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Was Prince Edward ahead of his time by 60 years?


Like all human beings, Crown Prince Edward had his own share of shortcomings and flaws but in his very visible and highly public standing in life, those shortcomings and flaws were notably magnified.

Yet, like all human beings, Edward did possess some admirable traits I can't help but admire, wondering if the man was perhaps born too early, ahead of his time by 60 years. His conduct, replicated to some degree by today's Prince Harry, was shocking back in 1936, but would be more tolerated, if not amusing today.

FLAWS: I post these here for the benefit of the critics and trolls and Edward and Wallis-haters.

1) Edward possessed above-average intelligence, but was intellectually a lightweight.
2) Had a fondness for married women.
3) Allegedly had a man-crush for Hitler, but this is still highly controversial and debatable. I still think much of this was blown out of proportion because as visitors to pre-WWII Germany, Edward had to present himself in a diplomatic frame. Diplomats have to learn the art of a-kissing for visiting foreign countries and meeting leaders of state. Germany was not yet an enemy of Britain in 1936 and so Edward at least had to be nice publicly to his Nazi hosts.
4) It is certain that Edward harbored racial prejudices for black people, allegedly saying a few nasty things about them. That is related to perhaps another flaw, saying everything that is on your mind.
5) Obviously was a party animal who never overcame his frat boy party predilection. In short, Edward didn't want to grow up.

GOOD POINTS:
1) Americans can find something likeable about Edward because to us, he was so, well, to put it this way, very 'unroyal-like'. He despised fawning and kowtowing and wanted to be appreciated much for who he was as a person, much as Princes William and Harry are like today. He didn't want to put on royal airs as if he were untouchable by a ten-foot invisible barrier around him. His desire to be a normal fun-loving dude worked both for and against his image. Certainly the British lower classes liked that while the royal family and the governing members of the British Parliament didn't. I mean, you and I couldn't simply walk up to him and call him, 'David', but if you were invited into his social circle of close acquaintances and friends, you would be charmed by his sincere casualness and informality.

2) It clear that Edward harbored a sincere sympathy for the plight of the British working classes, caught up in the economic travails of the Great Depression, still ongoing in the mid-30s. But Edward was extremely frustrated at his constitutional legal inability to do much about it, since he was largely a figurehead monarch. All he could really do is sympathize and comfort the British people, which he may have felt guilty about doing, because he knew that's all he could do and it would do very little. Edward was full aware of the limitations of the British monarch and this may have given Edward little incentive to desire sitting on a powerless throne which carried lot of work - useless make-work that only looked useful - with little enjoyment. So in Edward's logic, which seems logical to me, why take on a job with long hours and lots of boring, drudgery with little compense nor enjoyment. Edward would have preferred his father King George IV live forever so he could remain No. 1 prince, which was more fun.

MORAL OF THE STORY:
1) Like so many unfortunate American celebrities, fame and fortune are not always all cut out to be what it's supposed to be. You can keep the fame and I'll have the fortune. It's not all a path to enduring happiness.
2) I'm so glad that I haven't fallen victim to a nearly pathological, obsessive, "love" as Edward suffered. To view what happens to an aristocratic woman who suffers the same condition, watch the excellent, underrated foreign movie, "Mad Joan" (Juana Loca), the early 16th century young queen of Spain who maintained an obsession for her dashingly handsome Flemish duke husband, who proved to be a thorough womanizer. Think of a female Edward who speaks Spanish.
3) Don't play with fire, as Wallis Simpson did. She was caught up in all the glitz, glamour, royal prestige, social circles, fun, parties, travels that Prince Edward offered, the opportunities of a lifetime for any human girl who fantasizes about being with a royal prince. It's possible Wallis was happy to be a groupie mistress girlfriend. But clearly she let herself get way into deep. Finally she couldn't extricate herself from a man who had all the means necessary to make her his. The hunter became the hunted. Wallis unknowingly built her own golden-guilded cage. But I don't doubt that she in turn loved Edward, not as obsessively, though. She stayed with him to death. Prestige meant a lot to Wallis, so any other man besides Edward, even with his human flaws, was going to mean stepping down the social class ladder, something Wallis would never have countenanced.

Thanks all, for your patience in reading my long post.

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you need to read some more about the man. He LOVED the kowtowing, and his pretence of not caring about royal pomp was just indicative of his personal laziness and lack of committment.

If you investigate some of his personal correspondence it is quite clear what he thought of Hitler. which is why he shook his hand. He was also incredibly racist.

Your defence is somewhat lacking. That said, I am glad he abdicated. Elizabeth would have been queen eventually, owing to the fact they had no kids, but that would have meant years without a wonderful monarch.

So exactly how was he 60 years ahead of his time? Because he was idle, shiftless and liked sponging off wealthy sycophants? Because he preferred a life of pointless celebrity? If that is what you mean, then you are right?

Edward's father was George V. not IV.

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Herein lies the conumdrum. You and I simply weren't there to actually witness what happened.
All we have to go on is historical accounts, many written by critics and enemies of Edward and Wallis.
I know the man is not perfect, by far. Like I wrote, in his highly public position, all his flaws and any good traits were highly magnified.

As in basic college journalism, you learn how to lionize a person you admire and you learn how to denigrate someone you don't, mostly by expressing and exposing and magnifying either their postive traits and accomplishments, or conversely, the negative and flaws and mistakes. This happens all the time in American news media.

(Example: the liberal American news media torpedoed a famous Republican Virginia senator's re-election campaign in 1997 by constantly re-showing an unfortunate news session where the senator called a journalist of Indian ethnicity, 'maccaca', which Americans learned was a European French derogatory epithet. Conversely, democrat VP Joe Biden was caught on tape mocking the Indian accents of the technical assistants on long-distance tech assistance calls. But only one news outlet showed it...FOX.) It's what you show and don't show to ensure people know or don't know what you want them to know or not to know...that counts. In other words, the truth is what I tell you it is and none other.

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Read Edward's autobiography. His own words give a rather unpleasant picture of the man

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^^^This. Even in his own autobiography, which I went into with an open mind, hoping to learn how he felt about things that may have been misinterpreted by others, he comes off as a vainglorious "poor me, I'm a victim of circumstance" man who is not writing his own story so much as trying to whitewash his character as much as possible.

He even tries to lie outright about the whole financial dirty dealings which are a matter of record. He lied and attempted to blackmail his brother the King by threatening to act out even worse and push the monarchy already toppling because of his actions further toward disaster, not giving a damn about the challenges his country was facing as WWII churned on.

He complained about not being allowed to help his country after giving up his place. He complained about lack of respect shown to him and his wife while he respected no one, even demanding that his brother drop everything to come to the phone and listen to his complaints night and day as if the new King didn't have a mess to clear up and a war to fight.

Even when given a job by the government, he did little and complained a lot until they let him quit. This is so far from the attitudes of Princes William and Harry today as to be laughable.

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Then there’s the whole refusing to return to England when France was falling. They went to Portugal instead, leaking national secrets to the nazis and requesting and receiving assistance from the nazis to send a maid back to Paris to retrieve bed linens. They kept making excuses to put off sailing back to England. Finally Churchill insisted they got on the boat or else.

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As for his racism, unfortunately you have to put it in the context of the time period. People, especially of his class were raised that way. Obviously any one with a modicum of human decency would be able to think for themslves (and therfore not perpetuate it. Look at Diana) but I won't begin to try to put myself in the mindset of the upper classes much less a man of that time period. There are many historical figures that I admire, but I don't always agree with every one of their views. That was a different time period and I take that in to account.






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I know the Queen Mother and Prince Philip had racist moments, so it's no surprise that a man born in the 1890's would have them as well.
I've been wondering for awhile why Americans like Wallis and Edward; perhaps it's because dealing all his flaws he went against an out of date archaic system.

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I've been wondering for awhile why Americans like Wallis and Edward; perhaps it's because dealing all his flaws he went against an out of date archaic system


No, it's because they buy the love story. They're caught up in the romanticism that he gave up his thrown for her.

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Edward loved fawning and kowtowing. He put on airs all the time. Ffs, the Windsors homes were decorated with elements to make them seem like a small scale Palace, with monograms on everything, including St Edwards crown. He insisted that Wallis be addresses as HRH, despite not having that title extended to her by the king (and later, the queen).

As for sympathizing with the common man, that’s a crock. They treated commoners abysmally. They never tipped, they never gave holiday gifts to their own employees. They paid their employees 20-30% less than the going rate. they wrote checks for everything, counting on the fact that the recipient might keep the check as an autograph instead of cashing it.

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