What ultimately does this accomplish?
America is evil, we should repent, let's all leave the country. Oh and all the Isrealis should find another home too right?
shareAmerica is evil, we should repent, let's all leave the country. Oh and all the Isrealis should find another home too right?
shareWe should learn from our mistakes rather than repeat them as we do. We wont, because the public is not well enough informed, nor engaged.
This achieves a little in trying to inform and engage. It's better than nothing, which is what most everything else on TV accomplishes.
"That's what a gym teacher once told me."
What was really creepy about the series was that the same propaganda spouted by USA politicians over a half century ago is still being spouted. Policies that led us into WWII, Korea, and Vietnam are the same ones that led us into overseas combat zones since the Gulf War. It just goes on and on. The same manipulation that cheated Henry Wallace out of office is the same tricksterism that forced W. Bush into office.
"America needs a permanent war economy."
_______________________________________
"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED??!!"
Maximus Decimus Meridius
This documentary shows us that we are doomed to repeat our mistakes as history repeats itself over and over again. Even though, ironically, Stone thinks we still have a chance not to. He seems to think we should be more enlightened not to follow the same path as those before us in history but I would say his documentary shows us the exact opposite and that that there's a high percentage we will follow the same path as those before us.
The pattern of one group of humans dominating another will set to continue. China will be the next focus for the U.S., as Stone illustrated. The U.S. has military bases all over the world and will look to check any aggression as they continue to dominate.
The fact that this documentary is about the U.S. is largely irrelevant. In the past it was the British, the European powers, the Mongols, the Romans, the Persians, the Babylonians, the Egyptians, who dominated the world. It's just so happens that at this moment in time/history the U.S. has the 'baton'.
In the end it seems humans are incapable of lasting peace, fairness ect and that one group has to dominate another. There's always conflict. It's been happening since the dawn of civilization and will continue into the future. Those calling for peace JFK, MLK, ect.. get shut down by the aggressors who perceive them as weak.
The idea of a utopia where poverty, war, sickness is irradiated and that everyone in the world is free and happy will never happen. If anything it's going to get worse. Sure, humans are living longer but the gap between the poor and rich is ever widening and will continue to do so under the capitalist system we have in place.
It used to be for every winner there has to be a loser but now it seem for every winner there are 900 losers. The top 1% of the population has the same wealth as the bottom 90%, just like the class structure of the past with Kings at the top and the peasants at the bottom. It's inevitable that there will be a breaking point, the govt will crack down and the police state will take over.
Even if there is a revolution were doomed to repeat the same pattern by installing a well-meaning democratic leader. The democratic system is merely a ruse, an illusion to pacify the masses as the elites retain the real power. It's happened so many times in the past, why shouldn't it happen again?
In the end it's the elites that dominate the masses and that's it. It's not even about the U.S. against the rest of the world. The elites see the general masses of the U.S population just like the rest of the worlds poor. Cattle that need to be controlled.
Were doomed to repeat this pattern of existence.
That's not what the documentary was trying to say at all.....
I think the main point of the documentary was to examine past mistakes in the hope that we don't make those same mistakes in the future.
I was shocked at how antagonistic U.S. leaders were to the Russians after WWII and how they'd sold their sold to combat communism.
You live your life with the storms outside
Learn from past mistakes? Then why the hell are liberals re-igniting the race war? We beat racism for a reason. Now libtard pussies have learned they can use it to their political advantage. Clearly they didn't learn from history that racism is destructive.
shareRacism was NEVER beaten or eradicated EVER. It just went underground and changed its spots. Laws may have been passed, and some repealed, but the general public only learned to hide their most blatant forms of racism. The subtle forms of racism have remained firmly in place since the end of the Civil Rights era. All politicians still use "race" to manipulate the public in one way or another. The only "tards" are the ones who think that racism was ever done away with. I see it every day.
_______________________________________
"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED??!!"
Maximus Decimus Meridius
Racism was NEVER beaten or eradicated EVER. It just went underground and changed its spots. Laws may have been passed, and some repealed, but the general public only learned to hide their most blatant forms of racism. The subtle forms of racism have remained firmly in place since the end of the Civil Rights era. All politicians still use "race" to manipulate the public in one way or another. The only "tards" are the ones who think that racism was ever done away with. I see it every day.
amen about libtards
shareThe OP made a very simplistic, Limbaugh like interpretation. I think what this documentary accomplishes is to challenge the conventional wisdom about America's role in the cold war.
Stone narrates the entire movie, there's no questioning that it's HIS perspective on history and you don't need to agree with his slant on things. But, it's refreshing because the cold war has been so overwhelmingly portrayed as U.S. Good/Russia Bad, and even if you disagree with most of what Stone says, it's clear that the U.S. did play a signifcant role in ramping up the conflict, prolonging it, and interfering in proxy countries and slaughtering millions of people in them.
IMO, Stone does overdo it looking for positive slants on the other side (like it's admirable that Stalin had the Russian army stop mass raping Germans when they got bad press), but although their society was repressive, we ended up killing more civilians in places like Vietnam/Guatemala/Greece than they did in proxy countries. When the Soviets sought to de-escalate the cold war multiple times, we had reactionary figures that rebuffed them.
That's worth thinking about, even if you feel Stone is one sided about it. And, if it really pisses you off that this is just America bashing, it means that you've been successfully propogandized by the prevailing view.
"Boy that was really exciting. I bet you're a big Lee Marvin fan aren't ya."
at's worth thinking about, even if you feel Stone is one sided about it. And, if it really pisses you off that this is just America bashing, it means that you've been successfully propogandized by the prevailing view.
Um no, I'm oviously pissed because I am not swayed by libtards decreeing the US is the great evil in the world. Sounds like you agree so maybe you are the brainwashed one.
I don't even remember Stone mentioning Israel in this series but once or twice. Could be wrong but I just don't remember it. Anyway, last I checked, white people still live in South Africa though apartheid is gone. No one ever said that Jews have to leave Palestine once apartheid disappears from there either. Jews have always lived there and will always live there. All the major Palestinian factions, from the communist PFLP to the "centrist" Fatah to Islamist Hamas all say that Jews can still live in Palestine after freedom is achieved there. They just can't rule over and oppress Palestinians under a racist apartheid occupation state.
You completely missed the point anyway. The point of this series was to highlight historical facts that have always been left out or minimized by propaganda, not to say everyone in the US is "evil". You're conflating the people with the system. The American people are as much victims of the US system as everyone else is. Stone was saying the system has a serious problem and needs to be changed by the people.
"The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history."
Mao
Look up Stone's views on Israel, it is all related. He thinks the US colluded with the nazis. Oh he doesn't? I used to have a best friend who did resarch for the Stone on this very topic. To him America and Israel are evil, and somehow he is excempt from being evil though he killed people in vietnam and lives in America. So if you agree with him, we are evil and started ww2 and are responsible for all the wars I suppose. And wake up there is no Palestine I don't care what the arabs say. So I don't give a *beep* if they say Jews can live there, they have no authority or claim to the land. Do some more research Israel is a big part of his rhetoric.
sharekeep goosestepping to your apple pie Jo, the military and rich elite need drones like you
share