There's actually a tweet, by one of the writer showrunners which suggests that Duke may have been no more than a figment of Dwight's imagination. Kind of odd, but the talk was that if anyone would have been able to see Duke as a ghost, it would be who he was closest to, which was Nathan. Dwight and Duke barely put up with each other most of the time and were friendly acquaintences at best later. So, fignment may be more accurate than an actual ghost, especially since a writer put that out there and none of them have suggested anything else, other than Paige would soon have begun remembering herself being Audrey.
Next, the ring had no apparent magic properties other than void guidance and since Audrey had one too, I'd hope Duke would have appeared to her as well, to tell her Nathan hadn't left of his own free will and was trying to get back to her. So, I'm leaning in the direction of figment, since it was a writer who made that comment. I'm still open to ghost, but even as a ghost, aether isn't part of him anymore and never was in the way it is/was with Audrey or James. That's how I believe James being reborn as a baby was possible.
Again Duke was mortal, the Colorado kid was only half and was more special than typical halflings like Dave, because his mother had aether infused in her body, making him very unique. Duke was just a troubled guy, who died and lost his aether. There's still no reason to believe Duke is needed to gaurd anything or that he'd be the one chosen even if there was.
I think Croatoan and Vince have a handle on everything. If they need help, they can seek it from the most powerful being out there, Audrey/Paige, or even go back to their world and bring back reinforcements. They don't need to resurrent anyone to help them out. Even if they did, Charlotte, Dave, Jennifer and anyone from their world, would be better choices. Duke would rather move on with Jennifer than be brought back to serve an eternity as a sentry. THAT would be a better ending for him, if you believe in ghosts and the afterlife and knowing the kind of free spirit he was. Right?
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drippan-1
9 years ago
Like Duke said "The Crockers have been absorbing Troubles for a long time". Add in the fact we don't know what Troubles were absorbed before the journal was started. The last thing to consider is the curse put on the Crockers by Croatoan. Though Croatoan made the Trouble to absorb the Troubles, we don't know the total effect it had especially since Mara changed him.
All I'm saying is that bringing Duke back would super easy. Hell, Nathan died twice and came back.
Though I would like to see the series continue, it's not vital for me. They answered the 2 questions that needed to be answered: Who killed the Colorado Kid & How to end the Troubles. The love, friendship, anger, etc etc throughout the series were all ways there to help get those two things accomplished. They did it...
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Pam_I_am
9 years ago
Right. I have no need to see more. It ended in a way that was pretty much where many people thought it would end, so not much left on this board to even talk about. (Yet here I am!) People were satisfied "enough" to move on.
By the way, a number of fans have pointed out an interesting fact. When Duke died, he died with an all new trouble that Audrey re-created in 4.13, after he'd lost his original one by killing his brother. Croatoan's "original recipe" was lost.
That brings up a very good point made by others. How was Croatoan even able to work with that trouble, when we know the "intent" it was created under was most certainly not the same as Croatoan's original plan. A huge continuity and logic based problem that would make it nearly impossible to have worked for Croatoan the way he intended. He didn't even mention that it had been tweeked. Mara only added the bomb weirdness to Audrey's handiwork, so after Duke blew up, he was left with Audrey's version, which she couldn't have duplicated exactly the same way her dad had made it, as she didn't know his ultimate plan and future use.
Oh well, there were so many other flaws that this one doesn't mean a lot on its own. I'm kind of glad it's done and they left it where they did. There's just enough hope left to leave feelings of contentment, in most areas. Some will never feel that way, but it was at least a true ending.
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drippan-1
9 years ago
That's exactly what I meant. Duke Crocker was tweaked then retreated then altered. It was because of all this that Croatoan couldn't maintain the hold on him. Duke's attitude of "I'm nobody's bitch" was added to the trouble when Audrey Troubled him.
That all said, there is a major setup for another series, if they want too. We don't know what could happen to all of Audrey's decedent's with aether blood or what about the 2 rings that are in our world or the 1 ring in the other world?.
As far as Haven, the series, it's over except for us diehards who love talking about the series.
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T_Duckett
9 years ago
Watching it, I really thought Duke was a ghost. And while it was super-frustrating that only Dwight could see him (poor Nathan!) and that was never explained, I feel like he must have been something more than a simple figment of Dwight's imagination, because he had information that Dwight didn't have, like telling Nathan to get up to the old armoury.
And I really want him to be a ghost, so that after we last see him and he fades away, he goes to wherever Jennifer is and they play Pooh Sticks together forever because Duke just really deserves something nice at this point.
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Pam_I_am
9 years ago
I feel like he must have been something more than a simple figment of Dwight's imagination, because he had information that Dwight didn't have, like telling Nathan to get up to the old armoury.
But Dwight had just left Audrey and Croatoan at the old armory. Duke never had that information at all, only Dwight did. Croatoan had just tossed Dwight into the lake after Dwight, Vince and Audrey tried to barn Croatoan in the Armory, which Dwight chose, because he was told to find a strong structure.
The thing is, since it was one of the show's writers who suggested he might be a figment of Dwight's imagination, it must be a possibility. Dwight imagined him for some reason, like he could hold onto a make believe daughter, by just keeping his faith in her being there. Plus, Duke was far closer to Nathan and Audrey, than Dwight, so why use Dwight as a go-between? Those three things lead me to believe he wasn't really there. Duke also didn't see it through, with Nathan being killed shortly afterwards and all that drama with the aether and Croatoan. I just don't think Duke would have left before he knew they were all safe.
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T_Duckett
9 years ago
Ah, that's true. I'm rewatching the season at the moment so my memory is a bit fuzzy.
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