Something I noticed while watching the trailer...
I realized just how lame Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street are compared to the Halloween franchise. It’s not even close folks.
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This trailer looks great but other than the original 1978 film, none of the Halloween sequels are anything special imo. If they were they probably wouldn't feel the need to retcon the franchise yet again. I've always felt the original Nightmare on Elm Street is tied with the original Halloween for awesomeness but if I was to sit and binge one of the franchises it would probably be Friday the 13th. For some reason those sequels have always had the most rewatchability to me.
sharethe fatal flaw with aNoES is the the booby traps that heather langenkamp creates in like 15min to try and kill Freddy,
*eye roll*
Which horror sequels in general do you think are “anything special”? It’s a pretty tall order to live up to the original but Halloween 2 definitely gets listed among the best horror sequels lists that float around the internet.
shareI agree Halloween 2 is a pretty good sequel (not sure I'd quite call it special but better than most horror sequels). But after part 2, of the 8 Halloween films that followed none really did much for me (the only two I truly disliked were Resurrection and Rob Zombie's Halloween 2, but the others just all felt kinda flat but watchable). I also always thought it was pretty cheap to bring back Loomis with rather mild burn scarring basically negating his heroic sacrifice at the end of part 2.
So when you say the Friday the 13th and NoES franchises don't come close to the Halloween franchise it's something i disagree with. While none of them may be great movies, the first 8 Friday films to me are more enjoyable overall as a group than the first 8 Halloween films (yes the original Halloween can't be touched by any of the Friday films, but it takes more than one great film to set a franchise apart from others in the genre).
As for "special" horror sequels...few and far between. Evil Dead 2, but even this was realistically a remake of the first instead of a traditional sequel. I actually thought Psycho 2 (and 3) were better than they had any right being considering they were following an absolute masterpiece. NoES 3: Dream Warriors was above average in my opinion as well. Modern day horrors I would say both Sinister 2 and The Conjuring 2 were surprisingly good. Truthfully I'm not sure I'd call any of these films special, but I'd recommend them to horror fans for sure.
How about you, any horror sequels other than Halloween 2 that you give a thumbs up to?
Phantasm 2 is one of my favorite horror movies of all time and Saw 2 is a guilty pleasure of mine. Candyman: Farewell to the flesh is another movie I watch at least once a year and enjoy.
As for the rest of the Halloween franchise, I think H20 has aged quite well and doesn’t get enough credit for its effective suspense. Halloween 4 and H6 the producers Cut are solid entrees that have high repeat value. I’ve always found Michael Myers to be far more interesting than Jason or Freddy.
The lore behind Halloween and the recurring characters as well as having a 5 Star character like Dr Loomis make Halloween stand out from the other franchises. It’s also slightly more classy than the average slasher movie, which is probably why it has more mainstream appeal I guess.
Good call on Saw 2, really enjoyed that and managed to get me with its twist.
I was way more into Freddy and Jason than Michael Myers but perhaps that's because when I was getting into horror movies during my formative adolescent years in the mid 80s, those two franchises were cranking out sequels while Michael Myers was on a 7 year hiatus between parts 2 and 4.
Embarrassed to say I haven't seen Phantasm 2, I will have to check it out.
I agree. The original to any franchise is usually pretty good. The sequels are usually just about body count. And if our killer is armed only with a butcher knife (or a machete) for 8 or 9 movies in a row, that can get really repetitive really quick. I think the retcon for Halloween is genius. It skirts right past all the CRAP of the last 40 years [spoiler] and Laurie's wimpy death in H Resurrection[/spoiler], completely disregards it and gives Laurie Strohde just the mulligan she needs to cap this whole thing off in one HELL of a final.battle.
I'm gonna be pissed if they don't both end up dead. If Laurie doesn't kill him off and die an honorable, heroic death, there's a chance someone will try to pick this up again. I'm loving this, but for god's sake, END it.
It's such a ballsy move to retcon it a second time (since H2O basically retconned it as if 4,5 and 6 didn't happen) but I have to admit this trailer looks damn good and I'm pretty excited about it.
shareI was curious but not sure, so I checked. Yeah H20 retconned the franchise, but h20 wasn't John Carpenter, it was Steve Miner. The retcon here is by Carpenter himself.
I'm excited too.
what an ignorant post,
Halloween franchise is the one that has busta rhymes in it....and josh hartnett FFS!!
Josh Hartnett is an underrated actor, he should come back to the Halloween franchise some day.
shareFirst thing I ever saw him in was The Faculty which in itself was an underrated horror flick. Not super scary but it had its creepy moments and just plain fun!
sharejosh hartnett was good until he did a gay homo scene in the TV show "penny dreadful,"
he has been an enemy of mine ever since then
How ironic you should say that. H20 and Resurrection are both ignorant entries to the franchise. That's no reflection on Busta Rhymes OR Josh Hartnett. They're great but that doesn't mean the movies are good. The movies SUCK.
sharewhat is your point then bro?
all of the "big baddy" horror franchises have shitty entries and it's ludicrous to claim that one is lame compared to others
I like how you lump H20 and Ressurection together as if they’re the same quality....pfffff H20 is so much better it’s not even funny.
shareLol what about the trailer made you realize this op?
I've always felt that Friday the 13th is the dumb jock of the major slasher franchises, but of the bunch it's the one that improves for being a long series rather than degrades, as the original isn't very good. It never gets to the level of Halloween or ANOES but it does get more interesting in subsequent episodes.
There are two great Halloween movies and maybe three or four good-to-great ANOES flicks imho, but the originals are each amazing in very different ways that I couldn't pit against one another. Neither of them needed to be a series. Watching the later sequels, in both cases I can't help but think that there are a lot of fans who could have come up with better ideas. ANOES is inherently more imaginative and the sequels have plenty of creative, weird imagery and atmosfear and silliness, while H4 and onward plod dully in half-conceived loops forever.
In a way I *kind of* like the somnambulent, repetitive, soupy neverending dream the Halloween series taken as a whole becomes in the memory, like the movies themselves are killed and then come back to life a little more unconscious each time, carrying out its blind program, and you're stuck there forever.... but it also sucks considering the massive resources that go into making and releasing a film that they couldn't have been more interesting.
ANOES seems to lend itself to exploring infinite possibilities, and there's a lot of fun and cool stuff in the sequels, but I always feel like what I can imagine is more interesting than what they showed us. That said, the disappointment does kind of set up and encourage me to imagine other possibilities for that world and I enjoy that.
Franchises are a bummer tbh.
Halloween doesn’t fall for the “let’s make this more interesting” pitfall that other Horror franchises always do...it’s a simple plot and is more effective because of its minimalism and realism...I don’t need a bunch of creative dream sequences..I just need Michael Myers stalking his victims with a butcher knife.
shareI don't think anyone is going to agree with you here. The first film is the best of the three franchises but the sequels cannot even compete.
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