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I liked the film quite a bit. It's a long way from say, Cabin in the Woods, as an outstanding example of its genre--still, I liked that they could go about in daytime, but still had to be invited in to a dwelling.

One problem: the Brotherhood's intransigence re: women. Sure, they go way, way back, well prior to the Industrial Revolution & beginning of women's emancipation. & some, like Savella, go back even further, plus he's apparently an old soldier, used to the company of men.

Still, in order to survive the Brotherhood must change with the times: they're not still walking around in Medieval or Napoleanic Era garb, after all. & it's clear that women can create, so why not start letting them?

Further, (& I haven't researched this, I admit), don't Irish/Gaelic legends usually portray women in a more substantial role than say Norse or other Continental-based sagas?

Seemed odd is all.

Then there was Ruthven. A Royal Navy captain. He goes to the island with Darvell. He enters the shrine to find Darvell's body, but is not himself transformed. Years pass, & Darvell returns to give Ruthven the map. But now that Ruthven sees what the shrine can do, why does he even need the map? An ordinary person might forget how to locate the island, but a retired seaman?

Furthermore, & even more nitpicky, if the boatman who bring them there won't step foot on its soil, then they must have some idea of its significance, & they surely need no map to find it. So just find the boatmen, & they'll find the island for you.

Yeah, too much time on my hands.
But a fine movie & interesting spin on the genre, all in all.

Ps: After watching this & say, True Blood, does anyone else wonder if vampires wouldn't be able to save home buyers money & possible litigation by performing title searches ... just ask the right person to invite you in. If it works, the title's sound:)

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He wasn't changed himself becuase he wasn't prepared to die. Only when he got the std or whatever fatal illness, did he change. You have to be prepared to die to be changed.

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yeah, I think Clara said the the daughter before she lea her into the cave something like only those prepared to die will have the gift of eternal life... or something to that effect

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Or if the brother didn't want women to be changed, and they are vast and strong, why not post a few brothers at the shrine to ensure nobody comes there uninvited?

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Would have saved themselves a lot of trouble lol



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Still, in order to survive the Brotherhood must change with the times: they're not still walking around in Medieval or Napoleanic Era garb, after all. & it's clear that women can create, so why not start letting them?


Your problem is that you're not looking at it from their perspective. Think about your grand parents generation and how hard a time they sometimes have adapting to the times. Now imagine your grandparents lives for several hundred years and held onto outdated concepts from that time. Why would these vampires be any different?

Their outfits may change, but their mind does not.

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I think that Darvell had adjusted to the times. It was likely a big part of why he chose to side with Clara at the end -that and he clearly had feelings for her.

As for the island, I got the impression that one had to be given the map because it was a formal invitation. Like, having the map was the invitation to actually have the transformation done to you.

I got the impression that Eleanor didn't know what was in store when she first went there. She likely wasn't "prepared to die" as events had happened so quickly for her. (It looked like she was at the island wearing the same clothes from the night at the orphanage -meaning it was just a few days after Ruthven raped her.) Darvell, Clara and -at the end- Frank, had all been dealing with fatal (Well, in the early 1800's, what Clara and Darvell had were fatal. They would likely have been effectively treated in the 21st Century.) diseases for a long time and were ready to take the big step. For Frank, it really was a double-blessing. He said he was tired of being ill (hence, ready to die) and by becoming a vampire he also got to be with Eleanor permanently.

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it's clear that women can create, so why not start letting them?


Putting on a Dan Brown hat, think of the Chalice / Holy Feminine angle. Giving life in this way is incompatible with the Brotherhood's batty-cave way.

Extrapolate this into the Blade universe, and there's the worst case scenario -- a halfling who hunts vampires.

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