jesus and tara...
really...they were having that discussion.
shareAnd I heard they never did that in the comics. Jesus just swept in and killed (what a sentence when taken out of context) because he knew how bad the Saviors were.
Perhaps Scott Gimple is trying to throw in a 'moral/ethical dilemma' twist, but it looks really absurd right now to me, because many of them are likely to cause more problems and kill Alexandrians and Hilltop survivors. You know how remorseless, violent, dangerous and untrustworthy the Saviors are. They wouldn't flinch a second if a husband is killed in front of his pleading wife. That's the difference between Rick's group and people like the Saviors.
Yes, it looks like that's what they're trying to do. They are blurring the lines between Rick's group and the Saviors. Negan tells his people that Rick's group wants to kill them all and from what some of them have seen, they are going to believe him. To the Saviors, Rick's group are the villains- this episode was calling back to the first time they attacked the outpost. There was the thing on the road with Daryl, Abraham, etc., (but that group was acting out of bounds) Negan hadn't even threatened Alexandria at that time and Rick only attacked them on behalf of the Hilltop. That caused Negan to retaliate and kill Abraham + Glenn. Then Carl sneaks in and kills some Saviors, Negan finds some admiration for Carl and brings him back to show how he can be reasonable. Rosita tries to kill him and Daryl kills Fat Joey, Negan brings Sasha back and everyone pretty much commits to killing each other.
Jesus on the show has an understanding of what the new, larger world is supposed to be, and that world needs the Saviors to survive the war and become allies. Rick in the premier was torn between wrath and mercy, at the end he says his mercy prevails. I think that part actually happens at the end of the war, and in episode 2 he still wants to kill all the Saviors.
Jesus on the show has an understanding of what the new, larger world is supposed to be, and that world needs the Saviors to survive the war and become allies.
But I don't understand why the future world would need Saviors to survive. Why would any good group want to be allies with them?
I have a vague understanding of where the comics have went (someone kind of spoiled it) but I'm still not a fan of that idea. I don't think that would or should happen in real life. Saviors are like brutal dictatorships. Rick/Ezekial are like normal-functioning Democracies. As Gabriel said, Rick is a good leader because he doesn't rule like a dictator. There's more equality and people have a voice. share
The better world is more like a decentralized set of communities who live in peace and thrive by trading. Like the oceanside group has access to fish, they can trade with another group for produce, etc. The Saviors have access to a very important resource in the comics, but before the war, they had not realized they could trade it to get pretty much everything they spend most their time taking from others. If there is a threat to one of the groups, all of them will answer their call for aid. The more groups participate in this system, the larger and more stable it becomes. Of course, this presents a new set of problems, but it's good for the show because it's been hitting on the same 2 or 3 themes and there's not much more they can do with them that they haven't already.
share"'moral/ethical dilemma' twist"
Just about every other character has had one these over the last 7 seasons. To be honest it is getting quite old. I'm sick of this angle. Now Morgan has gone from dad to psycho (clear) and pacifist and now he's going back to super killer. This is getting quite boring.