would be murdered those parents would've been fighting like hell for the sake of their children. Once again I'm going to stray into the realm of the really awful and suggest that one of the children may have been harmed, as a "see what I can do if you don't comply?" thing. Common sense dictates that any killer would want to neutralize the threat posed by the man first though, to eliminate the strongest physical threat and force compliance from the remaining family. I can never stop myself from wondering if the children were forced to watch or listen as their parents were murdered near them. What a terrible, pointless crime. :(

I think it's very possible that there was at least one accomplice, if not during the murders then at least in the disposal process. Since no one has come forward that we know of I'm inclined to think it may be someone with experience doing this kind of thing, giving them reason not to snitch. Either way CM could have had access to the house by something as simple as having a copy of the house key made. I need to go refresh my memory of the timeline of this case, this thread has got me all riled up again.

I'm SO FREAKING BEYOND READY to hear the damn evidence in this case! This was one of the most baffling missing persons cases and has become one of the most horrific murders, and the person or people who did this need to be exposed for the POS they are. I just hope prosecution actually has a strong case without too many gaps, I'd hate to see anyone walk for this. There has to be something tying CM to the actual bludgeoning, or someone that he hired to do it. I'm very curious who he's going to point the finger at, if anyone. In the statement he gave it seems like he's gearing up to present an alternate suspect. And I swear if he dies of heart failure before this is over... [insert expletives here.] Ugh, I'm nervous about the whole thing.

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This is the first case I've felt inclined to follow since the Casey Anthony debacle. With that, I followed EVERYTHING about it, I watched Nancy Grace and Jane Velez-Mitchell every day, I followed every development, every detail, every aspect of the trial--and when the verdicts were read, I nearly had a heart attack. ๎€† After that I washed my hands of [contemporary] true crime cases/trials. I just couldn't stomach the idea of getting THAT invested again in something that was so OBVIOUSLY true, only to have a jury say it was false.


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-nods- That's the exact case that makes me afraid for this one's outcome. I always think about if it feels like such a punch in the gut for me, someone totally unconnected to the case from halfway across the country, how intense must the shock and disappointment be for the families? I don't know how they have the strength to endure it. I watched a lot of the Casey Anthony trial during breaks in our room at Disney World that year, it was a surreal experience. I was too young during the OJ trial to understand the impact of that verdict, so Casey Anthony was my first true 'trial failure of the century' experience. It's really eye opening how incredibly difficult a job it is to be in law enforcement when even cases that look so obvious can still fall completely apart at trial.

Honestly though getting back into the McStay case is almost a break compared to the case I've been obsessed with and immersed in for several years now (the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker.) At least this case has a damn suspect being brought up on charges! True crime is so emotionally draining. Much respect to the men and women who do investigate this for a living for decades.

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The Casey Anthony thing was just, well, such a travesty of justice. As for OJ...that one is kind of weird, for me. I KNEW he did it, yet I was kind of pulling for him to get off. I know, it doesn't make sense, but there it is. Later on, however, I wished he had been found guilty, and when he went to prison on unrelated charges I felt like it was karma biting him in the ass. ๎€†

I understand what you mean about being an unrelated observer, yet getting REALLY involved in cases like these.

So the Original Night Stalker is one of your interests? Do you recall how/when you became interested in that?

I've been fascinated by the Elizabeth Short/Black Dahlia case for as long as I can remember. Even though every passing day makes it more unlikely the crime will ever be solved, I still wish it would be!


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(Note: I went fairly off topic so this got pretty long, but I just can't help myself. I never get to talk about this stuff IRL so it kinda pours out of me online, heh.)

I first learned of the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker in an episode of Cold Case Files. They played a taunting message he had left on one of his rape victim's answering machine saying "gonna kill you... gonna kiiilll yooouuu" and it literally made the hair stand up on the back of my neck, which has never happened before or since in relation to any other crime I've studied. I was very shocked that such a prolific serial predator who has never been caught was so unknown to the public. I've had an interest in true crime since childhood, but until that episode I had never heard of the case. IMO he should be right up there with Bundy, Dahmer, Gacy and the like in terms of notoriety. I strongly believe the case will eventually be solved, but it might take much longer if most people outside of California don't know of his crimes.

EAR/ONS is one of those cases where the more you read about it, the deeper you get sucked into the mystery and the stronger the hunger for justice grows. This guy was so brazen and reckless that it is truly mindboggling that he was never caught. His DNA is on record, his general appearance is known, a psychological profile has been made, his MO is very specific and he committed hundreds of crimes of varying severity. Yet he could very well still be alive and free, possibly still committing crimes. It's quite chilling.

The Black Dahlia case is very interesting too, although I don't know much more than the basic details. I'm not sure it's solvable at this point, but stranger things have happened. Cold cases are uniquely fascinating, aren't they?

My main true crime passions are missing persons, unsolved/cold homicides, and unidentified homicide victims. I really wish ID would have a series that showcased unidentified bodies and brought up cases where there are more victims to retrieve but law enforcement is doing nothing about it. Examples: After EAR/ONS the cases I'm most interested in are Rodney Alcala's. The man had SO many more victims than his official body count suggests, and I'm constantly on forums looking for updates on the attempts to identify the hundreds of women from his photo collection. Gacy also has several unidentified victims. Then there's the really upsetting and haunting picture of an unknown victim of Dean Corll, plus several victims that are still buried on a beach in a KNOWN LOCATION but no one has ever moved to retrieve them. That is unacceptable to me.

Wouldn't it be great if people could use things like Kickstarter to fund a retrieval dig in cases like that? The fact that law enforcement almost never reaches out to internet sleuthers for help seems like such a tremendous waste. There are people that would do this kind of stuff for free, hell, I'm sure some would even pay the investigators as long as they could truly have an opportunity to help with a case! I know I certainly feel like I missed my calling in the criminology field, but I'll settle for being an armchair detective if I must. :)

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Who cares if it's long, Adiane? Not me, that's for sure! ๎€น

Thanks for the info on your interests. By the way, you mentioned missing your calling in criminology, but I want to ask, WHY? Why not do something in it now? It's never too late to start a new career, or an additional career, or hobby, or whatever. You're obviously very detail-oriented and interested in the fine points of certain cases, so why not do something with that interest/ability? You could turn out to be the missing link in solving some old/cold/difficult cases. Just a thought.

We sound SO MUCH alike in terms of where our interests lie, i.e., true crime, cold cases, missing persons, etc. And we watch the same shows! ๎€‡

Do you have any thoughts on the Zodiac Killer? I'd love to hear them if so.


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Thanks for this -- as well as everyone else's -- awesome and thoughtful response. I don't have much to add, because I agree with so much of your theorizing.

"There has to be something tying CM to the actual bludgeoning, or someone that he hired to do it"

Something tells me that the evidence pointing to CM will be on the bedspread/plastic sheeting/whatever used to bundle the bodies, which I think will have been buried with the bodies. I'm thinking there will be DNA or fingerprints on these items.

Here we are on June the 3rd and still no pretrial hearing! Argh! ๐Ÿ˜ Latest date is June 15th. Now CM has an official team of attorneys, so hopefully there will be no other extenuating circumstances to delay the hearing. I too hope that this man's heart holds out so that he can receive full justice if justice is due!

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I wonder if the trial is going to be aired anywhere. I used to love Court TV! Then it morphed into TruTV, which is a huge misnomer, as its lineup included fake 'reality' shows like Operation Repo. ๎€ฒ

Since the Casey Anthony case I've had ZERO interest in watching, or even keeping up on, any high profile trials. I just couldn't stomach the idea of watching ANOTHER travesty of justice. But I'm really interested in this case and am leaning toward following it, including watching it if it's available.


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http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20160202/mcstay-family-murder-suspect-to-represent-himself-at-trial

the latest I could find..... from feb 2016, so this guy fired all 4 of his attorneys and is representing himself in court,

A jury trial and readiness hearing have been scheduled for late March.

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