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That lady at the start of the episode was just arrogant as hell


First off, i am asian, and young. The only reason i want to point that out, is because the asian store clerk at the start of episode 3, felt the need to point that out, along with the fact that shes young, and Louie only wanted to talk to her to stroke his ego.

That just comes off as arrogant as hell to me. Especially when people think their minority makes them special and that people only want to talk to them just for a kick. To me anyway, my guess was that Louie was A.) Either actually interested in the pots, or B) Just wanted to interact with a young girl.

Its probably B imo, and i hated her arrogant presumption that its because of her race. Her whole rant about owning her own store at the age of 25, and that the young are the future and being disrespectful to older people just irked me the wrong way. She probably inherited that damn store, or was born into money. And if she knew anything about asian culture, she would know that its pretty ingrained into our culture that we respect our elders and older generation a lot, especially if they helped pave the way for us.

And please, the pollution crap that she's blaming Louie's generation for, our generation is still contributing to it. She fails to realise they were also the generation that gave us technology, and a lot of the luxuries we have today.

Ugh, maybe its just me, but she really pissed me off, haha and i know its supposed to be funny. Is it really just me that got annoyed?
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I disagree with a lot of what you said.

First, I think she referred to herself as a young Asian girl simply as a way of saying she is attractive and exotic to someone like Louie, which she is; tell me you've watched all 4+ seasons of Louie and don't think he's the type of guy to be interested in a young, pretty Asian store owner. He is. She says he wants her to "stroke his ego" because that's exactly what he wants; he's seeking credit for showing interest in expensive pots when her whole business is selling top of the line gear to professional cooks, people way above Louie's level.

Second, inherited the store, born into money? These are 100 percent guesses and have nothing to do with the show, just your personal thoughts and ideas. They seem opposed to the subjects Louie was discussing.

As for respecting elders in the Asian culture, again, I don't think her mentioning her Asian heritage was "playing the race card" or drawing particular attention to her origins, she just meant Louie was into her for her (specific) looks and wanted to interact with her on a superficial level, and he used a semi-faux interest in the pots as a legitimate way of getting to talk to her. And again, this fits very much with what we've seen of Louie over the course of the series.

As for blaming other generations for pollution and taking their technology for granted, that can be said throughout history. No one likes their parents music, and everyone complains about hair spray while drinking bottled water. The past few generations have accomplished A TON and also *beep* up a lot of the environment. Both facts are obviously true, and to deny either one is dumb.

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Well, i did say that i did think it was probably option B, which was he was interested in a young girl.

And yes most of what you say is true, about inheritance being guesses. Still doesnt change the fact she mentioned it in a smug manner like it was a dick measuring contest. And yea, while we do know Louie does stuff like this, it still does not change the fact, she didnt know him, and she was still being condescending, and snotty throughout. She was making the assumption that being of Asian heritage, that immediately makes her exotic and special, and that older guys only want to talk to her because of that.

That in itself, is too an assumption. And we've seen how impulsive Louie can actually be. He could just be dumb enough to buy the pots on a whim. The fact that she would throw away any opportunity to make a sale just because of her arrogant attitude, cant be denied.

I agree that past generations "accomplished A TON and also *beep* up a lot of the environment". But to bring that up just to belittle a customer? Yeah thats just straight up elitist and bitchy. It was just all so annoying.

And i watched the scene again, Louie was only looking at the Pots and not at her as he was asking for help. So this wasnt a case where he just wanted to talk to some young girl. Its was clear to me he wanted to actually know more about the pots.

EDIT: but anyway, i should probably expect scenes like this in Louie lol, instead of getting so worked up. I think the point Louie wanted to make was the generation gap. I just got frustrated because she made her minority a thing.
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Huh, Louie is the type of guy ... or portrays himself to be the type of guy that would be interested in anything female with a pulse. Ha ... thanks for a good laugh.


It is Louie that is the jerk here ... or ought to be for the audience, because he has enough money to pay $1000 for a set of pans ... and believe me if I am paying that kind of money I'd be out of that store so fast if the loser owner refused to wait on me. That is still and business.

She is probably bankrolled by Chinese money, based on slave labor anyway.










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Whoa, that last sentence of yours came out of left field...

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Why do you say that, and what do you mean by it?
Do you know any Chinese people?
Do you know then enough to understand family dynamics?
Do you understand the Chinese who come to the US to do business
and how they work and interact with Americans?

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I tried not to get too annoyed with that because I know Louie exaggerates the conflicts for the show. I hate that he turned it the way he did, cause it didn't change anything. I was more annoyed that he gave into her crap.

But that girl was beyond annoying, she needed a slap in the mouth. And she was wrong about basically everything she said. Just an entitled girl who think she is smarter because she is younger and "owns" a store. I'm 25 and I hated her and her ignorance.

Would you like to see my pride and joy?

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I like your point about the inheritance, and I thought of the same possibility after the fact. Anyway, i too was wondering why she even brought up her being Asian, and the best I could do was that since Chinese is one of the 3 great cuisines, Louie thought that she could improve his cooking ha. Im Italian and people expect me to know good food.

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“The 3 great cuisines”?

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Ya man, French, Italian, and Chinese.

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I hadn't heard it put quite that way either. Of course they are all great cuisines. But would the great chefs of the world consider that Indian cuisine (to name just one) is of lesser stature? To me it seems like a whole other culinary world, worthy of great respect.

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Who came up with that list? Iron Chef? I’m sure Mexicans didn’t make it up.

And are all these “cuisines” differentiated somehow? Is “Chinese” like every cuisine from China, or do they mean specifically “Cantonese” (for example) and just call it generically “Chinese”?

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Haha yea at a point i was wondering if it was because she was going to bring up that he was just interested in Asian food, and if he was making the wild racist assumption that all Asian people would know how to cook asian dishes.

Alas that never happened tho.

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My subjective response was confusion.

(And I say that understanding the surreal and subjective [Louie’s perspective] tone of the show.)

I actually had no idea what she was talking about saying he wanted to talk to a young “Asian” woman to stroke his ego. I took it more at face value: He was kind of interested in the pots—and perhaps wanting to appear as someone who appreciated fancy pots was stroking his ego or, put more kindly, to reaffirm his self identification as someone who has some sense of good stuff. But then the owner/clerk was a bitch and he felt compelled to tell her that. He was speaking to her because she was there and he needed to speak to the worker who was there. Really, her age and her phenotype really didn’t cross my mind.

But again, that is my subjective response--it’s what I would have done. I am a guy who loves women, but in that situation I couldn’t give a crap who the bitchy employee was, especially when her personality made her so “unattractive.” I can interact with young women in a lot of places; in a store when I’m pissed off is not the place that comes to mind.

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I didn't even get that part. Did she actually refuse to make profit, because her client was an old guy?! It seemed like another half-baked scene where Louie is being portrayed as a total loser for no rational reason. They really need to tone these down.

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Louie wanted her to take down a whole set of iron cooking pots to "look at." He thought he was cool looking at really nice pots like that.

This lady was closing her store and did not feel like taking all those pots out even if Louie was going to buy them, because she would never see him again, he's not a top of the line cook who is going to become a repeat customer.

So yes, she's super rude, but the scene makes sense.

And also, isn't Louie still in the struggling portion of his career? He does not have $2K to spend on pots. He was BSing her to flirt and she knew it.

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They were copper posts, and he didn't want her to take anything down, all she had to do was unlock them. She had no idea who Louie was, what his profession or cooking experience level was, or whether or not he would become a repeat customer. She made a lot of assumptions based on his looks and treated him like he was nothing from the moment he tried to get her attention.

And no, his character isn't struggling professionally or financially. What gave you that idea?

You saw Dingleberries?

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He does not have $2K to spend on pots. He was BSing her to flirt and she knew it.


This is a hilariously bizarre assumption. He was probably going to buy them, and she lost his business by being a bitch.

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Shes young, she knows nothing


There we were, minding our own business, when kids started killing themselves all over my property.

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She's just a giant a-hole. The first time Louie tried to ask her a question you could tell that she's an arrogant a-hole from her dismissive attitude. Then when she finally answered Louie she mentioned "very professional grade" first before telling him the more "acceptable" reason why she wouldn't able to help him (she needed a key to unlock the item and she was about to close). She made a lot of assumptions about Louie. He could've been a world class chef as far as she's concerned. Also, What if he's just an idiot who didn't know anything about cooking? Do you really need a license or something to buy that thing? I doubt it.

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Come on, you are Asian and you cannot dig a little deeper here?

I assume you are not Chinese Asian because if you were I think you might have had
a slightly different perspective.

Chinese people are going to be the new Nazis is my prediction. I hope I'll be gone
by the time it happens.

She says she's successful because she has her own store in Manhattan, but look
the reality of someone like her and she is most likely being bankrolled by Chinese
money, nothing she merited in her own business or did on her own ... clear by looking
at the way she runs her store.












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Yes i am Asian and Chinese. Are you responding to me? Because i did make a guess that she inherited the store and didnt build it from the ground up. And i didnt agree with what she said or her demeanor.

But man, saying Chinese people are going to be the new Nazis? Er...ok...Other than being extremely offensive i have no idea why would you say that.

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>> Because i did make a guess that she inherited the store and didnt build it from the ground up.

I either got them when I wrote the post or missed it. But I do not recall your unpacking the meaning
of that in regard to what light it puts her in.

I guess there is no way to say Nazi that is not taken as an insult, and probably rightly so, using the
reality of the Nazis as a metaphor for some contemporary abstract concept could certainly be
regarded as being offensive, and the attitude can be stuck to with unquestionable sincerity.

So ... I'll just say I did not mean it in an offensive way, to your personally or even to Chinese people.
Any of us know that there can be made generalizations about any member of any culture that are
true enough of the time to make it to stereotype level - and it is just a fraction of whatever population,
often distorted and an opportunity for misunderstanding.

But, for me, I was speaking in the context of what seems to be a mindset of You-Tube particpants
that only the US gets criticism. I think China, and Chinese residents of the West get a pass on how
racist a LOT of Chinese are because they are not the dominant culture.

You could choose to get offended over that as well probably.


Oh, in other words this fact that this woman was Chinese, in the show, played a kind of squirrelly
context for the whole set ... because if the context was young and old, why was it really playing
Chinese v. White ... even as opposed to White v. Chinese. The storeowner could have been an
American if it was about young and old.

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I think he just wanted some pots.

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Yeah, he wanted to look at some pots and wanted to buy some and she was to snotty to help him because he wasn't in her store's demographic. It wasn't about her being an Asian or him seeing her as a stereotype. I felt it was about how many people in the service industry refusing to see their customers as human beings. She was unnecessarily bitchy.

But her demeanor is like that of someone that either had help or gt an inheritance; very entitled. Most people of any age that worked hard and struggled for their business often have a more grateful attitude towards the people that are willing to give them money. They wouldn't take on a "I don't need you money" attitude with customers.

The only think I didn't like about the scene was that Louie, a comedian, didn't have a great comeback to knock her down a notch. He's been to docile and nice. I want the a$$hole Louie from the first and second season to make a comeback.

I hated her so much. That means she did her job well. Good actress. Lol

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